i whole heartedly agree with you, but the gist of my post was that it wasn't "the flash" that he showed off last year; it was being a nerdy book worm that caught my attention.
Zach compared to the other young star/superstar QBs
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i whole heartedly agree with you, but the gist of my post was that it wasn't "the flash" that he showed off last year; it was being a nerdy book worm that caught my attention.
IMO, he better win this one because that team is getting old and can't keep everyone forever.
I initially liked your post until I read the entire thing. Burrow you can last year is a franchise guy but I disagree totally about Zach. He’s shown flashes of being that dude. He just needs to learn the game more, play more under control and of course get better weapons and protection.
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We just don't know yet ...for me I see a little boy in a candy shop with his candy. Lets see him grow into a man
I would never expect you to agree with one of my posts, but I saw a QB decrease his turnovers while still bouncing passes to RB's. He is all we have at the moment. We all have hope while some have more than others. The newest excuse for Wilson is that he is not 25 years old. Give him all the weapons we can because we should build this team for Wilson or whatever QB replaces him if he fails to develop.
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after the 2nd Miami game, the worm burners were gone. the only time he threw a pass that skipped to a receiver was to Jeff Smith, who lined up in the wrong post, then ran the wrong route, and was blanketed by the time #2 could pass it to him; he intentionally killed the play.
you do make a good point about weapons for Zach. the thing the Zach Optimists are seeing is that he is truly committed to the offense so when these weapons come on board, he can be more assertive within it with receivers who can actually catch.
YOUR RIGHT, 9 times out of 10, I WILL NEVER AGREE WITH ANY OF YOUR POST! However, Burrow did show outright and distinct signs of being a franchise QB his rookie year. So did J. Herbert, Cam Newton, D. Marino, D. Watson, R. Wilson and a few others.
Than again, other franchise QBs struggled their first year or outright looked like garbage: J. Elway, T. Aikman, P. Manning, E. Manning, D. Breez, J. Allen and many more. So if all these guys can do it so can Wilson. Then you have the garbage ass QBs that never panned out like your boy Darnold!
for me it's simple.....I've never seen a more talented rookie Jet QB.....this kid is a difference maker who didn't have the advantage of playing on a big time college team or versus big time competition. His road was going to be longer than Burrow or Herbert or even Mac Jones. look at trey Lance, he has an even longer road than Zach and there is already talk he might not be ready next year.
What impressed me the most about Zach is what was advertised - his ability to learn from mistakes. What we saw at the end was a much better QB with much worse weapons.......which kept the stats down.......but he took care of the ball.....and I can't stress strong enough how vital that is and will be. The field is opening up to him and he knows the danger zones much better now. The rate of progression in that area was astounding given his beginning - the injury/time missed - the loss of weapons. I don't remember the last time a bad season ended and I wanted it to go on.......I came into season expecting him needing to grow a lot. loved watching his growth as a QB. I expect bigger things next year.
Don't sleep on how well this kid processes his reads.......and with that arm/elusiveness.......great things are ahead.
What impressed me the most about Zach is what was advertised - his ability to learn from mistakes. What we saw at the end was a much better QB with much worse weapons.......which kept the stats down.......but he took care of the ball.....and I can't stress strong enough how vital that is and will be. The field is opening up to him and he knows the danger zones much better now. The rate of progression in that area was astounding given his beginning - the injury/time missed - the loss of weapons. I don't remember the last time a bad season ended and I wanted it to go on.......I came into season expecting him needing to grow a lot. loved watching his growth as a QB. I expect bigger things next year.
Don't sleep on how well this kid processes his reads.......and with that arm/elusiveness.......great things are ahead.
Word for word on AL Woodall back on the 70s......just kidding.....I hope you sre right because just being good won't cut it for the next few yesrs
1.) I never took into consideration the big time competition factor, but that also means the teammate factor too. what he played against and was surrounded with had a longer learning curve built in...Great Point!!
2.) "The field is opening up to him"... yup...as opposed to purely game managers who do not even look for chunk plays because they are more concerned with a gain rather than a massive gain. This aspect is where i think he leap frogs Mac.
This post was pure gold.
I'd also like to add that Steve Young (BYU) struggled so bad during his first two NFL years to the point where Tampa Bay Buccaneers fans still to this day (rock his jersey down here in TB) and wish their Buccaneers Front Office would've never quit on him. How stupid can one be, to quit on a young Steve Young?
And I'd also like to add that...
Joe Montana.
Brett Favre.
Steve McNair.
Tom Brady.
Drew Brees.
Philip Rivers.
Aaron Rodgers.
Patrick Mahomes.
None of these QBs were even good enough to start as Rookies and/or they weren't thrown into the fire on an absolute crap team (as was Zach Wilson) and sat the bench during their Rookie seasons (unlike Zach Wilson).
I love the Sam Darnold mention. Because as an intelligent Football fan with an IQ for sports I couldn't care less how my QB looks during his 1st two years (when thrown into the fire on a crap team that's coming off of a crap 2-14 season with a brand new coaching staff) because it's all about QB years 3 and 4 for me as a fan. Years 3 & 4 are when I judge my QBs overall development and progress and then and only then; will I make my final decision on their overall true potential and max abilities/leadership moving forward.
Sam Darnold years 3 & 4 (combined).
• 6-17 overall (.260%).
• 460/770 (59.7%).
• 4,735 yards ( only 205 per game).
• 18 TDs/24 INTs.
• 29 Fumbles.
• QB Rating of 72.3 (even Tim Tebow's QBR = 75.3)
My final conclusion (4 years later) is that Sam Darnold needs...
WR 1: Jerry Rice.
WR 2: Randy Moss.
Slot: Wayne Chrebet.
WR 4: Terrell Owens.
WR 5: Ja'Marr Chase.
LT: Anthony Muñoz.
LG: Larry Allen.
C: Kevin Mawae.
RG: Bruce Matthews.
RT: Michael Oher.
TE 1: Tony Gonzalez.
TE 2: Antonio Gates.
FB: Mike Alstott.
RB: #20 Barry Sanders.
Just to look competent as a backup QB (@ best).
In all seriousness I'm excited to see Zach Wilson surrounded by a much improved Offense come his 2nd season next year but it's his 3rd and 4th years that I'm most fired up about. Because I think he'll emerge as Josh Allen emerged during Josh Allen's 3rd and 4th years (because Zach Wilson is just as talented as Josh Allen is).
i get why you "get into it" with other members.
a.) i liked the way you are looking forward to seeing Zach surrounded by players who will hopefully end up being like the list of players Sam needed to be a decent back up. but Sam goes to a dumpster fire, the fire gets worse each year, and he is the most definitely the cause.
b.) i like the way you eliminated Sam's first and second year stats; you know, the ones with ascending stats, and used the 3 and 4 year stats to veil your jabs at Sam supporters while "promoting Zach" (which was a very small portion of your post).
I hope Carolina gets a plan B at RB, they get a plan A at WR realizing Robbie is their B or even C, they get a plan A at TE, and they fortify their line.
I, personally, hope Sam's day isn't done. i would hate to see a really good kid get thrown into a fire, and have his career ended by PTSD; and that is not hyperbole. There are a ton of really good QB's who got shell shocked by being on bad teams, and couldn't recover after taking beatings; they just couldn't make it through progressions w/o "chucking and ducking".
I Beg Of You...please don't reply with page full of meaningless stats nobody cares about!!!
I concur.
That truly shows your ignorance because I'm right 1 out of 10 times and you are missing some pure gold. Unlike Darnold, all those QB's were given weapons and coaches for them to succeed. Darnold has never had that at any level of his career. Hopefully JD doesnt make that mistake with Wilson. It doesn't seem like he will. Whether he understands what talent is needed is still up for debate. He has this year and next to fix his mistakes and get this team close to playoff caliber. Then again Darnold is not on the Jets anymore. People need to move on. I know I'm not the one that brings him up and he has nothing to do with Wilson.
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This!
2018... 17 to 15 TD to Picks. 2865 Yards. 4-9 record as a starter.
2019... 19 to 13 TD to Picks. 3024 Yards. 7-6 record as a starter.
that looks like progress to me.
Just my opinion, but Sam's decline with us was mostly due to the rest of the league, especially BUFF, NE, and MIA having a full year of film on Gase + an even worse roster than his prior seasons.
I have no dog in the fight on Sam, but i do like him, and as stated, i hope he goes to a place where an organization (hopefully Carolina) is willing to let him develop while they complete a rebuild "or" he lands in a place like Trubisky did so he can develop like Rodgers, Rivers, and Mahommes had a chance to.
PS... you are a stat manipulator, not QB evaluator.
Funny...you are all about Burrow having a leg up because he is 25 in his 3rd year, while Sam is 25 going into his 5th...yet, he doesn't get the age defacto benefit.
if Carolina releases him...good for him! then he gets to decide the best place to resume his career. personally, i wouldn't mind him doing it with us backing up Zach. That would be the Brown trade for the Doctor on Steroids!!
I am too. I hope he doesn't fuck it up.
nothing you say upsets me... it's just impossible to keep up with pretzel logic.
Sam was jettisoned out, so if he came back, it wouldn't be a circus, because it would clearly be a back up role...would you call for him if #2 had a few bad games? however, he is young enough, and athletic enough, and talented enough to be a spot starter if #2 was injured.
Tebow was a joke and an insult to Sanchez because he wasn't an NFL QB...he was a sideshow that never should have been.
Well first of all you were a Darnold lover once as well despite all the stats about him being a turnover machine in college. You obviously aren't a QB evaluator.