Start Bridgewater or Darnold?

[TonyFtLaud]

Thats what I meant 14 TD's per season which is pretty pedestrian. He may have the same upside as Darnold, but I think Teddy B is only a game manager because of his limitations not because of the scheme.

If you don't think the ultra conservative system limited Teddys stats, I don't know what to tell you. That offense was strictly one dimensional even before Teddy. It was all about Adrian Peterson.

 

[jetgreen13]

Another benefit is Draft position. Darnold starting gets him a much needed year of experience and the difference between 5-6 wins and 7-9 wins cold be the difference between getting a blue Chip player in the draft.
i have very mixed feelings but ultimately, if Sam is the future. Then go all in on him from day 1 and then stick with him.

i have no problem with that..

would be nice to move bridgewater before the start of the season though..

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Manning is 2-0 vs. cheatahs in superbowls and with a good oline and great Rb, it's not hard to imagine him winning another. I can understand them taking a chance on the proven winner rather than choosing a young , crap shoot QB who would still need a better team around him to win. Problem is, the NFC has all the good teams. If the Giants were in the AFC and they only had one team to compete with for the superbowl, might you change your view? And, you are correct. Manning will not become available

Not sure I follow you. If as you say the Giants have a "good O line" and great RB. What more does a rookie QB need to win? They have a very good D, a great Received in odel, very good supporting receivers. Very good TEs.
But :
Right now their o line is trash. Solder at LT is average. Hernandez at LG is a rookie and has looked below average. Halapio at center makes Weseley Johnson look good, Omameh at RG is trash and Flowers at RT is bottom 3rd of the league at best. They have great skill position players though. A rookie QB would have time to learn for a year or two, but honestly , I like Kyle Lauletta and think he could eventually become Manning's replacement.

 

[cheaterhater]

Not sure I follow you. If as you say the Giants have a "good O line" and great RB. What more does a rookie QB need to win? They have a very good D, a great Received in odel, very good supporting receivers. Very good TEs.
But :
Right now their o line is trash. Solder at LT is average. Hernandez at LG is a rookie and has looked below average. Halapio at center makes Weseley Johnson look good, Omameh at RG is trash and Flowers at RT is bottom 3rd of the league at best. They have great skill position players though. A rookie QB would have time to learn for a year or two, but honestly , I like Kyle Lauletta and think he could eventually become Manning's replacement.

Their oline has been upgraded. Hopefully for them it works out that way. Eli should have a better chance to win then a rookie. Just like our favorite team. They kept a 40 year old Brady and let a young garopollo go. Probably not in the best interest
of the future . And not a typical Belichick move at all

 

[cheaterhater]

I say Teddy has more immediate upside as he has years of experience over Darnold. The difference between the two is very evident when you see them on the field. It's not close. Teddy has 4 years in the NFL to 0 for Darnold. 3 years college experience to Darnold's 2. 4 years High School at one of the best area for NCAA and NFL talent to 4 games for Darnold plus 7-8 years of pee wee football. Numerous high profile QB camps. He can read NFL defenses, audible, look off defenders. All things Sam has yet to learn.
Teddy has never been a running QB. He has always been a pocket passer. Sam is more likely to take off and run.
Teddy has a much quicker release , is more accurate, especially deep.
Darnold has struggled with the deep ball in practice, lots of under thrown balls. This has continued through this week. That's probably why Bates has not had him pushing the ball down field in the first 2 games.
I don't think Teddy has had the opportunity to show his ceiling. He played in an ultra conservative system so at this point, both Darnold and Teddy's ceilings are unknown.

correct and agreed. I see a lot of guys saying Sam has a higher ceiling though. Seems to be no basis for that statement

 

[beresford]

Their oline has been upgraded. Hopefully for them it works out that way. Eli should have a better chance to win then a rookie. Just like our favorite team. They kept a 40 year old Brady and let a young garopollo go. Probably not in the best interest of the future . And not a typical Belichick move at all

So if we DON'T trade Teddy and start him, at the end of the season he signs for the Patriots to coincide with Brady's retirement. And the guy who was Jets HC for a few hours stiffs us for the next 12 years with the guy who the Jets gave up a season to rehabilitate. How do you like THEM green tomatoes?

Or perhaps he crosses locker rooms to replace Eli and we spend the next ten years hearing about Bridgewater, Barkley and Beckham.

You'd have to pay me a shedload of money to make me sign a contract with the Jets when I could choose a Superbowl contender at the end of the season.

 

[lounap23]

I am not sure what the argument is here.... Everything is going as I think Macc hoped.... Sign McCown as the ultimate safety net....Check. Sign Bridgewater and have him play at a level where he can yield at least a 4th Rd pick Hopefully a 3rd round Pick Check.... Draft Darnold and hope he shows he can be a starter now... Check.....

Unless Darnold regresses terribly in this next pre-season game he is the starter.

Bridgewater is getting traded if not before camp ends during the season... He will be on the roster and we will carry 3 Qbs until someone gets hurt and a trade presents itself.

McCown will be the backup and mentor .

 

[SackExchange]

if he has, i missed it too..

typically timid bowles..

It's exactly what I would do with a rookie QB to get him adjusted. Let him get accustomed to progressions and reads at the NFL level. High-percentage passes, done with accuracy. The west coast system made it work, and Brady has made a career off of it.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

If you don't think the ultra conservative system limited Teddys stats, I don't know what to tell you. That offense was strictly one dimensional even before Teddy. It was all about Adrian Peterson.

It may have, but I think Teddy B is limited with his arm and definitely with his leg. If we can get a team to fork over a draft pick even if its a #2 then I would jump at it and let Darnold grow with McCown as his mentor. IMO, Teddy B is a low end starter or high end back up in the NFL.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I think you and I had the draft going that way in the first place but the Jets didn't agree. I agree with you, except that, Teddy is on our team. If he is a franchise QB and we could resign him mid term, why not keep him around? Does our #3 pick have to be the franchise QB if someone else already is? Garapollo sat behind brady waiting for a long time. Sam can sit around a little too.

of course, we both know that neither will be a star until the oline is addressed.

Two thoughts about the OL. Darnold is more likely to be able to make plays when the OL fails. Bridgewater got hurt when nobody touched him. I would guess Darnold is more durable. Second thought if you want to keep Teddy B so Darnold doesn't get killed, I would be all for letting Bridgewater be the sacrificial lamb.

 

[gastineau]

Bridge. looked good against 3rd string Defense and Darnold looked good against the Starters. So I say with the current O Line being poor and Defense also average is to start small hands Domed stadium Bridgew. Who cares how he does this year? My bigger issue is Darnold not regressing. BTW,are JETS Coaches inflating and deflating and wetting the footballs and having Darnold wear Gloves? Why? Because small hands QB's struggle passing in cold,wet,Windy weather in our division! Bad enough poor Coaching on top of poor O Line and Defense, but not having Darnold ready for cold wet windy weather passing in, is just stupid! Play Bridge and let the Coaches screw him up till new Coaches next year.

 

[gastineau]

Meanwhile the QB I wanted for size, arm strength,hand size,mobile movement ,Allen is looking better and better. Def. made for wet windy cold weather QB. Darnold Jets have a lot of work getting him ready to wear gloves and deflate footballs to lowest in every cold wet windy weather game to get best grip possible this fall. Darnold looks the best in everything else so far and pulling for him. He needs help from Coaching that Jets dont have.

 

[maxmet]

if Jets went to Teddy NOW and suggested that he sign an extension to make his deal two years, how much would we need to offer to get him to do so?

is there no price at which he would do it - because he wants to start more than anything?

or is there a number at which he would sign - and where we would feel good now that we see that he is at least reasonably healthy and able to play?

nice bonus right now and commit for 2019 -

 

[Jet Fan RI]

It's exactly what I would do with a rookie QB to get him adjusted. Let him get accustomed to progressions and reads at the NFL level. High-percentage passes, done with accuracy. The west coast system made it work, and Brady has made a career off of it.

Yes, but Brady has enough time to make occasional deep throws. That's an important part of making the short game work.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

correct and agreed. I see a lot of guys saying Sam has a higher ceiling though. Seems to be no basis for that statement

Sam is big, shows mobility, and appears to be 100% into becoming the best QB he can. He's a very young, very Raw kid. The high ceiling is based on potential, not accomplishment.
He is showing that potential but has a ways to go.
It's like every parent thinks their baby is the cutest. I think some fans are seeing what they want to see. It's been a long time since we have actually had a QB that brings so much hope.
I'm pulling for Sam to live up to the hype and like what I see ,but I have to see more before anointing him the GOAT which a few have already done.

 

[butterscotch]

Lets say we never drafted Darnold or the other big three this year............I think if we are honest here except for his knee we would all be very happy that a 25 year old Teddy was here. We might have ten or 12 years of him. If his knee holds up we could have the qb we are looking for right here now. Just because we drafted a guy high does not make him Montana. I don't know because I am not on the field but if he has a noodle arm ....well we don't need another Chad.........plus as he ages the arm gets weaker sooner. a little injury of the arm hurts more.......Don't get me wrong I just want the best but i am concerned about his arm almost as much as Teddy;s knee. His arm may be great but i want to see it.

I will also say I think the Jets will start the D man.....if they do it is it for the right reason or because they feel they have too. If he starts do it for the right reason not to please the fans. I have nothing against him at all.I hope he or the B man are our answer.....But winning teams win & losing teams lose....do it right jets..

 

[cheaterhater]

So if we DON'T trade Teddy and start him, at the end of the season he signs for the Patriots to coincide with Brady's retirement. And the guy who was Jets HC for a few hours stiffs us for the next 12 years with the guy who the Jets gave up a season to rehabilitate. How do you like THEM green tomatoes?

Or perhaps he crosses locker rooms to replace Eli and we spend the next ten years hearing about Bridgewater, Barkley and Beckham.

You'd have to pay me a shedload of money to make me sign a contract with the Jets when I could choose a Superbowl contender at the end of the season.

You are right. He would end up as a big cheater next year for sure. We better trade him now or even cut him if we have to just to prevent that outcome ????????

 

[cheaterhater]

Yes, but Brady has enough time to make occasional deep throws. That's an important part of making the short game work.

Sanchez ate a hotdog on the sideline. Brady has enough time to eat a dozen hotdogs while waiting in the pocket

 

[butterscotch]

Sam is big, shows mobility, and appears to be 100% into becoming the best QB he can. He's a very young, very Raw kid. The high ceiling is based on potential, not accomplishment.
He is showing that potential but has a ways to go.
It's like every parent thinks their baby is the cutest. I think some fans are seeing what they want to see. It's been a long time since we have actually had a QB that brings so much hope.
I'm pulling for Sam to live up to the hype and like what I see ,but I have to see more before anointing him the GOAT which a few have already done.

Who is calling him a goat? I have not seen that here

 

[cheaterhater]

if Jets went to Teddy NOW and suggested that he sign an extension to make his deal two years, how much would we need to offer to get him to do so?

is there no price at which he would do it - because he wants to start more than anything?

or is there a number at which he would sign - and where we would feel good now that we see that he is at least reasonably healthy and able to play?

nice bonus right now and commit for 2019 -

Good point and worth a try but I'm guessing that Teddy wanted a 1 year deal to prove himself and get a long term deal when he does