Went to Today's Practice: My Observations

[TonyFtLaud]

what about when petty, who absolutely has a strong arm got his two chances?? both chances that came after the season was lost, BTW.. he was never put in positions to succeed downfield.. never..

& numbers can be misleading without context.. but i'll give you bowles trusts older QBs much more than younger ones..

Petty melted down mentally. He knew that was his only opportunity to become a starting QB and could not handle the pressure. His completion % was 49.1% on easy passes. Keeping him throwing short was the only option , other than running three times and punting.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

i heard about that, here actually.. i brushed it off with all of the other positive feedback we were getting from the beat writers..

so the kid we moved up to 3 for can't complete 40+ yard passes?? most of the league had darnold as the number one QB in the draft with the knowledge that he can't complete 40+ yard passes??

I won't say he can't, I'll say he can't right now. He was usually throwing to wide open receivers or else throwing up 50/50 jump balls to receivers who were much better than the defenders.
He is very Raw. Has very little experience and needs time to really learn the QB position.
Most of the experts also said he would need a year on the bench. Darnold has the traits you can't teach, that's why his ceiling is so high. Geno and Hack had the physcial tools to succeed but not the mental.
Darnold has both, but has to learn to put it all together It's going to take some time.
Darnold got away with alot against soft defenses in college that just won't work in the NFL . Patience will be necessary but hopefully it will be rewarded.

 

[jetgreen13]

Petty melted down mentally. He knew that was his only opportunity to become a starting QB and could not handle the pressure. His completion % was 49.1% on easy passes. Keeping him throwing short was the only option , other than running three times and punting.

the easy passes you speak of must have taken place on third & long.. because they ran the ball consistently on first & second down both "chances" he got to play..

 

[jetgreen13]

I won't say he can't, I'll say he can't right now. He was usually throwing to wide open receivers or else throwing up 50/50 jump balls to receivers who were much better than the defenders.
He is very Raw. Has very little experience and needs time to really learn the QB position.
Most of the experts also said he would need a year on the bench. Darnold has the traits you can't teach, that's why his ceiling is so high. Geno and Hack had the physcial tools to succeed but not the mental.
Darnold has both, but has to learn to put it all together It's going to take some time.
Darnold got away with alot against soft defenses in college that just won't work in the NFL . Patience will be necessary but hopefully it will be rewarded.

thank you.. this post helped me step back & take a deep breath..

 

[TonyFtLaud]

thank you.. this post helped me step back & take a deep breath..

Don't worry , right now Darnold is actually ahead of where every expert expected him to be.
expect some growing pains but by next season , playoffs should happen.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

the easy passes you speak of must have taken place on third & long.. because they ran the ball consistently on first & second down both "chances" he got to play..

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he played in 6 games in 2016 starting 4 of them and last year he started 3 games. Had 112 pass attempts so roughly 34 pass attempts per game. Completing roughly 16. 1 pick for every 11 pass attempts, A 24.6 passer rating. I personally wouldn't have let him throw more. He would be 0-7 vs 1-6 if he did throw more.
I actually just looked up the passing play % for last season with Petty starting. 59.4% Of the plays ran we're passing plays. His last game the team ran over 67% passing plays so more than half on avg and over 2\3s his final game. Not quite how you remember it, but in fairness I thought it was closer to 50% run / pass

 

[butterscotch]

If....Now I said IF....let me say it again....if ........ Ok one more time IF the D man has a Noodle arm....we are in trouble.

Another Chad I can't take......I remember when he had a good year here but as soon as the playoffs started they shut off his short game......Don't give me Brady as a one in a million but when it gets cold out late in the season you need that arm. Plus Brady could throw deep when he wanted to for years.

 

[SackExchange]

I know the Jets have had more than their fair share of QB letdowns, but there is nothing to suggest Darnold's arm strength is a concern.

https://campussports.net/2018/04/09/sam-darnold-arm-strength-velocity-speed-video/

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I know the Jets have had more than their fair share of QB letdowns, but there is nothing to suggest Darnold's arm strength is a concern.

https://campussports.net/2018/04/09/sam-darnold-arm-strength-velocity-speed-video/

Darnold threw a few picks in practice on long balls, and ran a conservative playbook during two preseason games, and people are already questioning arm strength?

The playbook is going to open up on September 10.

 

[butterscotch]

Darnold threw a few picks in practice on long balls, and ran a conservative playbook during two preseason games, and people are already questioning arm strength?

The playbook is going to open up on September 10.

Cards are going through the same thing with their QB's You are right until the season starts you can't judge..........We shall see.

 

[SackExchange]

Darnold threw a few picks in practice on long balls, and ran a conservative playbook during two preseason games, and people are already questioning arm strength?

The playbook is going to open up on September 10.

It's Jets fans.

That it's only questioning, and not already calling him a bust, shows far more patience than I am used to from Jets fans.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

I know the Jets have had more than their fair share of QB letdowns, but there is nothing to suggest Darnold's arm strength is a concern.

https://campussports.net/2018/04/09/...y-speed-video/

Sam has a good enough arm to be very successful in the league.
On thing I will say is Dilfer's comment is very wrong. It is not about how fast the ball gets to it's target after leaving your hand, what's most important is how fast the ball leaves your hand after the snap.

 

[jetgreen13]

Sam has a good enough arm to be very successful in the league.
On thing I will say is Dilfer's comment is very wrong. It is not about how fast the ball gets to it's target after leaving your hand, what's most important is how fast the ball leaves your hand after the snap.

off the top of your head, who's arm strength past or present does the kid's remind you of??

 

[NewMFS62]

Sam has a good enough arm to be very successful in the league.
On thing I will say is Dilfer's comment is very wrong. It is not about how fast the ball gets to it's target after leaving your hand, what's most important is how fast the ball leaves your hand after the snap.

Well, one of the quarterbacks with the quickest release I remember was Danny Wuerffel. If he had been drafted by a Mouse Davis coached run-and-shoot team, he might have been an all Pro. Unfortunately, he wasn't. The strongest arm I recall was Billy Concannon. He could throw a football through a wall, if only he could have hit the wall.
So, neither quick release nor arm strength is a guarantee of success. But they can be.
Sorry, just the old man in me being ornery today.
To answer the question, I think he could remind me of John Elway. But I have to watch him more to verify that.
Later

 

[TonyFtLaud]

off the top of your head, who's arm strength past or present does the kid's remind you of??

Matt Ryan.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Well, one of the quarterbacks with the quickest release I remember was Danny Wuerffel. If he had been drafted by a Mouse Davis coached run-and-shoot team, he might have been an all Pro. Unfortunately, he wasn't. The strongest arm I recall was Billy Concannon. He could throw a football through a wall, if only he could have hit the wall.
So, neither quick release nor arm strength is a guarantee of success. But they can be.
Sorry, just the old man in me being ornery today.
To answer the question, I think he could remind me of John Elway. But I have to watch him more to verify that.
Later

Elway had a cannon for an arm. Darnold does not....
Wasn't Billy a pitcher? Jack was bears QB but I may be missing someone else.
Marino and Elway probably the most successful strong arm QBs of modern times.And Aron Rodgers, he regularly makes great throws off balance with pure arm strength... Can't believe I almost left him out.
Vick also had very good arm strength.
Bartkowski had a crazy strong arm. Could flick a ball 60-70 yards with just his wrist.
Jamarcus Russell had one of the strongest arms I have seen, pulled of the Mahomes 70 yard throw from the knees long before Mahomes and could pass 90 yards, but couldn't pass McDonalds or the drug man without stopping...:global (25):

 

[NewMFS62]

Elway had a cannon for an arm. Darnold does not....
Wasn't Billy a pitcher? Jack was bears QB but I may be missing someone else.
Marino and Elway probably the most successful strong arm QBs of modern times.And Aron Rodgers, he regularly makes great throws off balance with pure arm strength... Can't believe I almost left him out.
Vick also had very good arm strength.
Bartkowski had a crazy strong arm. Could flick a ball 60-70 yards with just his wrist.
Jamarcus Russell had one of the strongest arms I have seen, pulled of the Mahomes 70 yard throw from the knees long before Mahomes and could pass 90 yards, but couldn't pass McDonalds or the drug man without stopping...:global (25):

Ya got me, Jack was the QB.
I said he reminds me of Elway because of his size, build (Darnold has a chubbier face), he seems to keep his composure and he can throw well on the run. But also. he seems to have the leadership "it".
And, I literally laughed out loud at your description of Russell. You nailed it.

Later

 

[Namath12]

Darnold has a very good arm. Not an absolute cannon, like an Elway, Namath,Mahomes, or Josh Allen. In terms of arm strength, he reminds me of Ken O'Brien. His arm is plenty strong enough. I watched every throw that he made on his pro day in a downpour and he completed several bombs with no problem. Here are some quarterbacks with much less arm strength than Darnold : Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Drew Brees, Bart Starr, Lenny Dawson and Teddy Bridgewater. The nit-picking and paranoia among Jets fans apparently knows no limits. Relax, everyone. We Have our franchise quarterback.

In the modern NFL, success is predicated upon recognizing what you are seeing at the line of scrimmage, processing what the defense is doing after the snap within one second, making the correct decision as to where to go with the ball, and then hitting the receiver in stride. It is also important if you have the inner confidence to shrug off the inevitable mistakes and to take command of the huddle and then eventually the team. It is a huge plus if you can make "off schedule" plays when the pocket breaks down, which will happen often this year.

Is there anyone who seriously doubts that our 21 year-old rookie has all of the necessary qualities that I delineated?

Really, guys. To quote Aaron Rodgers, "R-E-L-A-X."

 

[jetgreen13]

Darnold has a very good arm. Not an absolute cannon, like an Elway, Namath,Mahomes, or Josh Allen. In terms of arm strength, he reminds me of Ken O'Brien. His arm is plenty strong enough. I watched every throw that he made on his pro day in a downpour and he completed several bombs with no problem. Here are some quarterbacks with much less arm strength than Darnold : Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Drew Brees, Bart Starr, Lenny Dawson and Teddy Bridgewater. The nit-picking and paranoia among Jets fans apparently knows no limits. Relax, everyone. We Have our franchise quarterback.

In the modern NFL, success is predicated upon recognizing what you are seeing at the line of scrimmage, processing what the defense is doing after the snap within one second, making the correct decision as to where to go with the ball, and then hitting the receiver in stride. It is also important if you have the inner confidence to shrug off the inevitable mistakes and to take command of the huddle and then eventually the team. It is a huge plus if you can make "off schedule" plays when the pocket breaks down, which will happen often this year.

Is there anyone who seriously doubts that our 21 year-old rookie has all of the necessary qualities that I delineated?

Really, guys. To quote Aaron Rodgers, "R-E-L-A-X."

good post but somehow you missed the crippling irony of the bolded..

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Ya got me, Jack was the QB.
I said he reminds me of Elway because of his size, build (Darnold has a chubbier face), he seems to keep his composure and he can throw well on the run. But also. he seems to have the leadership "it".
And, I literally laughed out loud at your description of Russell. You nailed it.

Later

He reminds me of porky pig lol but I don't think that's very flattering.lol
I get the comparison now to Elway though.
If you remember Jack, you get a pass anytime you forget. I thought I was old!