I hope Gase and the Jets don't end up doing what the Giants have done!

[jets82]

I don't want to make this into a race thing but lets not ignore the potential elephant in the room here. There is a current story going and a ex-Giant player, Landon Collins spoke out that the Giants got rid of all the best and most out spoken players this off-season. Players like OBJ, himself and Snacks and more and most, if not all of these players are black. Lets just forget all the other players and just focus on OBJ, how in the HELL do you trade a player like that for anything or anyone??? Other then a QB and (I'm just throwing out a scenario here because we all know how bad they need a QB) but other than a QB like Mahomes, Luck, Watson or Wentz, how do you trade OBJ for anyone other then a young franchise QB? That is just asinine in itself! So whether it's about race or not, it is VERY peculiar whats going on with the Giants and its sorta always been that way with them.

Speaking of a QB and correct me if I'm wrong here, has the Giants ever drafting a black QB? No they haven't and they had one that was considered the best in the draft this year but they choice Jones instead. I personally believe the Giants will regret to there dying days that they didn't draft Haskins. Last year they could justify not drafting any QB at #2, to some sorts because they drafted a future first ballot HOFer RB in Barkley. They can't justify this other than Haskins totally flopping in the league and washing out after about three years and Jones becoming a first ballot HOFer and what's the chances of either happening? Even if it did it will still always be said that the Giants could have drafted Jones in the second round. Have the Giants ever started a black QB, other then starting Geno that one game and that changed quickly! Yeah, Geno didn't play well but Eli is done and anyone can see that. So why bench Geno after that one game?

Which brings us to the Jets and HC Adam Gase. Our Jets have NEVER been known (to my knowledge) as a racist, or rather a team that was opposed to strong minded/out spoken players of any race. Even those that were worthy of being paid top dollar. They've drafted and started quite a few black QB's. This was all pre-Gase but now that he is here and the rumors are swirling about him not wanting to pay Bell and Mosely, should that be a worry for us fans? Now we all know most coaches don't want to pay top dollar but most coaches don't get rid or want to get rid of all their top players. Well we can see that Gase did that with the Dolphins and I must admit, that concerns me abit! I'm hoping and praying that in the long run, whatever happened in Miami was just Miami and Gase will smooth this out with Jets players but will he? They say Gase is a "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY TYPE PERSONALITY TO THE MAX" and that isn't going to work well with most top players.

ALL IN ALL, I'm not calling in insinuating that Adam Gase is a racist but he definitely seems to not want to deal with blatant or potential out spoken and strong-minded personality type players and that's exactly what the Giants are doing. Thoughts!!!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Most of the players are black so most of the players being outspoken are black which in turn means most black people might think race has something to do with it. I personally don't think so at all.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

To me Gase is a breath of fresh air after Bowles. I don't know if it will work, but nothing has ever worked before and we won 14 games in 3 years so I highly doubt it can be worse.

 

[biggerdan]

Sorry, I don't think we need a thread like this on this board.

 

[jets82]

Sorry, I don't think we need a thread like this on this board.

I understand you feel this way and I really don’t want to make this into a race thing. In fact, I shouldn’t have even made a comparison with Gase and the Giants in my beginning thread. So please forgive me if I have indirectly insinuated Gase in that light but I’m just pointing out facts here or what appears be facts. We can’t ignore what the Giants have done this off season and ignore the fact that Gase pretty much did the same in Miami. Not that hard to say it isn’t similar to an extent. Gase traded and/or cut a lot of the top players in Miami (whether white or black). Doesn’t that concern you a bit? It does to me!

Now I was all for it when the Jets hired Gase but I didn’t initially know or pay attention to his track record. Now that the Jets fired Mac and Gase seems to be the main culprit behind it, what now? I’m not saying the Mac didn’t deserve to get fired but that should have happened when Bowles got fired. This Mac firing seems to go along with the this cut throat, my way or the highway type attitude of Gase, and I just don’t want that back firing on our team. He has his work cut out for him even before the first game in smoothing this all out. Once again, this doesn’t have to be a race thing but it’s definitely a thing of not wanting to pay top dollar for out spoken and strong minded players that are extremely talented of ANY RACE! That’s an issue for me!

 

[jets82]

To me Gase is a breath of fresh air after Bowles. I don't know if it will work, but nothing has ever worked before and we won 14 games in 3 years so I highly doubt it can be worse.

That’s definitely another way of looking at it.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I understand you feel this way and I really don’t want to make this into a race thing. In fact, I shouldn’t have even made a comparison with Gase and the Giants in my beginning thread. So please forgive me if I have indirectly insinuated Gase in that light but I’m just pointing out facts here or what appears be facts. We can’t ignore what the Giants have done this off season and ignore the fact that Gase pretty much did the same in Miami. Not that hard to say it isn’t similar to an extent. Gase traded and/or cut a lot of the top players in Miami (whether white or black). Doesn’t that concern you a bit? It does to me!

Now I was all for it when the Jets hired Gase but I didn’t initially know or pay attention to his track record. Now that the Jets fired Mac and Gase seems to be the main culprit behind it, what now? I’m not saying the Mac didn’t deserve to get fired but that should have happened when Bowles got fired. This Mac firing seems to go along with the this cut throat, my way or the highway type attitude of Gase, and I just don’t want that back firing on our team. He has his work cut out for him even before the first game in smoothing this all out. Once again, this doesn’t have to be a race thing but it’s definitely a thing of not wanting to pay top dollar for out spoken and strong minded players that are extremely talented of ANY RACE! That’s an issue for me!

It will concern me when Gase cuts Darnold. So far he hasn't cut anyone or traded anyone that is worth a shit so I consider it just dead weight. And to me, getting rid of Mac was a brilliant move. So far he has done a good job.

 

[Gramoah]

I haven't read anywhere that Gase doesn't want to play Bell or Mosely. I've heard that he didn't like how much they are getting paid but never heard he didn't want to play them. I must not be reading the right places. As for race effecting his decisions I think not. You do know that the receiver he just signed, Deonte Thompson, is black,.........right ? I agree with biggerdan. We don't need this kind of noise. The jets have enough other subjects to talk about as it is.

 

[jets82]

I haven't read anywhere that Gase doesn't want to play Bell or Mosely. I've heard that he didn't like how much they are getting paid but never heard he didn't want to play them. I must not be reading the right places. As for race effecting his decisions I think not. You do know that the receiver he just signed, Deonte Thompson, is black,.........right ? I agree with biggerdan. We don't need this kind of noise. The jets have enough other subjects to talk about as it is.

You just don’t get it and neither does biggerdan and maybe that’s because I’m not making my points clear enough, so allow me to do this again! This topic once again isn’t about race and I apologize for making it seem that way. I’m not insinuating that Gase is racist or doesn’t want to play or doesn’t like black players but what I am saying or clearly insinuating is Gase doesn’t seem to want to pay and have certain types of players on his team, OF ANY RACE!

No you didn’t read anywhere that Gase doesn’t want to play Bell or Mosely. Ofcourse he would want to play them, he just didn’t want to pay them and that to me isn’t even an issue because once again most head coaches would feel that way. What worries me is if top notch players like Bell or Mosely start to become our spoken and give him issues with how he plays them or other team related issues, then what happens? I’ve said it before that it’s well known or it appears Gase is a my way or the highway guy, TO THE MAX and if you don’t vibe with that then it appears your gone.

Thats what it appears he did with top players of any race in Miami and I’m a little concerned that he’ll do the same here. If I’m right then what happens if even the younger players that are top talent like Adams or Herndon or Williams (either one) or Enunwa gives him an issues? Is he going to do the same to them? Yes I do know that Deonte Thompson is black but hell probably never even see the field. I’m talking about the key players. Top notch guys at any position of any race.

I don’t think he’ll do this to Darnold. Not because Darnold is white but because he is our franchise QB and Gase is a QB guy. So Gase and Darnold should probably get along fine. It’s the other top notch position players of any race that I’m concerned with.

 

[butterscotch]

Sorry, I don't think we need a thread like this on this board.

I agree but I respect his right to post this. My dad knew the owner of the Giants & I have never seen them as

racist. ​

 

[Gramoah]

You just don’t get don’t get it and neither does biggerdan and maybe that’s because I’m not making my points clear enough, so allow me to do this again! This topic once again isn’t about race and I apologize for making it seem that way. I’m not insinuating that Gase is racist or doesn’t want to play or doesn’t like black players but what I am saying or clearly insinuating is Gase doesn’t seem to want to pay and have certain types of players on his team, OF ANY RACE!

No you didn’t read anywhere that Gase doesn’t want to play Bell or Mosely. Ofcourse he would want to play them, he just didn’t want to pay them and that to me isn’t even an issue because once again most head coaches would feel that way. What worries me is if top notch players like Bell or Mosely start to become our spoken and give him issues with how he plays them or other team related issues, then what happens? I’ve said it before that it’s well known or it appears Gase is a my way or the highway guy, TO THE MAX and if you don’t vibe with that then it appears your gone.

Thats what it appears he did with top players of any race in Miami and I’m a little concerned that he’ll do the same here. If I’m right then what happens if even the younger players that are top talent like Adams or Herndon or Williams (either one) or Enunwa gives him an issues? Is he going to do the same to them? Yes I do know that Deonte Thompson is black but hell probably never even see the field. I’m talking about the key players. Top notch guys at any position of any race.

I don’t think he’ll do this to Darnold. Not because Darnold is white but because he is our franchise QB and Gase is a QB guy. So Gase and Darnold should probably get along fine. It’s the other top notch position players of any race that I’m concerned with.

I think I understand what you're getting at. Not paying them would be not playing them, because they wouldn't be here otherwise. I think perhaps, because we know he was unhappy about how much they were getting paid he might decide to get rid of them but I don't think he would go that far. His "it's my way or the highway" attitude as I understood it was mostly about character problems, things like not showing up for meetings or being late for practices and so forth and giving poor effort. I don't think that is a bad attitude for a coach to have. I'm sure Bell, for instance, might feel at some point that he is not getting enough touches, but situations like that happen with all teams and coaches and can usually be resolved satisfactorily. I don't think it will be as much of a concern as all that. His main problem in Miami was that the team suffered a lot of injuries and it was difficult to field a healthy team.

 

[jets82]

I think I understand what you're getting at. Not paying them would be not playing them, because they wouldn't be here otherwise. I think perhaps, because we know he was unhappy about how much they were getting paid he might decide to get rid of them but I don't think he would go that far. His "it's my way or the highway" attitude as I understood it was mostly about character problems, things like not showing up for meetings or being late for practices and so forth and giving poor effort. I don't think that is a bad attitude for a coach to have. I'm sure Bell, for instance, might feel at some point that he is not getting enough touches, but situations like that happen with all teams and coaches and can usually be resolved satisfactorily. I don't think it will be as much of a concern as all that. His main problem in Miami was that the team suffered a lot of injuries and it was difficult to field a healthy team.

I hope your right and this is pretty much exactly where I was going with this. To quote you, "I think perhaps, because we know he was unhappy about how much they were getting paid he might decide to get rid of them." This here is my main concern with Gase. Players with talents like Bell and Mosely will ask for top dollar because their worth that kind of money and the market will dictate they get paid that way.

Most head coaches like Gase will be hesitant to pay top dollar and that is also understood. In the long run, you can't pay and keep everyone and Seattle is a perfect example of that. Every team rosters will change every year but my concern is will Gase want to get rid of top players that aren't towing his company or team line, per say? That's what he did pretty much in Miami, why shouldn't we think he won't do it here? Only time will tell I guess!

Like you said, his issues with top players in Miami may have been mostly about character problems, things like not showing up for meetings or being late for practices and so forth and giving poor effort. If that's the case then I understand him getting rid of any player. Bell and Mosely have never been those kind of players. Nether does it appear our younger top players like Adams, Herndon, Enunwa etc-etc... So when it comes time to paying these guys he better pay who he can and keep this team together. Not tear it apart!!!

 

[cheaterhater]

I can think of another "my way or the highwAy coach " and he wins the superbowl every year. Thing is , for it to work , Gase needs to win from the start so players believe in him and that may not happen

Belichick had a little bit extra in his corner when he started. He walked into a patriots team that had a lot of "Parcells guys"on it and year 2 he brought in just about every "Parcells guy" from the Jets, plus just about Parcells entire coaching staff. Take all that and sprinkle in a little, or maybe a lot, of cheating and he was quickly winning a lot of games.

Gase comes into a Jet organization that is used to losing and used to being in a state of disarray. Gase has much less of a chance for success. Factor in that millennial s don't respond well to " my way or highway " attitudes.

If we don't come out of the blocks winning, this will blow up fast

I factored out the race stuff because it has nothing to do with anything and I don't think jets82 thought it meant anything either

 

[Oraelo]

Sorry, I don't think we need a thread like this on this board.

Agree 100%. No need for this trash.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

You just don’t get it and neither does biggerdan and maybe that’s because I’m not making my points clear enough, so allow me to do this again! This topic once again isn’t about race and I apologize for making it seem that way. I’m not insinuating that Gase is racist or doesn’t want to play or doesn’t like black players but what I am saying or clearly insinuating is Gase doesn’t seem to want to pay and have certain types of players on his team, OF ANY RACE!

No you didn’t read anywhere that Gase doesn’t want to play Bell or Mosely. Ofcourse he would want to play them, he just didn’t want to pay them and that to me isn’t even an issue because once again most head coaches would feel that way. What worries me is if top notch players like Bell or Mosely start to become our spoken and give him issues with how he plays them or other team related issues, then what happens? I’ve said it before that it’s well known or it appears Gase is a my way or the highway guy, TO THE MAX and if you don’t vibe with that then it appears your gone.

Thats what it appears he did with top players of any race in Miami and I’m a little concerned that he’ll do the same here. If I’m right then what happens if even the younger players that are top talent like Adams or Herndon or Williams (either one) or Enunwa gives him an issues? Is he going to do the same to them? Yes I do know that Deonte Thompson is black but hell probably never even see the field. I’m talking about the key players. Top notch guys at any position of any race.

I don’t think he’ll do this to Darnold. Not because Darnold is white but because he is our franchise QB and Gase is a QB guy. So Gase and Darnold should probably get along fine. It’s the other top notch position players of any race that I’m concerned with.

Well there is nothing wrong with being outspoken, but there is also nothing wrong with keeping your mouth shut and buy into the system. Gase is the HC and boss. Do what you're told or be gone.

 

[jets82]

i can think of another "my way or the highway coach " and he wins the superbowl every year. Thing is , for it to work , gase needs to win from the start so players believe in him and that may not happen

belichick had a little bit extra in his corner when he started. He walked into a patriots team that had a lot of "parcells guys"on it and year 2 he brought in just about every "parcells guy" from the jets, plus just about parcells entire coaching staff. Take all that and sprinkle in a little, or maybe a lot, of cheating and he was quickly winning a lot of games.

Gase comes into a jet organization that is used to losing and used to being in a state of disarray. Gase has much less of a chance for success. Factor in that millennial s don't respond well to " my way or highway " attitudes.

If we don't come out of the blocks winning, this will blow up fast

i factored out the race stuff because it has nothing to do with anything and i don't think jets82 thought it meant anything either

Exactly, Thank You!

 

[jets82]

Agree 100%. No need for this trash.

Trash huh, WHATEVER!!! I tell you what will be trash is if Gase doesn't handle this correctly, he tears this team apart and it blows up in his face. Let me make this straight, I'm rooting for Gase and want this to all work out but forgive me for pointing out what appears to be the obvious here. Gase is coming to a team with some very good talent. Some even top tier talent in Bell, Mosely and Adams for example. He has a young OB on a rookie contract. Darnold appears to a franchise QB and Gase is a QB guru supposedly. So he's coming to a team that has ALOT more talent then what Miami did and he has to come out the gates winning. If he doesn't do that immediately or at least eventually and blows this team up instead of build this into a winner then that and he will be trash, not this thread. SORRY ONCE AGAIN FOR POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS!!!

 

[jets82]

Most of the players are black so most of the players being outspoken are black which in turn means most black people might think race has something to do with it. I personally don't think so at all.

This hits on it exactly and I would agree as far as Gase goes. The Giants I'm not so sure but that's neither here nor there. As for Gase, players like Bell is a great example of what I'm talking about. Bell is outspoken and strong-minded but when it comes to playing he will be there, ready to go and he'll give it his all. That's all that should matter in the long run and players like that you don't get rid of them, you pay them!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Trash huh, WHATEVER!!! I tell you what will be trash is if Gase doesn't handle this correctly, he tears this team apart and it blows up in his face. Let me make this straight, I'm rooting for Gase and want this to all work out but forgive me for pointing out what appears to be the obvious here. Gase is coming to a team with some very good talent. Some even top tier talent in Bell, Mosely and Adams for example. He has a young OB on a rookie contract. Darnold appears to a franchise QB and Gase is a QB guru supposedly. So he's coming to a team that has ALOT more talent then what Miami did and he has to come out the gates winning. If he doesn't do that immediately or at least eventually and blows this team up instead of build this into a winner then that and he will be trash, not this thread. SORRY ONCE AGAIN FOR POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS!!!

Lets also remember he needs to rid this team of some trash. Mac built a loser. Gase is trying to change that. I have no idea if it will work. What do we have to lose to try a different approach. If it doesn't work then we will be a 4-12 team.

 

[jets82]

Lets also remember he needs to rid this team of some trash. Mac built a loser. Gase is trying to change that. I have no idea if it will work. What do we have to lose to try a different approach. If it doesn't work then we will be a 4-12 team.

TCT, we have to talk about this Mac thing. Mac wasn’t as bad as you and so many others have made him out to be. I mean look at the team he has build so far. Gase is now the HC of a team that is or should be a potential playoff team. Mac build that, not Adam Gase. Now this probably could be a SB caliber team if Mac would have drafted better. I’ll admit but let’s look at what Mac done.

Mac drafted Adams, Darnold, both Williams. Yes they were first rounders and fell in his lap and any GM would have drafted them, I’ll admit. Mac traded up to get Darnold and we have to give him credit for that. Mac drafted not so obvious premier players like Maye, R. Anderson (I believe) and Herndon. He’s drafted a third rounder this year who was a projected first rounder and Polite just might solve our edge rushing issue.

Mac signed Bell, Mosely, Williamson and traded for Osemele. Mac handed over a very formidable team to Gase and how does Gase thank him, by getting him fired! Should Mac have been fired? I won’t argue that but it should have been done when Bowles was fired. Not after he’s conducted 75 percent of the teams off season moves and hires the HC that sealed his fate. If Gase really did get Mac fired then that is a cut throat move that there aren’t many words for!

This team better not be a 4-12 team this year because Mac actually has build a winner. If Gase doesn’t win with this team it’s his fault, not Mac’s.