Quinnen Williams or Montez Sweat?

[Green Jets & Ham]

Let's imagine the worse case scenario at 1 and 2, Bosa and Allen are selected with those picks and we CANNOT find a viable trade down partner.

Who are you picking at #3 for the Jets, Quinnen Williams or Montez Sweat (assuming the heart thing is nothing serious)?

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Let's imagine the worse case scenario at 1 and 2, Bosa and Allen are selected with those picks and we CANNOT find a viable trade down partner.

Who are you picking at #3 for the Jets, Quinnen Williams or Montez Sweat (assuming the heart thing is nothing serious)?

Sweat seems like the obvious choice based on need. But I’ve read some projections of Williams as 3-4 DE. Leonard Williams, Quinnen Williams and Henry Anderson would be the rotation at DE. Not bad.

Plus, value wise there is not much doubt that Williams is a better prospect than Sweat. I’ve not seen one mock draft dispute that. I’d be shocked if Macc took Sweat over Williams.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Sweat seems like the obvious choice based on need. But I’ve read some projections of Williams as 3-4 DE. Leonard Williams, Quinnen Williams and Henry Anderson would be the rotation at DE. Not bad.

Plus, value wise there is not much doubt that Williams is a better prospect than Sweat. I’ve not seen one mock draft dispute that. I’d be shocked if Macc took Sweat over Williams.

I watched Sweat a few times and he leaped off the screen to me. We have to get a pass rush. Quinnen might just be another Leonard and we can't take that risk.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I wouldn't even be mad at Sweat over Allen.

 

[Gramoah]

I suspect that Sweat's heart condition issue, whatever it is, will be completely cleared up before draft day. If I was a team owner I would want to know and if I am Sweat I would want to make certain that the issue wasn't going to be a hindrance in the draft. It only makes sense for all sides to get it resolved. That being said, and the heart not being a problem, I think the edge goes to him over Williams by a small margin. It's a mute point though Ham, because the Jets are getting Allen with the #3 pick in the 2019 NFL Draft.:global (5):

 

[DonMaynard]

Williams will provide pressure no matter where he lines up. if not Bosa or Allen (my choice would be Allen) I just can’t see passing on Williams. He is a beast, and we would be crazy to pass up on such a talent., who by many accounts, is the best player in the draft.

 

[jets82]

TUFF question, WOW real tuff!!! If we can't trade down in a scenario like this and I would really want them to trade down then I say draft Sweat. I personal don't want Q. Williams AT ALL! Not saying he isn't worth the #3 pick and he won't be great but I'm so DAMN tired of the Jets drafting these 300 pound d-linemen in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounds. If not that then it's a cornerback or safety their drafting in those rounds. Now I understand we need defensive back and d-linemen help but we need an edge rusher/OLB more then we need an d-linemen. So unless Q. Williams is going to turn out to be a Reggie White or J.J. Watt or Aaron Donald, we'll do better drafting Sweat. Q. Williams will most likely turn out to be another L. Williams, not saying that's a bad thing but do we really need another one of him? We haven't had a half-way decent edge rusher since John Abraham and we can surely use that again!!!

 

[NewMFS62]

So unless Q. Williams is going to turn out to be a Reggie White

No. The difference is if the Jets drafted him, he would play for the Jets, unlike that reprehensible slug who had a press conference to say he would sign with the Jets, then fly out of town the next day and sign with the Packers.
Later

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Williams will provide pressure no matter where he lines up. if not Bosa or Allen (my choice would be Allen) I just can’t see on passing on Williams. He is a beast, and we would be crazy to pass up on such a talent., who by many accounts, is the best player in the draft.

Agree

Need is one thing, but passing on one of the top 2-3 players in the draft is nuts. Some very credible draft observers feel like he’s #1 in terms of talent. I just don’t see a scenario where we pass on him if Bosa and Allen are off the board. Sweat is a nice player, but not in the same tier as Q.Williams.

 

[AFA2017]

Sweat would be nice as we need a ER in the worst way.

 

[LIJETFAN]

I would tend to agree that if Allen and Bosa are gone, and comes to Williams or Sweat, it's probably going to be Williams, who is the better prospect. Here's an interesting scenario, what if Allen and Williams are gone, and it comes down to Bosa and Sweat - I would take Sweat in that scenario.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Williams will provide pressure no matter where he lines up. if not Bosa or Allen (my choice would be Allen) I just can’t see on passing on Williams. He is a beast, and we would be crazy to pass up on such a talent., who by many accounts, is the best player in the draft.

I heard that about our current Williams as well.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

The only scenario where I’m good with taking Sweat is in a trade back. It’s pretty revealing that most mocks and prognosticators have four of the first five picks being Kyler Murray, Nick Bosa, Josh Allen and Quinnen Williams.

Sweat is getting projected mostly in the 6-15 range. That’s not to say these projections are always right, but again it’s revealing. I don’t think there’s any way any of these guys are getting bypassed by Sweat.

But stranger things have happened.

 

[Bigmoe]

Sweat would be a reach at the 3rd pick

no

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Here's an interesting scenario, what if Allen and Williams are gone, and it comes down to Bosa and Sweat - I would take Sweat in that scenario.

It would take brass balls because you know the media and fans will tear you a new ass, but IMO it's the right move if we are staying in a base 3-4.

As a 4-3 DE Bosa might be the best player in the draft, no lower than #2 if Quinnen Williams is #1 as he is on my big board.

BUT, as a 3-4 RUSH OLB, IMO Allen, Sweat AND Brian Burns are all better fits.

None of them grade out higher than Bosa if you simply grade prospects and disregard schemes, but if you are taking schemes into account, Bosa is my #1 4-3 DE, Allen is my #1 3-4 OLB and Sweat and Burns may be better fits at 3-4 OLB than Bosa too.

 

[SackExchange]

Williams is the better player. Sweat is the better pick.

That said, with a choice of QBs, the best option might be to deal.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

It would take brass balls because you know the media and fans will tear you a new ass, but IMO it's the right move if we are staying in a base 3-4.

As a 4-3 DE Bosa might be the best player in the draft, no lower than #2 if Quinnen Williams is #1 as he is on my big board.

BUT, as a 3-4 RUSH OLB, IMO Allen, Sweat AND Brian Burns are all better fits.

None of them grade out higher than Bosa if you simply grade prospects and disregard schemes, but if you are taking schemes into account, Bosa is my #1 4-3 DE, Allen is my #1 3-4 OLB and Sweat and Burns may be better fits at 3-4 OLB than Bosa too.

Assuming we stay at #3, it’s going to come down to value. So unless the Jets draft board is different than virtually everybody else, Sweat doesn’t get taken there. I’d say the odds are near 100% that one of the top three defensive studs is the pick. The medical issue, no matter how serious it is, will probably drop Sweat at least a little bit, too.

But Macc would be wise to explore moves back with no 2nd rounder. If they really like Sweat or another prospect, and a trade that nets a huge return presents itself, we’re having a different discussion.

 

[LIJETFAN]

It would take brass balls because you know the media and fans will tear you a new ass, but IMO it's the right move if we are staying in a base 3-4.

As a 4-3 DE Bosa might be the best player in the draft, no lower than #2 if Quinnen Williams is #1 as he is on my big board.

BUT, as a 3-4 RUSH OLB, IMO Allen, Sweat AND Brian Burns are all better fits.

None of them grade out higher than Bosa if you simply grade prospects and disregard schemes, but if you are taking schemes into account, Bosa is my #1 4-3 DE, Allen is my #1 3-4 OLB and Sweat and Burns may be better fits at 3-4 OLB than Bosa too.

I agree that Sweat is a better fit in the 3-4, and Burns is as well. He's climbing a bit. Bosa looks more like a 4-3 End. He too slow to play as a 3-4 OLB. I also agree that in that scenario - Bosa vs. Sweat - trading down probably makes sense.

 

[hobson54]

i find it hard to believe under this scenario that the jets couldn't find a trade down - either for a team looking for their choice of QB or a team looking at possibly the best player in the draft (williams) sitting there at 3.

that said, if no trade can be found, i take the best player in williams. especially with the medical flag on sweat.

 

[AFA2017]

i find it hard to believe under this scenario that the jets couldn't find a trade down - either for a team looking for their choice of QB or a team looking at possibly the best player in the draft (williams) sitting there at 3.

that said, if no trade can be found, i take the best player in williams. especially with the medical flag on sweat.

Either way, Macc will be on uneasy ground from Jet fans.