Start Bridgewater or Darnold?

[jets82]

One thing I will say that is opposite of trading Teddy B is don’t do it unless Darnold is 100% the future and 100% ready now. We’ve waited for a FQB for so long and I don’t want to trade away one if the other isn’t going to be able to handle it. I’ve wanted Darnold for 2 years and want him to work out, but I don’t care who leads the Jets as long as it’s to a SB. We have the money to keep 2 QB’s, but we will lose Teddy for nothing. That’s another issue with Mac. He should have locked him up for two years. He is not a horrible GM, but he is not a good one either.

Very true. I’m good with either QB leading us just pick the right one and protect him so he can actually lead us to some real winning. Darnold isn’t going to be 100 percent as a rookie. I don’t think any QB rookie would but if they see him as 75 percent, then that should be good enough and he can learn as he goes.

 

[jets82]

Love Teddy, his story, his arm, his smarts. Perhaps his injury has made him a more intelligent QB like Aaron Rodgers, only take off if the defense leaves you a lane and then get down/OOB rather than challenging a LB/safety. If we knew what we know now I would have not traded up, taken the guard with the #1, and used the two #2s to fill some of the other holes. But we bet the farm on Darnold and it is what it is, we have to ride it to its logical conclusion. Which means trading Teddy (but NOT in our Division) and going with McCown/Darnold.

Bridgwater/Darnold makes no sense because Teddy could start for the next ten years in which case the Darnold pick will be totally wasted.

Agreed on all points. Jets had no idea Teddy would bounce back like this. If they did, I doubt they would have drafted Darnold at all. Bridgewater looks like he’s 100 percent back and maybe better. If he can stay healthy, he can play 10-15 more years at an excellent level. That’s the perfect example of a franchise QB. Jets have to find away to make this right and trade Bridgewater someplace where can start immediately and they can get as much as possible for him. Darnold won’t be as good as Bridgewater this year but with the right grooming he may end up being a lot better in the near future.

 

[jets82]

Bridgewater did look better than Darnold against the Skins. But Bridgewater played in the 2nd half. Wasn't he playing more against the 2'a while Darnold played more against the 1's?

This is true and Darnold didn’t look bad doing it. He looked very poised and in control of the field. Took the sacks he had to without fumbling and read the field well and threw to the open receivers. I think the Jets are handling Darnold to much with kid gloves and won’t open the playbook for him. He seems to be throwing 10-15 at most because that’s the routes they’re running. Open up the playbook abit and let the kid go deep a few times. Let’s see him throw further then 20 yards with the fire coming at, beside or behind him and let’s see how he does. The only way to know if he’s truly ready is to put them in more situations like that to see if he’s ready.

 

[jets82]

I'm hoping they open up the playbook and let Darnold loose in the 3rd game. Has he actually thrown a deep pass yet? All short check down plays and an occasional intermediate pass. You could see the difference between him and Teddy immediately when Teddy took the field.
Darnold has not played QB very long and still has a ways to go.
He is way behind Teddy and both are still behind McCown. Darnold has shown the tools, but has not really been given the reigns. Hopefully that happens soon.

The more responsibility they gave him by opening the play book the more they can tell whether not he’s ready. If he doesn’t start game three, he will probably play the rest of the game when to starter comes out, and of course he’ll play the entire fourth game if he isn’t going to be the starter. They are developing him very well but I think they’re handling him with kid gloves and need to open up the playbook a little bit more for him.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

When he wins a SB he can thank the Jets for giving him his second chance

Bridgewater will only delay the “on the job training” of the QB who will be here for the next 12-15 years. The Jets aren’t winning anything in 2018. So why keep Bridgewater? So we can lose him for no compensation in the offseason?

There are more reasons to trade TB than to keep him.

 

[jets82]

Bridgewater will only delay the “on the job training” of the QB who will be here for the next 12-15 years. The Jets aren’t winning anything in 2018. So why keep Bridgewater? So we can lose him for no compensation in the offseason?

There are more reasons to trade TB than to keep him.

Makes sense!!! I look at it like this, with Bridgewater they can win 7-9 games and the 9 is on the very high end. I mean like everything pretty much going right. No serious injuries and the oline blocking fairly well. This isn’t a slight against Bridgewater, it’s against the talent around him. With McCown it will be about the same. Probably more like 6-8 wins. With Darnold, they looking at a 5-7 season. Unless he progresses that fast and everything goes right. Then they’ll be about 7-9 also.

If my predictions are correct then you’re not losing that much starting Darnold and trading Bridgewater now to get the most you can. People may say that 9 wins is a winning season and possible playoff run, so play Bridgewater if that’s the case. True, but remember that’s on the very high end with everything going right. Chances of that are slim to none. Same with Darnold!!! So if 6-8 wins is about their ceiling with any QB, then play Darnold from game one and let the chips fall where they may. Darnold will learn a lot more on the field then on the sidelines.

 

[jetgreen13]

Bridgewater will only delay the “on the job training” of the QB who will be here for the next 12-15 years. The Jets aren’t winning anything in 2018. So why keep Bridgewater? So we can lose him for no compensation in the offseason?

There are more reasons to trade TB than to keep him.

you were in favor of holding on to bridgewater a couple of days ago..

what changed for you??

 

[Gramoah]

you were in favor of holding on to bridgewater a couple of days ago..

what changed for you??

As much as I like Teddy we have to trade him before the season if at all possible. The other teams all know he's on a one year deal and might just try to wait to pick him up then. If he hits free agency we get no compensation for him at all for giving him the opportunity to prove he can still be that guy. In my opinion when we selected Darnold we made the commitment that he was our guy and now we have to bite the bullet, stick with what we all know was the plan, and make certain that we give him the opportunity and the tools to be our franchise QB. There are teams right now that might very well do a trade deal and now is the time to do it, before the season starts and the sooner the better. If he does well in this next encounter his stock is going to be sky high. Do it then even before game 4 if possible I say,.............for what my 2 1/2 cents are worth.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Correct. A valid point. And both were playing behind 2nd and 3rd string o-linemen.

Regarding the deep ball question from another poster, Darnold can’t set his feet long enough to throw a deep pass when his protection is pushed aside and he’s got pass rushers in his dish within 3-4 seconds. Darnold’s mobility is going to be a huge factor to his success behind this line.

If Darnold can't set his feet and throw in 3-4 seconds, he doesn't belong in the league ! Sanchez averaged 2.68 seconds per pass. 4 seconds is a guaranteed sack in the NFL.
Darnold is still learning to read a defense , it's going to take him some time. I don't think he can go through his progressions and find the open reciever fast enough to go deep yet. Everything has been short to intermediate predetermined reads so far for a reason.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

The more responsibility they gave him by opening the play book the more they can tell whether not he’s ready. If he doesn’t start game three, he will probably play the rest of the game when to starter comes out, and of course he’ll play the entire fourth game if he isn’t going to be the starter. They are developing him very well but I think they’re handling him with kid gloves and need to open up the playbook a little bit more for him.

The starters usually play the majority of the third game so Darnold Should get time with the First string. He has been practicing with them quite a lot so chemistry should be there.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

As much as I like Teddy we have to trade him before the season if at all possible. The other teams all know he's on a one year deal and might just try to wait to pick him up then. If he hits free agency we get no compensation for him at all for giving him the opportunity to prove he can still be that guy. In my opinion when we selected Darnold we made the commitment that he was our guy and now we have to bite the bullet, stick with what we all know was the plan, and make certain that we give him the opportunity and the tools to be our franchise QB. There are teams right now that might very well do a trade deal and now is the time to do it, before the season starts and the sooner the better. If he does well in this next encounter his stock is going to be sky high. Do it then even before game 4 if possible I say,.............for what my 2 1/2 cents are worth.

Teddy's value will really go up if / when a team loses their starter. Right now , he would be a back up and no team is likely to part with a high pick for a back up on a one year deal. But we have seen how a team will pay if they lose their starter.
I'm starting to shift to the Keep Teddy camp unless that can't refuse deal comes along.
Having 2 potential FQBs is a problem the Jets should embrace. McCown will be a coach or gone next year and Teddy could very well be our starter for this year and beyond. We have to pay another QB next year , Darnold's on his rookie deal so it's not impossible that Teddy could be resigned . I'd Darnold then beats him out, he can be traded then. Can't have too many good QBs on the roster but you sure can have too few ????

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

you were in favor of holding on to bridgewater a couple of days ago..

what changed for you??

I’ve gone back and forth over this. I think Bridgewater is legit. And he’d probably be the best option for the Jets in 2018. But if we’re thinking long term, Darnold was drafted to be the FQB. The sooner he plays, the quicker he gets past the rookie mistakes.

It’s an unusual set of circumstances for this team.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

If Darnold can't set his feet and throw in 3-4 seconds, he doesn't belong in the league ! Sanchez averaged 2.68 seconds per pass. 4 seconds is a guaranteed sack in the NFL.
Darnold is still learning to read a defense , it's going to take him some time. I don't think he can go through his progressions and find the open reciever fast enough to go deep yet. Everything has been short to intermediate predetermined reads so far for a reason.

Based on what I’ve seen so far, Darnold is going to need to be outside the pocket and throwing on the run in order to be successful. Luckily for him, he has the ability to make those throws. This o-line is average at best, so I expect whoever the QB is to be on his back more than we want to see.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Based on what I’ve seen so far, Darnold is going to need to be outside the pocket and throwing on the run in order to be successful. Luckily for him, he has the ability to make those throws. This o-line is average at best, so I expect whoever the QB is to be on his back more than we want to see.

I agree with that. Darnold while .at USC, even his first year was not comfortable in the pocket and was most effective on the run. That was a major concern I expressed pre draft.
He was a one read QB in college and if his primary was covered, he took off, regardless of whether the pocket was clean or not. Everyone proclaimed that as his strength. I was concerned about that then, and still am. He has to improve his pocket presence, learn to slide or step up. He won't get away with playground football at this level. Hopefully Beachum and Winters get back sooner than later. This O line, even with them in the line up is bottom third at best. Could even be bottom 5. Long has looked terrible as has Carpenter. Mac should be burning up the phone lines come cut down day. This O line has to be upgraded or this will be a very long season.

 

[Gramoah]

Teddy's value will really go up if / when a team loses their starter. Right now , he would be a back up and no team is likely to part with a high pick for a back up on a one year deal. But we have seen how a team will pay if they lose their starter.
I'm starting to shift to the Keep Teddy camp unless that can't refuse deal comes along.
Having 2 potential FQBs is a problem the Jets should embrace. McCown will be a coach or gone next year and Teddy could very well be our starter for this year and beyond. We have to pay another QB next year , Darnold's on his rookie deal so it's not impossible that Teddy could be resigned . I'd Darnold then beats him out, he can be traded then. Can't have too many good QBs on the roster but you sure can have too few ????

You are certainly correct that Teddy's value would go up if another team loses their starter and didn't have a quality back up. They might make him their starter or he might just become their back up. No way to know how that would work out. Unless he becomes our starter and we give him a new deal to keep him here after the seasons over we are going to lose him to free agency and get nothing in return. Like I said I like Teddy and if he became our starter I am good with that and let Darnold sit behind him for awhile and continue to compete for the starting job. If he doesn't become our starter with a new contract we will lose him. So I guess what I'm saying is that if we are going to lose him, do it now, when he can very possibly be the means of us acquiring a quality edge rusher or left tackle which we all know are dire needs. Another thing to consider is how many other ( on the bubble ) QBs might become available via trade after the season starts like Manning for instance or Foles. I'm just trying to look at the whole picture and see what could be done to improve the team. I think Teddy, if he stays healthy, could take a team to the super bowl, but I also think with some experience Darnold could do the same. It's an unusual situation for the Jets to be in. It will interesting to see how they handle it.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I think Bridgewater is best suited for a team that needs a starting caliber QB, and is built to make the playoffs now. The Jets put all their chips on Darnold the minute they traded those three 2nd round picks to the Colts. If you commit to Bridgewater, you have to give him the reassurance of a contract extension at some point. And if you do that, that leaves Darnold as a backup for several years at least. He wasn’t drafted #3 overall to sit that long. He’s very close to being a starting QB.

It sounds crazy to trade Bridgewater, but there’s really no other way around it. If we keep him and he’s the starter, we might win 9 games with this roster. Heavy emphasis on might.

 

[Gramoah]

I think Bridgewater is best suited for a team that needs a starting caliber QB, and is built to make the playoffs now. The Jets put all their chips on Darnold the minute they traded those three 2nd round picks to the Colts. If you commit to Bridgewater, you have to give him the reassurance of a contract extension at some point. And if you do that, that leaves Darnold as a backup for several years at least. He wasn’t drafted #3 overall to sit that long. He’s very close to being a starting QB.

It sounds crazy to trade Bridgewater, but there’s really no other way around it. If we keep him and he’s the starter, we might win 9 games with this roster. Heavy emphasis on might.

That's sort of what I'm getting at. By the same token Darnold could win, emphasis on possibly only, 6 or 7 but would gain much valuable experience. Would we be any worse off ? Of course we might also want to consider that if we got that edge rusher we need in exchange for Teddy, what would that do for our win/loss record. I think you put it well concerning the high price we paid to get Darnold and that has to be weighing heavy on the minds of the front office. At any rate we are going to find out soon, I'm sure, how confident they are that they made the right pick.

 

[jets82]

This is clearly an example of a team that needs to play the best QB. We have three pretty good ones. Well two and one average or above average QB. However; there are a few issues with that. You have a 25 year old QB coming off an major injury that’s out to prove himself in a major way. If he would have never gotten hurt he wouldn’t even be on our team. He’s still the starter for the Vikings and they might have been in the SB last year without Wentz playing.

So he’s with us now but only for a year. We can’t do anything with him after that but sign him to a major deal, if I’m correct. If we keep him all year then at the end of it, he can go wherever he wants and we get nothing for him. Best believe if he stays, he’ll rightfully win the job this year and probably takes this sorry ass team to 7-9 wins with very decent stats to get paid a boat load of cash.

The other hand we have the rookie QB they invested just about everything and he appears to be ready right now to play. No he’s not at Bridgewater’s level YET but he be there soon enough. It would be different if he obviously showed he needed half of season or more. That’s too damn easy but Darnold looks pretty damn good out there. So do they hold back a rookie that can play now and help this team be competitive from game one or do they hold back the 25 year old vet who will most likely play at a all-pro level and get nothing back for him at the end of the year?

 

[jets82]

That's sort of what I'm getting at. By the same token Darnold could win, emphasis on possibly only, 6 or 7 but would gain much valuable experience. Would we be any worse off ? Of course we might also want to consider that if we got that edge rusher we need in exchange for Teddy, what would that do for our win/loss record. I think you put it well concerning the high price we paid to get Darnold and that has to be weighing heavy on the minds of the front office. At any rate we are going to find out soon, I'm sure, how confident they are that they made the right pick.

We get that edge rusher this year to go with Jenkins and that can push that total to 8-10 wins. Provided ofcourse the oline protects Darnold, he plays well enough and our offensive weapons so up.

 

[Elias]

Can someone explain to me why TBs trade value is only a third rounder? How come that bum Sam Bradford was worth more when Eagles traded him?