I'm one of those waiting and preaching about oline forever, but at this point I have to believe / hope that it's coming next year. I haven't had a real problem with what Mac has done so far so I'll keep the faith like Billy Joel
Went to Today's Practice: My Observations
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I'm one of those waiting and preaching about oline forever, but at this point I have to believe / hope that it's coming next year. I haven't had a real problem with what Mac has done so far so I'll keep the faith like Billy Joel
No some question if our guy can throw the ball down field in the NFL? I think he can but until I see it ??????????? Plus how accurate is he...we shall see
To this point, it should be noted that Darnold was excellent at heating the receivers in stride. At one point, I turned to my son and said, "Do you notice how different Darnold's completions are from those of Sanchez?" Sanchez constantly threw to the back hip, forcing the receiver to slow down to make the reception. Darnold's passes would allow the receiver to gain yards after the catch. I saw an article from Pro Football Focus today about this. I'll see if I can find the link.
Here is the article about the rookie quarterbacks through week 1 of the pre-season:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-first-round-qbs-after-preseason-week-1
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-first-round-qbs-after-preseason-week-1
i don't like brady or belichick or kraft either but at this point, anyone being intellectually honest has to have brady on the short list as the GOAT, no?? which is why i'm puzzled why you keep comparing brady's situation to darnold's..
no one in their right mind will tell you the patriots offensive game plan under belichick with brady has been timid.. they both want kick the shit out of you & will as long as you let them..
i & others certainly could make that case with bowles.. actually, he's timid on both sides of the ball..
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Well, it wasn't the deepest, but the pass he threw to Walford while facing pressure, in the Atlanta game, shows he can throw the intermediate ball with pressure in his face.
As for accuracy, so far he is 21 for 29, almost 75%. Small sample size, but that's pretty accurate.
As long as others will be lauded for being measured while Bowles is bashed for timidity, there is nothing he can do to win over some.
As for the Patriots, they don't throw a bunch of haymakers at you. They might destroy you, but they do it with a whole bunch of jabs.
they do it with the intent of destroying you!! & in their system it works.. time tested..
as far as bowles, i'm kind of over debating what he is or isn't as a HC.. i think he's awful, you don't..
No, I don't think he's awful. I am not convinced he's great, but I don't think he's awful. And I'm not sure there is any evidence that would clarify the argument.
But yes, the Patriots have essentially perfected their offensive system, which is similar to the original intent of the West Coast, but employs a much greater reliance on TEs and slot receivers, in addition to hitting RBs out of the backfield. They have the perfect QB for the system, as Brady makes all the right reads and has great accuracy. But it's not through gunslinging as if they had a Favre or someone like that. It's much more measured.
as far as the bolded, if you haven't bumped your head, i would hope nothing you have seen has convinced you of bowles' "greatness.."
i get it. You loathe him.
Have to agree with Sack. Bowles has not been perfect, but he's certainly far from awful. He has done more with less than most coaches would have in my opinion. The Jets have outperformed expectations in 2 of his 3 seasons. So I don't see that as awful.
As far as the offense goes - a couple of points to make - 1. They are not going to show their playbook in public practices. 2. You can bet that the deep ball will be in the game plans. Bates knows what he's doing, and is a well respected offensive mind around the league. 3. And someone made this point earlier - the o-line is still in flux. You can't throw it deep if you can't protect for at least 3 or 4 seconds. When they get healthy, I'm sure we'll see more of it. Right now, it's preseason. Why show your opponents your playbook? I think it's smart. Parcells used to keep his offenses very vanilla in the preseason. And during the regular season, they looked entirely different. The Patriots have been running the same scheme for 18 years..so everyone knows what they're going to do. There's nothing for them to hide except how they plan to match up. Different scenario entirely.
The grass always seems greener. What I see right now is a HC building a great relationship with his new franchise QB. That's the most important thing that he can do this season. Same with Bates. They seem to be on the same page already. I say this a lot, but everyone be patient. This team is not ready to contend quite yet. But I think this team can surprise some this year. Bowles and Mac deserve more time and in my opinion after this offseason, they've earned it. We recruited some excellent FAs, they're changing the culture and had what appears to be a very good draft class. Patience everyone...this team will get there.
As far as the offense goes - a couple of points to make - 1. They are not going to show their playbook in public practices. 2. You can bet that the deep ball will be in the game plans. Bates knows what he's doing, and is a well respected offensive mind around the league. 3. And someone made this point earlier - the o-line is still in flux. You can't throw it deep if you can't protect for at least 3 or 4 seconds. When they get healthy, I'm sure we'll see more of it. Right now, it's preseason. Why show your opponents your playbook? I think it's smart. Parcells used to keep his offenses very vanilla in the preseason. And during the regular season, they looked entirely different. The Patriots have been running the same scheme for 18 years..so everyone knows what they're going to do. There's nothing for them to hide except how they plan to match up. Different scenario entirely.
The grass always seems greener. What I see right now is a HC building a great relationship with his new franchise QB. That's the most important thing that he can do this season. Same with Bates. They seem to be on the same page already. I say this a lot, but everyone be patient. This team is not ready to contend quite yet. But I think this team can surprise some this year. Bowles and Mac deserve more time and in my opinion after this offseason, they've earned it. We recruited some excellent FAs, they're changing the culture and had what appears to be a very good draft class. Patience everyone...this team will get there.
so, essentially you've been pleased with bowles' run here & both he & maccagnan have both earned more time..
in your opinion, have they earned a "marvin lewis" amount of time?? or are we just talking a 7 to 8 year run with no results??
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Problem is, Darnold has been terrible in practice going deep. Lots of picks and under throws.
Bowles and Bates are trying to play to Darnold's strengths. When the D backs can sit back and pick off the QB, there's no challenge. They are still having to cover the receivers. Don't you think that the coaching staff is evaluating the coverage?
In 2015 noodle arm Fitz had 124 deep pass attempts. Last year, McCown was 3 Rd in the league on passes over 20 yards. With a poor o line, and one legit deep threat. Don't know how much more you could ask for.
That's so true. We have been terrible with YAC. Someone posted a video of all of Darnold's TDs from us, crazy YAC on the vast majority of the plays. No surprise Shuster Smith was 3rd in the league last year for Yac
Thats why I was fine letting ASJ walk. -2.5 avg.
i heard about that, here actually.. i brushed it off with all of the other positive feedback we were getting from the beat writers..
so the kid we moved up to 3 for can't complete 40+ yard passes?? most of the league had darnold as the number one QB in the draft with the knowledge that he can't complete 40+ yard passes??
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what about when petty, who absolutely has a strong arm got his two chances?? both chances that came after the season was lost, BTW.. he was never put in positions to succeed downfield.. never..
& numbers can be misleading without context.. but i'll give you bowles trusts older QBs much more than younger ones..
Neither necessarily - I think they certainly deserve the next two years. I would anticipate we'll start seeing the progress of their rebuilding plan at that point. They started rebuilding late - in my estimation that was probably because Woody doesn't like "rebuilding" from scratch. His brother gets it. I hope Chris Johnson stays on as the active owner...but that's a different topic.
The Marvin Lewis thing is astounding. No, no coach with his performance deserves that kind of tenure. For Bowles, I think it would be a reasonable expectation for the Jets to contend for the playoffs by next season, assuming their QB stays healthy. It's hard to win if that is not the case. But based on the core of talent they are putting together, and they have few holes still to fill - depth at RB, O-Line and Pass Rusher...I think 2019 and the playoffs is a fair expectation.
well stated post LI..
LOLz as you may have already guessed, i'm not much of a bowles guy.. just don't see the growth, direction, accountability, flexibility or leadership from the guy.. & this is year 4..