Did Anyone Watch American Sniper Yet?

Elias

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Is it worth all the hoopla that is surrounding it? Apparently it had the best opening for a movie released in January ever. Surpassed Avatar in revenues.

Let me know if it's worth going to the theater or just waiting for it to hit On Demand.

I hate going to the theater these days unless it's a really good movie.
 

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Is it worth all the hoopla that is surrounding it? Apparently it had the best opening for a movie released in January ever. Surpassed Avatar in revenues.

Let me know if it's worth going to the theater or just waiting for it to hit On Demand.

I hate going to the theater these days unless it's a really good movie.

I heard it was good and it's nominated for a bunch of awards but it's causing a lot of controversy: http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/american-sniper-decried-as-propaganda-by-some-praised-as-veterans-paean-by-others/2015/01/20/b2d597d0-a0bf-11e4-9f89-561284a573f8_story.html

I leave you with this from the article:

Sarah Palin wrote on Facebook: “God bless our troops, especially our snipers.”
 
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I saw it. You can download the torrent on Kickass.to (great quality). It was great in my opinion, controversy or not. BUT as for "Movie of The Year"...I'd say that goes to Fury. That's probably one of the best movies I've ever seen. Based on everything.
 

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I saw it. You can download the torrent on Kickass.to (great quality). It was great in my opinion, controversy or not. BUT as for "Movie of The Year"...I'd say that goes to Fury. That's probably one of the best movies I've ever seen. Based on everything.

Just saw American Sniper. Bored on a snow day, couldn't think of much else to do so my friends and I went to watch it. I thought it was great. Idk about movie of the year bc I probably see maybe 5 movies a year and they are usually the dumb Seth Rogen, Will Farrell movies and those are never in contention for movie of the year. I have to check out Fury. I actually haven't even heard of it.....

Back to American Sniper. Idk what to tell those people saying that this movie is American propaganda. Not once did I feel like the movie was propaganda. There was a few times where they called the middle eastern people "savages" but that was spoken when in the point of view of the soldiers. If the movie had a purpose, it was to show the difficulties of being a soldier in today's wars. The war today is traumatizing and a psychological mindfuck, you don't know who the enemy is. It could be a child, a woman, or someone that just invited you over for dinner. This movie shows you that side of war. Those lucky coming back from Iraq physically in tact are probably psychologically ruined.

The main point of this movie is two things in my opinion:

1. fanaticism. That doesn't just exist in the Islamist extremists but in Americans.
2. war is fucked up.

It's a good movie. It got me thinking. Don't want to spoil it for anyone else so I didn't get into specifics.
 

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Did Anyone Watch American Sniper Yet?

Just saw American Sniper. Bored on a snow day, couldn't think of much else to do so my friends and I went to watch it. I thought it was great. Idk about movie of the year bc I probably see maybe 5 movies a year and they are usually the dumb Seth Rogen, Will Farrell movies and those are never in contention for movie of the year. I have to check out Fury. I actually haven't even heard of it.....

Back to American Sniper. Idk what to tell those people saying that this movie is American propaganda. Not once did I feel like the movie was propaganda. There was a few times where they called the middle eastern people "savages" but that was spoken when in the point of view of the soldiers. If the movie had a purpose, it was to show the difficulties of being a soldier in today's wars. The war today is traumatizing and a psychological mindfuck, you don't know who the enemy is. It could be a child, a woman, or someone that just invited you over for dinner. This movie shows you that side of war. Those lucky coming back from Iraq physically in tact are probably psychologically ruined.

The main point of this movie is two things in my opinion:

1. fanaticism. That doesn't just exist in the Islamist extremists but in Americans.
2. war is fucked up.

It's a good movie. It got me thinking. Don't want to spoil it for anyone else so I didn't get into specifics.

I too finally got a chance to watch American Sniper and although there were certain aspects of it that could have been construed as American propaganda, I don't think that was the film maker's overall intention. I definitely would not say that the movie was controversial in any way and while I did think that it was a good movie, it should not by any means be categorized as the best movie of the year. I think that Clint Eastwood did a great job directing the film and Bradley Cooper was phenomenal in the lead role but I did have some gripes about the movie.

First off, while I agree with Elias's point about fanaticism in both the Islamic terrorists and the Americans, the movie subtly references both the Christian and Islamic religions with the latter being touted as the malevolent religion. Several times throughout the movie does the character of Chris Kyle make references to the Christian God in his attempts to rationalize his actions during the war. The opposing viewpoint however is rarely mentioned. The only time the Islamic religion was when Bradley Cooper's character feigned ignorance over the Quran. Personally, I think that religion in general, especially a fanatical belief in any God is detrimental to society. I mean, all anyone has to do is flip through a history book to see that, but most Americans are blinded by what the media spews at them.

The second point of contention that I had with the film was this underlying notion that to be an honorable solider, one mustn't have doubts serving in a war or about war in general. I can't really delve more into this because I'd be spoiling an important part of the movie but it really irked me that in a country where people are allowed to express freely their beliefs and congregate to protest their government, are you really not allowed to question war? Especially if you are serving in the armed forces in times of war? I don't know how I feel about that notion.

Aside from those two issues I had with the movie, I do recommend that you watch it. It really does show how messed up war can be and the psychological toll it takes on soldiers.
 

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The belief that to be good at something you have to believe in it has been around for ages and I completely agree wit it. You'll never be good at something once you lose faith. That was the point that the Chris Kyle was making and I agree with him. Once you lose faith it's hard to move ahead with the same purpose.

Chris Kyle never lost his purpose and as a result when on to do big things for our military, ultimately being named the "legend" for his military prowess. The others were not dedicated at all and only wanted to survive.
 
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You want my opinion? I just saw it Sunday.
Clint Eastwood is a brilliant director.
But.... There are 2 sides to this story. The PTSD was touched upon, but not driven home. This movie really could've been an advocate for the vets. Clint missed the mark by not hitting that side of Chris Kyle's struggle and what lead to his untimely death here on American soil.
The Iraqi coverage was intense and real, but, the true story was about a family man who suffered from PTSD, overcame it and helped others.
The movie was good, but I felt that all points were too thinly layered. I could've made this move 4 hours to do it right.
Bradley Cooper and Sienna Miller nailed their roles. So, acting was sot on.
Any other questions? The great and powerful Jetfolife has spoken.
 

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You want my opinion? I just saw it Sunday.
Clint Eastwood is a brilliant director.
But.... There are 2 sides to this story. The PTSD was touched upon, but not driven home. This movie really could've been an advocate for the vets. Clint missed the mark by not hitting that side of Chris Kyle's struggle and what lead to his untimely death here on American soil.
The Iraqi coverage was intense and real, but, the true story was about a family man who suffered from PTSD, overcame it and helped others.
The movie was good, but I felt that all points were too thinly layered. I could've made this move 4 hours to do it right.
Bradley Cooper and Sienna Miller nailed their roles. So, acting was sot on.
Any other questions? The great and powerful Jetfolife has spoken.

I feel that they did touch on PTSD a good deal. The wife mentioned how he's Not the same, the other vets that he saw told him about those that made it back unscathed but are still messed up mentally. But now that I think about it, not exactly sure what point Eastwood tried driving home, was it the ptsd or about the dangers the troops face at war.
 

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The belief that to be good at something you have to believe in it has been around for ages and I completely agree wit it. You'll never be good at something once you lose faith. That was the point that the Chris Kyle was making and I agree with him. Once you lose faith it's hard to move ahead with the same purpose.

Chris Kyle never lost his purpose and as a result when on to do big things for our military, ultimately being named the "legend" for his military prowess. The others were not dedicated at all and only wanted to survive.

I don't think it was necessarily him losing faith in himself, but more about questioning the point of the war.

In times of war, there's this idea that speaking out against the war is equated with being un-American.

If you're a soldier who doesn't agree with the reasons why their country is at war then you're viewed even worse which is a point that I felt the movie captured.


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[TWEET]<blockquoteclass="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Today is officially Chris Kyle Day in Texas. I will issue the formal Proclamation from the Governor's Office at noon. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/trot?src=hash">#trot</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisKyleFrog">@ChrisKyleFrog</a></p>— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) <a href="https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/562222727373680640">February 2, 2015</a></blockquote> <script asyncsrc="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]

Governor of Texas just declared today as Chris Kyle day.
 
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Just saw American Sniper. Bored on a snow day, couldn't think of much else to do so my friends and I went to watch it. I thought it was great. Idk about movie of the year bc I probably see maybe 5 movies a year and they are usually the dumb Seth Rogen, Will Farrell movies and those are never in contention for movie of the year. I have to check out Fury. I actually haven't even heard of it.....

Back to American Sniper. Idk what to tell those people saying that this movie is American propaganda. Not once did I feel like the movie was propaganda. There was a few times where they called the middle eastern people "savages" but that was spoken when in the point of view of the soldiers. If the movie had a purpose, it was to show the difficulties of being a soldier in today's wars. The war today is traumatizing and a psychological mindfuck, you don't know who the enemy is. It could be a child, a woman, or someone that just invited you over for dinner. This movie shows you that side of war. Those lucky coming back from Iraq physically in tact are probably psychologically ruined.

The main point of this movie is two things in my opinion:

1. fanaticism. That doesn't just exist in the Islamist extremists but in Americans.
2. war is fucked up.

It's a good movie. It got me thinking. Don't want to spoil it for anyone else so I didn't get into specifics.

I appreciate your comments and think your points should be on the minds of others after watching this. Those local Islamists are being invaded and had no part in the 911 attacks. Heck, most of them were children when it happened. They are simply paid (and have no other means to support their families) to fight and if you asked them why there is conflict, they couldn't tell you.

As for fanaticism, this is a valuable tool to the warrior in battle. It keeps the edge of fear at a distance so it's instilled on either side of any battle in history for full effect.

And lastly, war sucks. All these kids dying for a cause no one can really define. It's been 14 years since those attacks were launched by those with no faces. All these soldiers on back-to-back tours with families being torn apart and facing futures with boundless PTSD cases. Why does no one speak out against this? Our own kids that survive this are being mentally and physically maimed for life.
I deployed to Afghanistan for two years as a civilian (2010-11) and I can tell you one thing for certain, neither side understands the reasons behind this war any longer. The Afghan people didn't launch 911 and now the fighting has spilled heavily into Pakistan (reason?).
Needless slaughter as our guys are wiping them out by the thousands with superior manpower, training, technology and strategy. This sniper glorifies the number of slaughtered enemy and how easy it is...like target practice at times. And all the while, very few at home support this war. Why does it continue?
 

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I appreciate your comments and think your points should be on the minds of others after watching this. Those local Islamists are being invaded and had no part in the 911 attacks. Heck, most of them were children when it happened. They are simply paid (and have no other means to support their families) to fight and if you asked them why there is conflict, they couldn't tell you.

As for fanaticism, this is a valuable tool to the warrior in battle. It keeps the edge of fear at a distance so it's instilled on either side of any battle in history for full effect.

And lastly, war sucks. All these kids dying for a cause no one can really define. It's been 14 years since those attacks were launched by those with no faces. All these soldiers on back-to-back tours with families being torn apart and facing futures with boundless PTSD cases. Why does no one speak out against this? Our own kids that survive this are being mentally and physically maimed for life.
I deployed to Afghanistan for two years as a civilian (2010-11) and I can tell you one thing for certain, neither side understands the reasons behind this war any longer. The Afghan people didn't launch 911 and now the fighting has spilled heavily into Pakistan (reason?).
Needless slaughter as our guys are wiping them out by the thousands with superior manpower, training, technology and strategy. This sniper glorifies the number of slaughtered enemy and how easy it is...like target practice at times. And all the while, very few at home support this war. Why does it continue?

Nice post. I agree. When will this thing end? How much longer can a battle be fought for no reason at all or reasons that no one knows.
 

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I too finally got a chance to watch American Sniper and although there were certain aspects of it that could have been construed as American propaganda, I don't think that was the film maker's overall intention. I definitely would not say that the movie was controversial in any way and while I did think that it was a good movie, it should not by any means be categorized as the best movie of the year. I think that Clint Eastwood did a great job directing the film and Bradley Cooper was phenomenal in the lead role but I did have some gripes about the movie.

First off, while I agree with Elias's point about fanaticism in both the Islamic terrorists and the Americans, the movie subtly references both the Christian and Islamic religions with the latter being touted as the malevolent religion. Several times throughout the movie does the character of Chris Kyle make references to the Christian God in his attempts to rationalize his actions during the war. The opposing viewpoint however is rarely mentioned. The only time the Islamic religion was when Bradley Cooper's character feigned ignorance over the Quran. Personally, I think that religion in general, especially a fanatical belief in any God is detrimental to society. I mean, all anyone has to do is flip through a history book to see that, but most Americans are blinded by what the media spews at them.

The second point of contention that I had with the film was this underlying notion that to be an honorable solider, one mustn't have doubts serving in a war or about war in general. I can't really delve more into this because I'd be spoiling an important part of the movie but it really irked me that in a country where people are allowed to express freely their beliefs and congregate to protest their government, are you really not allowed to question war? Especially if you are serving in the armed forces in times of war? I don't know how I feel about that notion.

Aside from those two issues I had with the movie, I do recommend that you watch it. It really does show how messed up war can be and the psychological toll it takes on soldiers.

I think the things you take issue with are more related to the fact that this isn't Clint Eastwood making a movie about Chris Kyle, its Clint Eastwood bringing Chris Kyle's autobiography to film. So to your first point, you're not going to get both sides of the story, and to your second point, that was Kyle's opinion - I haven't read the book, but I understand that is an accurate depiction of how Kyle felt. Supposedly the movie stayed pretty true to Kyle's overall attitude and thoughts, Taya Kyle said Cooper and Eastwood nailed the essence of Chris and the situation, though

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they did make up the hunt for the Syrian sniper (he was real, Kyle knew of him but wasn't involved in the hunting or killing of the guy). Typical Hollywood wanting a thread to weave through the story,as if we would need something more to believe he would want to go back, or we would miss the other common thread,the psychological toll it was taking on everyone in the family, and the irony of how he climbed out of that vs. how he died. The scene where he sees his brother on the tarmac was also not in the book, though I imagine Jeff Kyle must have felt that way, and maybe talked with Chris about it, or I can't see that getting in.

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Also wanted to point out that Chris Kyle and all soldiers are trained, consciously and subconsciously, to speak of the enemy as savages, to think of them as bad guys and less than human. I read an article that talked about how in WW2, when a soldier had a confirmed enemy lined up and ready to pull the trigger, they fired only 20% of the time. The US Military set about to improve this, to make the time between "aim" and "fire" an automatic, conditioned response. This dehumanization of the enemy was the main tool they employed - having them use words like savages, bad guys, animals, the constant chants using those terms and talking about the way they live in terms that equate it with savages and animals, etc. Firing rate was 55% in Korea, 95% in Vietnam - and mind you, in WW2 they were generally uniformed military, so there was little doubt, whereas Vietnam was more like what they're facing today.
 

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I think the things you take issue with are more related to the fact that this isn't Clint Eastwood making a movie about Chris Kyle, its Clint Eastwood bringing Chris Kyle's autobiography to film. So to your first point, you're not going to get both sides of the story, and to your second point, that was Kyle's opinion - I haven't read the book, but I understand that is an accurate depiction of how Kyle felt. Supposedly the movie stayed pretty true to Kyle's overall attitude and thoughts, Taya Kyle said Cooper and Eastwood nailed the essence of Chris and the situation, though.

I agree with both of these points and as an English teacher I know that biases and point of view can be skewed in autobiography BUT a lot of people in America, especially when it comes to war and the military, will take this movie to heart and won't question the authenticity of the situations depicted. Also, it's an unfortunate truth that readership in America has dramatically decreased and most Americans are unaware of the facts surrounding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is only made worse by the media.
 
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