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Remember we all say Wilson will get better but so may Jones. Plus how many other very good to great qbs are they now in the NFL those teams may improve too. Four or five lets say two of those get good teams under them.
 

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You watched that Bills/Chiefs game and think this Jets team can play a game like that? Well their defense sure can, but they don't have anyone on offense that can do any of those things. I hope they have a big jump, but I still think they are the worst team in the East next year. We need to see if JD can bring in some talent, but I just see this team as being 5 years away especially with a GM that has one bad draft and one good. Sure this team can catch a team sleeping like the Titans and Bengals, but watching those two teams play a game like that made me more discouraged than ever.
Let’s just say that it was the Jets defense playing the way buffalo’s did on last evening. I wonder what this fan base would be saying today .
Our team played a game against the Bengals with Jamar Chase in the lineup and we did well on defense . We played that same Bills team a few weeks before and we did much better than what was shown by the Chiefs defensively. We played the Bucs and we did well defensively. Our team is not near finished being assembled and we supposedly caught these teams all sleeping .
I have been saying the same exact thing from the beginning but all everyone wants to talk about is building an offense . 2 offensive teams squared off on yesterday and neither of them remembered to pack their defense. The results were 30 points within 2 minutes. Without a complete team and regardless whether they took us likely or not we played them closely. I like our chances going forward .
 

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Let’s just say that it was the Jets defense playing the way buffalo’s did on last evening. I wonder what this fan base would be saying today .
Our team played a game against the Bengals with Jamar Chase in the lineup and we did well on defense . We played that same Bills team a few weeks before and we did much better than what was shown by the Chiefs defensively. We played the Bucs and we did well defensively. Our team is not near finished being assembled and we supposedly caught these teams all sleeping .
I have been saying the same exact thing from the beginning but all everyone wants to talk about is building an offense . 2 offensive teams squared off on yesterday and neither of them remembered to pack their defense. The results were 30 points within 2 minutes. Without a complete team and regardless whether they took us likely or not we played them closely. I like our chances going forward .

I'm hoping you are right. JD has no excuses as far as I'm concerned. He has tons of money and draft picks. A complete turnaround next year should be expected. Not baby steps.
 

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I'm hoping you are right. JD has no excuses as far as I'm concerned. He has tons of money and draft picks. A complete turnaround next year should be expected. Not baby steps.
And that’s the problem . How exactly are you supposed to have a complete turnaround when you’re starting a bunch of kids and bringing them into your system for the first time . Before yesterday, I knew who Gabriel Davis was, but he never had a game or even a semblance of a game like he did on yesterday .
On defense, how do you not double Hill and Kelcie in overtime with 13 seconds left in the game ? If anyone is going to beat you it ought not be the 2 best receiving players on the opposing team . Yesterday I felt like those games were written by a Hollywood producer .
 

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And that’s the problem . How exactly are you supposed to have a complete turnaround when you’re starting a bunch of kids and bringing them into your system for the first time . Before yesterday, I knew who Gabriel Davis was, but he never had a game or even a semblance of a game like he did on yesterday .
On defense, how do you not double Hill and Kelcie in overtime with 13 seconds left in the game ? If anyone is going to beat you it ought not be the 2 best receiving players on the opposing team . Yesterday I felt like those games were written by a Hollywood producer .

Well Gabriel was drafted 4 spots after JD drafted his Hackenberg.
 

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How delusional were Buffalo fans after Josh Allen's rookie year while Buffalo only went 6-10 while Josh Allen only had a QB Rating of 67.9?

We just won 4 games before heading into an Offseason with A.) Top 5 A+ available salary cap space and B.) A++ draft capital featuring two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, one 3rd round pick, two 4th round picks and two 5th round picks ala 9 picks within just the first 5 rounds alone.

I think the only delusional fans are the Jets fans who don't realize nor comprehend that Joe Douglas has us in position to strike moving forward (and that it's a process that doesn't happen over night).

@Tinstar you are not delusional man. You know you're Football dude.

Yeah we won 4 fucking games. Why do some people see this as an accomplishment?
 

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Yeah we won 4 fucking games. Why do some people see this as an accomplishment?
It’s like looking at highlights and deciding that the player is a first day pick . Perception vs reality . It’s not about the 4 games we won but how we played the entire season .
 

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It’s like looking at highlights and deciding that the player is a first day pick . Perception vs reality . It’s not about the 4 games we won but how we played the entire season .

They got blown out in 1/3 of their games. They had 4 wins and 2 of those vs NFL teams with the other two vs HS rosters. They played well in 2-3 other games. The rest of their losses I would say they played as expected.
 

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Will you stop harping about that draft . It was made for a completely different coaching staff with a completely different game plan .

For a coach he knew he would fire. So we can't count year one or the first draft. Can someone tell me when we should start counting JD's record?
 

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We beat two playoff teams in Tennessee and Cincinnati and also went pound for pound with the defending Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers and forced Brady to beat us during a last second drive.

I witnessed the 1-15 turnaround of 1996 to 9-7 of 1997 and I've also witnessed plenty of other NFL teams make turnarounds into perennial playoff contenders.

If you want to pretend that the Jets are stuck in purgatory for eternity without giving Joe Douglas even 3 offseasons to turn around Maccagnan's blunders well then that's your right but plesse don't expect other Jets fans to not be super excited about our future under JD/ZW/Saleh moving forward.

Then why do you have boner when we won only 2 more games. Turnarounds can be done quickly. If Wilson is a FQB it will speed it up, but I just think it should be ok to question JD besides just his obvious health decisions. I've never told anyone not to be excited. I just don't get excited over two more wins. Some have said we won twice as many. Well then I expect 16-1 in 2023.
 
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Can't call 2020 as a bust when Mekhi Becton's story has yet to be written and Bryce Hall looks to be an absolute stud.

It's called player development.

And I've been tough on Denzel Mims too but if he ever breaks out he'll make me look like an idiot.

Is Wirfs a bust? Because he failed to remain healthy and failed to protect Tom Brady vs. the Rams 😁

So we should expect 1-2 players per draft to be studs?? Its going to be 2030 before we are competitive at that rate. Wirfs missed one game not a whole season and many games in first year. Becton is a bust until he proves otherwise.
 

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Ok dude. You win.

We should've kept your core together of Mike Maccagnan, Adam Gase, Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold together because clearly that awesome fantastic 4 is what you enjoyed and where Football was going 😉

You win.

But where is Mike Maccagnan, Sam Darnold, Jamal Adams and Adam Gase now and what about LeVeon Bell too? 😁

I'm not saying he shouldn't have blown it up, but what he does with those assets are what I'm questioning. So far I'm not impressed with anything other than the assets he has procured and the money he has been able to amass. We will see what he does this year, but it needs to be a major turnaround not just 2 more wins.
 

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For a coach he knew he would fire. So we can't count year one or the first draft. Can someone tell me when we should start counting JD's record?
The job of a GM as far as I understand it is to work together with the HC and acquire players that support the vision of that HC . Let’s say you are 100% right and JD knew he was firing Gase . He would also have had to know he would be hiring Saleah and the coaching staff we currently have and drafted players to fit what plan they would institute going forward. .
I said it before but maybe you missed it . I don’t believe that this coaching staff would have chosen Becton over Wirfs based on the type of scheme we run . Also if I am not mistaken, Witfs plays RT while Becton plays LT when he plays . As has been proven by Fant this season, some players do better on certain sides .
JD got the OT. Adam Gase wanted as was his job
 
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