A deeper dive into Bryce Hall

[Official Jets]

Bryce Hall in his 2nd year, first full season he posted:

11 Pass Deflections in single coverage. Ranked 2nd in the NFL.
6 forced incompletions on the red zone passes. 1st in the NFL.
16 Total Pass Deflections most of any Jets player since 2013, 1st against all 2nd year CBs and 6th in the entire NFL (2021)

Stats don't lie he is a CB1.

Jets Global

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Can't have enough talented CB's.

 

[Innocenti]

Bryce Hall in his 2nd year, first full season he posted:

11 Pass Deflections in single coverage. Ranked 2nd in the NFL.
6 forced incompletions on the red zone passes. 1st in the NFL.
16 Total Pass Deflections most of any Jets player since 2013, 1st against all 2nd year CBs and 6th in the entire NFL (2021)

Stats don't lie he is a CB1.

Jets Global

Stats don't lie but stats can be cherry-picked. Last season, he gave up a 106.6 QB rating against including a 63% completion percentage, 7 TDs to 0 ints. He''s not a #1.

 

[Tinstar]

Stats don't lie but stats can be cherry-picked. Last season, he gave up a 106.6 QB rating against including a 63% completion percentage, 7 TDs to 0 ints. He''s not a #1.

When you do what he did with our piss poor LBer play and non existent pass rush, I have to think better is ahead . Kid was a ball magnet at Virginia

 

[Official Jets]

Stats don't lie but stats can be cherry-picked. Last season, he gave up a 106.6 QB rating against including a 63% completion percentage, 7 TDs to 0 ints. He''s not a #1.

he is one player on a defense that all were learning a new playbook. understanding his role and expecting help over the top. he realized early there was none, so he did what he could to help this defense. now some of those numbers get accredited to him even though his role put him else where. he was sitting in short zone but the ball went over his head and the safety who was out of position didn't get credited for that reception and those yards. the true numbers against him are not as harsh as you are reporting through the Jets media score tab.

re-watch game highlights and you will see the difference in tabulation of actually plays on him to what they score to him.

if you are expecting a Darrelle Revis he is not, but the way you are tabulating the same stats that DJ Bieneme and Connor Hughes who seem to be lock n toe when bashing this team. They also learned early need a source I am your source and your mine.

 

[Innocenti]

he is one player on a defense that all were learning a new playbook. understanding his role and expecting help over the top. he realized early there was none, so he did what he could to help this defense. now some of those numbers get accredited to him even though his role put him else where. he was sitting in short zone but the ball went over his head and the safety who was out of position didn't get credited for that reception and those yards. the true numbers against him are not as harsh as you are reporting through the Jets media score tab.

re-watch game highlights and you will see the difference in tabulation of actually plays on him to what they score to him.

if you are expecting a Darrelle Revis he is not, but the way you are tabulating the same stats that DJ Bieneme and Connor Hughes who seem to be lock n toe when bashing this team. They also learned early need a source I am your source and your mine.

if you are expecting a Darrelle Revis he is not ... That's my whole point. He's not a CB1.

 

[Old#15]

if you are expecting a Darrelle Revis he is not ... That's my whole point. He's not a CB1.

Revis was an exceptional #1, and there are plenty of #1tier corners who aren't in Revis' class either. Provide Hall with good safety help and a pass rush and he can fill that role in Saleh's defense.

 

[Official Jets]

if you are expecting a Darrelle Revis he is not ... That's my whole point. He's not a CB1.

but you are placing that shelf on someone who put up key stats last year with less surrounding talent and in a new system. the statistics that are known put him in top echelon among his peers. adding talent with this group having a full year in this system will only improve his overall value. the first year was the evaluation season, not the indictment on any one player which you are doing. he posted good not great numbers but the potential shown is there. and yes to people around the league he has that potential to be a true No. 1 CB and deserves to continue his campaign as such.

when Revis was drafted he was drafted into a team that was established he was a part of a culture that was set. Eric Mangini the head coach and players ahead of Revis being drafted in 2007, EM hired in 2006. David Harris, Shaun Ellis, Barrett, Rhodes and Elam were good surrounding cast early allowed Revis to shine but who does Bryce Hall have? What safety, what pass rush, what anything?

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

JD has been getting hit hard for the 2020 draft because of Becton’s unavailability and Mim’s disappointing play, but Bryce Hall was theft in the 5th round. He’s a starting CB, and alongside DJ Reed, we’ve got two good ones. This D doesn’t require “islands” or “lockdowns”. Just steady play.

 

[Old#15]

So, don't expect Sauce or any other CB in rounds 1 or 2?

 

[Official Jets]

So, don't expect Sauce or any other CB in rounds 1 or 2?

no expect a day 3 CB and possibly PFA options.

Columbia Lions CB Will Allen Jr. a name to keep in mind. (5th)
Penn State CB Tariq Castro Fields (5th)
Washington State CB Jaylen Watson (5th)
Duke, CB Leonard Johnson (5th)

see a pattern

yes they brought in both first round options in

Cincinnati CB Ahmad Gardner
LSU CB Derek Stingley Jr.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I wouldn’t hate Sauce at 4. He looks like one of the safer picks in this draft. His production is #1 CB for sure. I just think the team can move the needle more with its draft picks in other places (Edge, WR, LB). Most of what you read about Saleh’s defense says his scheme puts the focus on the d-line/edge positions and doesn’t over complicate the CB assignments. That’s why mid round picks work here. I thought Echols and Carter played well for rookies. Even Pinnock at safety late in the year was effective. Don’t think it’s coincidence.

 

[Innocenti]

I wouldn’t hate Sauce at 4. He looks like one of the safer picks in this draft. His production is #1 CB for sure. I just think the team can move the needle more with its draft picks in other places (Edge, WR, LB). Most of what you read about Saleh’s defense says his scheme puts the focus on the d-line/edge positions and doesn’t over complicate the CB assignments. That’s why mid round picks work here. I thought Echols and Carter played well for rookies. Even Pinnock at safety late in the year was effective. Don’t think it’s coincidence.

I think most of us are in consensus that EDGE, LB, and WR are 3 of maybe the top 3-4 needs. We have 4 picks in the top 40. EDGE is fairly deep. At LB, there are no top 10 prospects, 1# WRs can be drafted in either spot. So where does that leave us? CB perhaps? I don't know if Sauce we'll be around at #4 and I don't know if he deserves the high rating. But if he's there and the team thinks he's elite, then I think his selection is obvious.

Personally, I would be immensely thrilled with LCB1 Sauce RCB1 Hall going into next season.

 

[skop]

Stats don't lie but stats can be cherry-picked. Last season, he gave up a 106.6 QB rating against including a 63% completion percentage, 7 TDs to 0 ints. He''s not a #1.

i don't know that Saleh's D really employs the need for a Revis type of lockdown CB who is asked to shut down a receiver by being his shadow. if anything it looked like a hybrid man-zone scheme. a 106.6 QBR when targeted + 7 tds allowed + 63% completions against would find a CB stocking grocery shelves otherwise, right?

i don't watch games with a score card in hand, so i am only assuming those figures speak more to opposing QB's beating our zone and safety assist than they are an indictment on Hall's ability to match up 1 on 1.

having said that, those numbers are worth keeping an eye on...as were the ones that looked really good too.

 

[Tinstar]

I think most of us are in consensus that EDGE, LB, and WR are 3 of maybe the top 3-4 needs. We have 4 picks in the top 40. EDGE is fairly deep. At LB, there are no top 10 prospects, 1# WRs can be drafted in either spot. So where does that leave us? CB perhaps? I don't know if Sauce we'll be around at #4 and I don't know if he deserves the high rating. But if he's there and the team thinks he's elite, then I think his selection is obvious.

Personally, I would be immensely thrilled with LCB1 Sauce RCB1 Hall going into next season.

So would most of us but CB is not a need and should not be a 1st round pick . The best pick is Travon Walker but the safe pick is Jermaine Johnson. We probably pick Thibodeaux. Man I hope we trade out .

 

[Tinstar]

i don't know that Saleh's D really employs the need for a Revis type of lockdown CB who is asked to shut down a receiver by being his shadow. if anything it looked like a hybrid man-zone scheme. a 106.6 QBR when targeted + 7 tds allowed + 63% completions against would find a CB stocking grocery shelves otherwise, right?

i don't watch games with a score card in hand, so i am only assuming those figures speak more to opposing QB's beating our zone and safety assist than they are an indictment on Hall's ability to match up 1 on 1.

having said that, those numbers are worth keeping an eye on...as were the ones that looked really good too.

The NFL doesn’t require such a player anymore because of the proliferation of the passing game and the emphasis on scoring. They just changed the way the game ends because fans complained about theBills not getting a chance to score and prolong the game. The Bills had the #1 ranked defense with pro bowl safeties on the field and couldn’t stop Kelcie or Hill . You want to effect the outcome of the game, effect the QB. Get his butt on the ground or get LBERs who can run so when he leaves the pocket they can chase his butt into the ground .

 

[Innocenti]

So would most of us but CB is not a need and should not be a 1st round pick . The best pick is Travon Walker but the safe pick is Jermaine Johnson. We probably pick Thibodeaux. Man I hope we trade out .

Personally, I think CB is a top need as our secondary got destroyed last season. I'd be very shocked if we trade down. If we get 4 starters in the first 4 picks, then we're a pretty good team. We'll probably grab an elite EDGE rusher at either #4 or #10 perhaps Thibodeaux. I'd be shocked if we didn't.

 

[Tinstar]

Personally, I think CB is a top need as our secondary got destroyed last season. I'd be very shocked if we trade down. If we get 4 starters in the first 4 picks, then we're a pretty good team. We'll probably grab an elite EDGE rusher at either #4 or #10 perhaps Thibodeaux. I'd be shocked if we didn't.

Thibodeaux scares me but I would hate to pass him up and watch him and Williams led the Jints to the SB .

 

[skop]

Personally, I think CB is a top need as our secondary got destroyed last season. I'd be very shocked if we trade down. If we get 4 starters in the first 4 picks, then we're a pretty good team. We'll probably grab an elite EDGE rusher at either #4 or #10 perhaps Thibodeaux. I'd be shocked if we didn't.

other than upgrading the Rush from the DLine, i think the most pressing need is a LB who can cover...Quincy and CJ can thump, but we need a LB with coverage skills. Nasrildeen and Sherman were hurt so we didn't get to see what they offered... who knows? we might already our coverage LB's on the roster.

 

[Seaver41]

nothing makes a secondary look better than a steady pass rush........so the fine line is just how good a CB do you need. Go back to the Sack Exchange days and although they piled up the Sacks, they were often betrayed by a sieve secondary. Hall will be a great fit with a better pass rush.....he's by no means a lockdown #1.