Jets GM repeat same formula as before with "IF"S"

[gastineau]

Jets Gm had a 100mil. before and spent it over paying for Players at LB Harris-CB Revis -Wilk and WR along with 4 years bad Drafts and no Playoffs. Now it's 2019 and again over paying at CB, LB and now RB with NO Center or beefed up O Line to protect Darnold from the middle of Pocket Collapse and bad snaps like last season! Only possible Good is having the 3rd pick to get Bossa or my hope Allen. I rather Mac. had spent money on the O Line with Center being first and then Draft Allen and a RB in third round. Teams are wise to value in Drafting a good RB in 2,3,4th rounds with production and not spending crazy money. Pats , Colts ,many others get it. Over Paying a good LBer thats stopping a RB ,TE past the line with little of anything else makes no value sense. CB Johnson is a great Corner..when or IF he feels like Playing 100%. While I like our new RB ,I have no idea if we got the guy we seen 2 years ago but paid for that level. Again I rather seen Protection for Darnold to see if his INT;s go down and be better than Lions Matthew Stafford. Because thats what Darnold reminds me of right now is Stafford with Interceptions. I didnt like Macs system last time around spending money and Drafting awful after the 6th pick and putting our Jets at bottom of League. Looks like the same this year Except having a chance to get an Elite Sacking machine Player like JJ Watt. Thats if Mac doesnt trade out to blow it on his proven bad drafting skills. Why have more picks if they arent going to be impact players on the Jets in 1 to 2 years? Stay at 3 grab Allen and hope you can get a Center and Tackle. Funny I wanted Mac as GM thinking he would use his scouting abilities as GM. That sure didnt happen along with him having a bad judgement of character in signing of Big contracts to Players just looking for a big payday and not playing hard like Johnson,Wilk, ..shoot why say it when you guys know all of them the last 4 years all gone but Johnson. Right now not counting getting Allen, I feel like a 3rd best team in Division with to many "IF"S" If Darnold improves-if he has protection-if RB-LB-CB and Drafting Allen ALL Play Great we might be 2nd in Division. To many "IF"s".

 

[gastineau]

Hey gmf, where is all of your posts? I come back to check to read your and Scotch takes on Jets news every year on Draft and FA signings. Also I want to know how good you guys feel about the team this year with better HC and DC.OC and will it be enough with over coming Mac's Crazy spending and bad Drafts?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Hey gmf, where is all of your posts? I come back to check to read your and Scotch takes on Jets news every year on Draft and FA signings. Also I want to know how good you guys feel about the team this year with better HC and DC.OC and will it be enough with over coming Mac's Crazy spending and bad Drafts?

Yeah man, I haven't seen him around in awhile, I think his last post was on March 13th. I hope he's okay.

 

[Gramoah]

Hey gmf, where is all of your posts? I come back to check to read your and Scotch takes on Jets news every year on Draft and FA signings. Also I want to know how good you guys feel about the team this year with better HC and DC.OC and will it be enough with over coming Mac's Crazy spending and bad Drafts?

Gmf is busy working. He's fine and will likely be more available after Easter. And for your 2nd question, I for one think the team has made some good acquisitions in free agency and things are, from my perspective looking up. With all the new additions though, I caution Jets fans to remember that it takes time for all these changes to blend together between the coaching staff and players and between the players themselves. They may come out of the gate this season being better and they might not but once they iron out the wrinkles I expect this team to finally be competitive again. Of course, this is just my opinion. I can't speak for the rest of the gang.

 

[cheaterhater]

Gmf is busy working. He's fine and will likely be more available after Easter. And for your 2nd question, I for one think the team has made some good acquisitions in free agency and things are, from my perspective looking up. With all the new additions though, I caution Jets fans to remember that it takes time for all these changes to blend together between the coaching staff and players and between the players themselves. They may come out of the gate this season being better and they might not but once they iron out the wrinkles I expect this team to finally be competitive again. Of course, this is just my opinion. I can't speak for the rest of the gang.

Just curious as to if you really feel they are going to be competitive or if you are just being hopeful. also looks like you made the switch to wanting the edge rusher instead of trading down for the O lineman. this might be ok if we use our 2 3rd round picks on O line as someone pointed out on another thread that there is a lot of o line talent out there graded at 2nd and third round plus some that will slip out of the first. Boy I hope we get this right

 

[Gramoah]

Just curious as to if you really feel they are going to be competitive or if you are just being hopeful. also looks like you made the switch to wanting the edge rusher instead of trading down for the O lineman. this might be ok if we use our 2 3rd round picks on O line as someone pointed out on another thread that there is a lot of o line talent out there graded at 2nd and third round plus some that will slip out of the first. Boy I hope we get this right

I still am all for beefing up the "O" line, especially LT and Center but if the Jets can get that "game changer" edge rusher while the getting is good they shouldn't pass up that opportunity. It is a position of real need and players of that quality are few and far between and several teams are looking to add edge rushers this time around. Sure we might be able to get one later in the draft but he very likely wouldn't be the same quality player. I'd almost guarantee it. I'm hoping that no team is looking for a left tackle and the Jets pick up Dillard and a Center. Then I'd like to see them try to get a #1 receiver and there are a couple in this draft that might possibly fill the bill. Then I'd go back to the defense maybe and sign another CB. So, no, I haven't changed my mind about improving the "O" line but Allen, Bosa, and Williams are too good to pass up. And yes, I really feel that they will be competitive as soon as they get used to the system and each other..

 

[SackExchange]

Beachum is remaining there for now. He's not too old yet, and while not sensational, he is a steady pass blocker. I sense the team will look to draft his replacement not this year, but next. Depending on Shell's development, that could be a player who starts at RT and works his way over to LT, or it could be a starting LT from day one.

 

[Gramoah]

Beachum is remaining there for now. He's not too old yet, and while not sensational, he is a steady pass blocker. I sense the team will look to draft his replacement not this year, but next. Depending on Shell's development, that could be a player who starts at RT and works his way over to LT, or it could be a starting LT from day one.

If they get Dilllard he could start day one and I'm not down on Beachum. He has done a decent job but we need better than decent so while I would replace him I wouldn't necessarily cut him.

 

[SackExchange]

If they get Dilllard he could start day one and I'm not down on Beachum. He has done a decent job but we need better than decent so while I would replace him I wouldn't necessarily cut him.

The thing is, they have holes that are more urgent, and can bring in guys at or near the top of this draft who can address some of those actual holes.

They can do this with more of a long term plan at LT.

 

[AFA2017]

The thing is, they have holes that are more urgent, and can bring in guys at or near the top of this draft who can address some of those actual holes.

They can do this with more of a long term plan at LT.

Macc has not drafted YOUNG Offensive linemen in the first couple of rounds developing into solid starters. I do not see us drafting the O-line till the 3rd or 4th Rd.

 

[hobson54]

Macc has not drafted YOUNG Offensive linemen in the first couple of rounds developing into solid starters. I do not see us drafting the O-line till the 3rd or 4th Rd.

well unless they trade down, that's a pretty safe bet since they very likely won't go o-line at #3 and they don't pick again until the 3rd round

 

[SackExchange]

Macc has not drafted YOUNG Offensive linemen in the first couple of rounds developing into solid starters. I do not see us drafting the O-line till the 3rd or 4th Rd.

I agree. This has been one of my biggest criticisms of Macc.

The thing is, you draft a LT first round, you're plugging him in to start at LT right off the bat. If you draft a tackle in, say, the third round, he might be a guy who first develops at RT and then shows he has what it takes to slide over to LT.

 

[hobson54]

I agree. This has been one of my biggest criticisms of Macc.

The thing is, you draft a LT first round, you're plugging him in to start at LT right off the bat. If you draft a tackle in, say, the third round, he might be a guy who first develops at RT and then shows he has what it takes to slide over to LT.

i don't disagree with what you are saying in concept. however, if you look back at macc's drafts, there really weren't any top o-lineman that were picked right after the jets went in the 1st

2015 - leonard williams went 6. next o-lineman taken was erick flowers at 9 (he stinks). andreas peat went 13, so maybe he could have taken him there although most would have considered it a reach at the time

2016 - darren lee went 20. next o-lineman taken was joshua garnett (a guard) at 28 and then germain ifedi at 31

2017 - jamaal adams went 6. next o-lineman taken was garrett boles at 20

2018 - took sam. don't think anyone was saying go tackle here.

 

[SackExchange]

i don't disagree with what you are saying in concept. however, if you look back at macc's drafts, there really weren't any top o-lineman that were picked right after the jets went in the 1st

2015 - leonard williams went 6. next o-lineman taken was erick flowers at 9 (he stinks). andreas peat went 13, so maybe he could have taken him there although most would have considered it a reach at the time

2016 - darren lee went 20. next o-lineman taken was joshua garnett (a guard) at 28 and then germain ifedi at 31

2017 - jamaal adams went 6. next o-lineman taken was garrett boles at 20

2018 - took sam. don't think anyone was saying go tackle here.

Fair argument. You can only do what the draft allows you to do.

 

[cheaterhater]

Fair argument. You can only do what the draft allows you to do.

this is why I'm not as down on Mac as many others. but that doesn't mean I still don't want O line drafted a plenty

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

This discussion reminds me of the many times over the years when fans have lost their minds when the GM takes a player in the middle rounds who doesn’t fill a perceived need. Tanny, Idzik, Macc, etc. The argument seems to be “we need a CB, and this idiot takes a DT!!”

These front offices don’t operate that way. They have players they’ve scouted extensively, and have an idea of where they’ll be available in the draft. Sometimes they’re there, sometimes they aren’t. But I can pretty much guarantee you that they don’t sit at the table during the draft with their Sporting News Draft Guide and make decisions based on that, unlike many fans. So I find it kind of silly when I read the commentary from some fans who flip out because some “diamond in the rough” WR gets passed over in the 4th round.

There’s also other variables that fans aren’t privy to. Bad visits, character red flags, bad scheme fit, etc. It’s easy for all of us to be armchair GM’s.

 

[Gramoah]

This discussion reminds me of the many times over the years when fans have lost their minds when the GM takes a player in the middle rounds who doesn’t fill a perceived need. Tanny, Idzik, Macc, etc. The argument seems to be “we need a CB, and this idiot takes a DT!!”

These front offices don’t operate that way. They have players they’ve scouted extensively, and have an idea of where they’ll be available in the draft. Sometimes they’re there, sometimes they aren’t. But I can pretty much guarantee you that they don’t sit at the table during the draft with their Sporting News Draft Guide and make decisions based on that, unlike many fans. So I find it kind of silly when I read the commentary from some fans who flip out because some “diamond in the rough” WR gets passed over in the 4th round.

There’s also other variables that fans aren’t privy to. Bad visits, character red flags, bad scheme fit, etc. It’s easy for all of us to be armchair GM’s.

Especially when we have nothing to lose when we are wrong.

 

[gastineau]

Gmf is busy working. He's fine and will likely be more available after Easter. And for your 2nd question, I for one think the team has made some good acquisitions in free agency and things are, from my perspective looking up. With all the new additions though, I caution Jets fans to remember that it takes time for all these changes to blend together between the coaching staff and players and between the players themselves. They may come out of the gate this season being better and they might not but once they iron out the wrinkles I expect this team to finally be competitive again. Of course, this is just my opinion. I can't speak for the rest of the gang.

Thanks Gram. gmf must be out at sea helping people..... Far as our GM, I just dont have any faith in his common sense in Drafts, Signings, has he has proven over 5 years of Dart Board Drafting. Even worse I wanted him and Bowles when they were just considered for Jets Jobs. I really thought as being a former scout that he would use that to Draft instead of Dart Board Drafting. I;ve been waiting a very long time since 68 for Jets GM's to get their Sh!t together. I'm still tired of watching bad Drafts not helping rebuilding our Jets over last 5 years and hitting on 2 good players so far at QB, Safety. So how much longer tapping my foot and seeing this? Another 4 years? How long with it take our GM to learn his job in Drafts and evaluating free agent Players playing hard after big contracts? Free Agent signings of Players looking for Big Payday and then dont play hard makes me sick! Millions to Revis-Wilk-and now CB Johnson are all past bad signings. Will these next 3 free agent signings also be like that? Mikeys a awful bad judgement of people in free agency and Drafts outside of 2 players. He did the same stuff last 5 years and didnt see him improve. So why would our GM improve now? Keep our 3rd pick and draft an impact player like Bossa/Allen.

 

[Gramoah]

Thanks Gram. gmf must be out at sea helping people..... Far as our GM, I just dont have any faith in his common sense in Drafts, Signings, has he has proven over 5 years of Dart Board Drafting. Even worse I wanted him and Bowles when they were just considered for Jets Jobs. I really thought as being a former scout that he would use that to Draft instead of Dart Board Drafting. I;ve been waiting a very long time since 68 for Jets GM's to get their Sh!t together. I'm still tired of watching bad Drafts not helping rebuilding our Jets over last 5 years and hitting on 2 good players so far at QB, Safety. So how much longer tapping my foot and seeing this? Another 4 years? How long with it take our GM to learn his job in Drafts and evaluating free agent Players playing hard after big contracts? Free Agent signings of Players looking for Big Payday and then dont play hard makes me sick! Millions to Revis-Wilk-and now CB Johnson are all past bad signings. Will these next 3 free agent signings also be like that? Mikeys a awful bad judgement of people in free agency and Drafts outside of 2 players. He did the same stuff last 5 years and didnt see him improve. So why would our GM improve now? Keep our 3rd pick and draft an impact player like Bossa/Allen.

I feel your pain, my friend, about those Star Players coming in on a big paycheck and then coasting. It irks me to no end when a player does that, but, in all fairness you can't, at least I can't, put that all on Mac. Sure, his job requires that he be a good judge of character but my many, many years of dealing with the public and people from all walks of life has taught me that some people are so expert at being a deceiver that it's extremely difficult for even the best judges of character to be right a large percent of the time. Frankly, that's more the fault of the have no honor type of players that intermittently show up in this league. I do agree with you on keeping that #3 pick and drafting a long time needed difference making edge rusher. For my money you just can't pass up that opportunity even though we still have important holes to fill on offense which is where I want them to concentrate the most of their updating this off season.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Macc has only hit on two good players in the draft? Darnold and Adams?

Chris Herndon, Leonard Williams, Jordan Jenkins, Brandon Shell, Elijah McGuire, Lac Edwards, and Marcus Maye. Plus, we don’t know yet about players like Shepherd, Fortukasi, Nickerson, or Clark.