A deeper dive into Bryce Hall

[BlindsideD'Brick]

nothing makes a secondary look better than a steady pass rush........so the fine line is just how good a CB do you need. Go back to the Sack Exchange days and although they piled up the Sacks, they were often betrayed by a sieve secondary. Hall will be a great fit with a better pass rush.....he's by no means a lockdown #1.

DJ Reed was somewhat of an under the radar pickup for the Jets. Not only did he have a very good year for the Hawks last season, but he’s young and has played for Saleh before. He’s easily a CB2. He and Hall have lessened the need at CB. I predict JD will explore the position in the mid rounds again for depth/competition.

A ball hawking center fielder-type free safety is arguably a greater need with Joyner coming back from a season ender.

 

[skop]

DJ Reed was somewhat of an under the radar pickup for the Jets. Not only did he have a very good year for the Hawks last season, but he’s young and has played for Saleh before. He’s easily a CB2. He and Hall have lessened the need at CB. I predict JD will explore the position in the mid rounds again for depth/competition.

A ball hawking center fielder-type free safety is arguably a greater need with Joyner coming back from a season ender.

Don't tell DJ he's a CB2... he straight brags that his stats are right up with dude's not 5"9"; he'd be a CB1 in everyone else's eyes if he had prototypical measurables. just my opinion, but if we grab anything in the secondary, make it a safety. CB is a strong suit of ours now with Reed, Hall, Carter 2, and Echols.

NY Jets CB D.J. Reed says his stats compare to All-Pros: And it's true

When New York Jets cornerback D.J. Reed told the media that his stats compare to All-Pros, he was speaking the truth.

jetsxfactor.com

 

[MiJetFan]

Love Hall don't get me wrong, but the Jets need to take a CB and a Safety in this draft. I would prefer they take a CB in the 2nd and a Safety as well. The reasoning behind this is simple. Safety is a need position we all know this. CB is imo as well. Depth is the reasoning behind this. You can never have enough and I am tired of watching a starter go down and not have a viable replacement. How many times have we seen this? One of the reasons we have sucked so long is the lack of depth on this team. I'm not talking about having an All-Pro 2nd stringer but a capable guy is invaluable at any position. Depth gentlemen, depth is the need. That's how the 'best run" teams do it. We all know that and I believe that is what JD is trying to do.

 

[Tinstar]

Love Hall don't get me wrong, but the Jets need to take a CB and a Safety in this draft. I would prefer they take a CB in the 2nd and a Safety as well. The reasoning behind this is simple. Safety is a need position we all know this. CB is imo as well. Depth is the reasoning behind this. You can never have enough and I am tired of watching a starter go down and not have a viable replacement. How many times have we seen this? One of the reasons we have sucked so long is the lack of depth on this team. I'm not talking about having an All-Pro 2nd stringer but a capable guy is invaluable at any position. Depth gentlemen, depth is the need. That's how the 'best run" teams do it. We all know that and I believe that is what JD is trying to do.

Sorry but I disagree. We have enough of both especially with the two guys we added in free agency and the guy we have coming back who missed the year last season. We need people who can get after the QB and others who can get to him before he gets into our secondary. Then we need a WR or two .

 

[skop]

Sorry but I disagree. We have enough of both especially with the two guys we added in free agency and the guy we have coming back who missed the year last season. We need people who can get after the QB and others who can get to him before he gets into our secondary. Then we need a WR or two .

Agreed...

CB:
outside = Hall & DJ; Echols is more than a capable backup.
inside = Carter; Guidry as a capable backup.

Safety:
Whitehead, Davis, Joyner, Riley, and Pinnock are all quality players.

all of the Sauce talk and Hamilton talk are because the "talkers" don't understand that our secondary wasn't so much burned as they were asked to maintain coverage for more than 3 seconds against NFL WR's & TE's... plain as day.

 

[gmf1369]

@skop @Tinstar @MiJetFan

Jets attacked free agency to eliminate the need to draft for need in the draft. Filling two starter roles, does not mean they won't draft those positions but it also means they can focus on other positions without have to reach for a specific player. They are also open to drafting their guy higher than he would go to solidify grabbing the player they feel will help and grow within the team.

Players that could be targeted could be hybrid safety esq. linebackers like Ga Tech Tariq Carpenter, Mia (OH) Sterling Weatherford. Now they liked Illinois Kerby Joseph prior to the Senior Bowl and got to really dig into his game during that week. Another name that rose from the Senior Bowl is Baylor Jalen Pitre whose stock rose as a tweener first round option, the team actually likes his team mate JT Woods just as much. Too many options but the team signed Jordan Whitehead to then possibly draft someone to sit behind Joyner, but there is speculation that Jason Pinnock a draft pick from this regime might already found their guy.

As for corner, believe DJ Bieneme or just look at the statistics, a tweener 1st round talent hurt, so no medical checks could happen prior to the draft he fell to the 5th round. So we want to replace a former first round grade corner because the defense failed to compete as a team last year but he posted Top 5 credentials in key areas. Nice, end of the day his potential and the way the coaches talked about him last season before and after games makes me think they believe in his potential with the improvements needed to be addressed in the front 7. Signing DJ Reed, a run defending corner that can cover in open space. They drafted MC2 & Echols they believe both bring versatility to the defensive back's room. They are in love with Guidry's speed while his man coverage is less to be desired he has that recovery speed that is needed for the position, plus he hits and tackles like a linebacker.

Disagree we don't need top round prospects for either of these positions, we need maybe depth. Bringing in two first round corners is to learn to see if they are that special or are the other 5 day 3 prospects just under valued? Will Allen Jr. if he is drafted by us he could immediately share return duties with Berrios which would give Braxton more offensive snaps because he won't have to be saved for special teams. 9 safeties on the roster, three are likely practice squad potential but they are young and could surprise during OTAs. But we know we have talent on this roster it is just putting together the best of them that work well together.

 

[Innocenti]

Agreed...

CB:
outside = Hall & DJ; Echols is more than a capable backup.
inside = Carter; Guidry as a capable backup.

Safety:
Whitehead, Davis, Joyner, Riley, and Pinnock are all quality players.

all of the Sauce talk and Hamilton talk are because the "talkers" don't understand that our secondary wasn't so much burned as they were asked to maintain coverage for more than 3 seconds against NFL WR's & TE's... plain as day.

Last season, the Jets gave up the 3rd most passing yards in the NFL with only the 18th most passing attempts against them. The only reasons they didn't give up the most yards was because teams were highly successful running against them and the offense was inert so teams didn't pass as much as they could've. In that regard, I think the secondary is worse than the numbers indicate. Are there bright spots? Yes. But all-in-all, you can't honestly be happy about last season. Saying that people who disagree with you are talkers who simply don't understand is as short-sighted as...blaming everyone else but the defensive backs.

BTW, I'm not really for Sauce and I definitely don't like Hamilton.

 

[gmf1369]

I'm not really for Sauce and I definitely don't like Hamilton.

out of the first round potential corners a bigger version of DJ Reed is Trent McDuffie but again I don't believe we need to upgrade so to speak the defensive back field, we improve the rush from the DL and LB which will help them out allowing them to jump routes and dislodge catches from the receivers trying to make those unready catches.

 

[Tinstar]

out of the first round potential corners a bigger version of DJ Reed is Trent McDuffie but again I don't believe we need to upgrade so to speak the defensive back field, we improve the rush from the DL and LB which will help them out allowing them to jump routes and dislodge catches from the receivers trying to make those unready catches.

You add a for real pass rusher and a for real coverage LBER to this defense while finding a linemen for Q and this defense will be much improved.

 

[gmf1369]

You add a for real pass rusher and a for real coverage LBER to this defense while finding a linemen for Q and this defense will be much improved.

I really wish they would focus on JFM's role more. He played exceptionally well as a defensive end but because we had no real interior lineman last year that we could stabilize a proper game plan around they kept rotating players in and out.

I really do feel that JFM is our Book End, while Lawson is to be our Rush End. as depth goes Huff is the only real role player that I see making a difference at this point and he can pay either side. So technically the team could say we don't need a top 1st round prospect for DE and be focusing on finding that IDL to start next to Q.

They believe in the linebacking group they have. Sherwood is the MIKE in this defense. They love Quincy aggressive nature and his ability to cover not only ground but in space. CJ Mosley is better than PFF gave him credit for, yes an aging veteran still has the hunting prowess against the run with a stronger front four he and the linebackers would have an easier time defending not only the run but in the seam.

I think the ability of Whitehead, he basically plays like another linebacker who sets the edge but also can cover in space. DJ Reed comes in and has the Football IQ to be left on an island, has the ball skills to recognize when to go for it or when to play the receiver. Think that is what Bryce Hall lacks or is knowledgeable but was uncertain if the team could recover if he misses.

lot of moving parts but area of NEED heading to the draft for me is IDL Starter, WR Starter after than fill depth. Could use another RB to compliment Mike Carter.

 

[MiJetFan]

The guys they signed for the secondary are one of the reasons why I want to draft a CB and a Safety in the 2nd. Let these kids learn from the vets. Remember one of the guys played in this system before(can't remember which). You let these kids learn the system with help from a vet and with luck, you could have 4 guys who could rotate in and out and keep them fresh all year. Same principal as the D-line guys. Would also cut down on injury too.
Of course JD has his strategy and I trust his judgment.Lol sounds weird saying that about a Jets GM.

 

[MiJetFan]

Agreed...

CB:
outside = Hall & DJ; Echols is more than a capable backup.
inside = Carter; Guidry as a capable backup.

Safety:
Whitehead, Davis, Joyner, Riley, and Pinnock are all quality players.

all of the Sauce talk and Hamilton talk are because the "talkers" don't understand that our secondary wasn't so much burned as they were asked to maintain coverage for more than 3 seconds against NFL WR's & TE's... plain as day.

Well I disagree. They are going to draft an Edge in the 1st, hell if JD does what I think he will(trade 1 or both picks) you could see an Edge and one of the top LB's in the 1st.
I'm not as confident in the secondary as you are. Sure the guy's they signed are going to be a big help no doubt. Adding top talent to the mix isn't going to hurt.
Drafting Asamoah and even Domann to a lesser extent will help with the overall D. I'm all for an RB too. Depth gentleman, depth is key to sustain a winning program. It's been proven time and time again. Having too much talent at any position is not something this Team is in danger of being accused of.

 

[Oraelo]

I agree depth is great and all but shouldn’t fielding a quality 22 to start come first?

 

[skop]

Well I disagree. They are going to draft an Edge in the 1st, hell if JD does what I think he will(trade 1 or both picks) you could see an Edge and one of the top LB's in the 1st.
I'm not as confident in the secondary as you are. Sure the guy's they signed are going to be a big help no doubt. Adding top talent to the mix isn't going to hurt.
Drafting Asamoah and even Domann to a lesser extent will help with the overall D. I'm all for an RB too. Depth gentleman, depth is key to sustain a winning program. It's been proven time and time again. Having too much talent at any position is not something this Team is in danger of being accused of.

you know this more than i do, but Saleh's idea of top talent at CB and Safety are system guys who cover spaces, are opportunistic at turnovers, and make tackle ...

so to use a pick on Gardner, Boothe, McDuffie, Gordon, or Stingley, and/or Hamilton, Dax, or Cine might be akin to a woman wearing a wedding dress to her job interview.

yup, she was formal... checked that box, but maybe $600 too much was spent on less expensive duds giving you the same result.

 

[skop]

I agree depth is great and all but shouldn’t fielding a quality 22 to start come first?

you're both right.

JD quietly has put the talent on the roster... just about everywhere at all levels of the O and the D.
He has to hit on these first 4 picks at difference making potions to get the most out of the accumulated talent.

 

[MiJetFan]

you know this more than i do, but Saleh's idea of top talent at CB and Safety are system guys who cover spaces, are opportunistic at turnovers, and make tackle ...

so to use a pick on Gardner, Boothe, McDuffie, Gordon, or Stingley, and/or Hamilton, Dax, or Cine might be akin to a woman wearing a wedding dress to her job interview.

yup, she was formal... checked that box, but maybe $600 too much was spent on less expensive duds giving you the same result.

I was thinking maybe Cine but He is going in the mid to late 20's. Pitre would my pick at 35 or 38 depending how the draft flows. I like the safety from Penn state but not enough to draft him there. I'm hoping someone falls but I never even considered Gardner because I want Thibs at 4 if they keep the pick. You know with all the hype "Sauce" is going long before 10. I would go with Skyy Moore at 35 or 38 as well. If they keep both of those picks I wouldn't be upset if they came away with Moore and Pitre. Weatherford is a guy I love later and Domann fits perfectly into what they are looking to do.

I like Elliss later in the draft too. Guy is a load. I'm sure they have guys they like in the later rounds but He should be considered.
Mcfadden is another guy I love in the later rounds too. This draft is deep at almost every position other than QB. If JD plays his cards right He can come away with multiple starters on both sides of the ball. I can't wait to see how it shakes out. I haven't been this excited for a draft in a while.

 

[skop]

This draft is deep at almost every position other than QB. If JD plays his cards right He can come away with multiple starters on both sides of the ball. I can't wait to see how it shakes out. I haven't been this excited for a draft in a while.

your whole post was right on the money!! i love Cine too; keep an eye on his clone at A&M, Leon Jones Jr in the 4th 5th or 6th.

But this is the part that of your post i loved!!! i have been thinking and trying to get any nugget of info possible for months!!!
i have wondered for a while what all 32 boards are like in terms of round evals at each position group.

 

[MiJetFan]

your whole post was right on the money!! i love Cine too; keep an eye on his clone at A&M, Leon Jones Jr in the 4th 5th or 6th.

But this is the part that of your post i loved!!! i have been thinking and trying to get any nugget of info possible for months!!!
i have wondered for a while what all 32 boards are like in terms of round evals at each position group.

Right? LB alone has got to be one of the deepest classes in a while. So much value in the later rounds. Plus you have a ton of guys we haven't even discussed. Small school guys not on our radar yet but you know some team is going to dig one out. Hopefully its the Jets.

 

[skop]

Last season, the Jets gave up the 3rd most passing yards in the NFL with only the 18th most passing attempts against them. The only reasons they didn't give up the most yards was because teams were highly successful running against them and the offense was inert so teams didn't pass as much as they could've. In that regard, I think the secondary is worse than the numbers indicate. Are there bright spots? Yes. But all-in-all, you can't honestly be happy about last season. Saying that people who disagree with you are talkers who simply don't understand is as short-sighted as...blaming everyone else but the defensive backs.

BTW, I'm not really for Sauce and I definitely don't like Hamilton.

Talkers = talking heads on TV doing their mocks, and saying we will take Gardner and/or Hamilton.
you're no talker, nor is anyone else here

i can honestly say that i didn't like most of the results of most of the plays that our D was involved in.
I think our Secondary is better than the numbers indicate, but you have to "take your time" watching each play.

see what the results are like from snap to 2 seconds with the QB harrowing. see just how many times our DBs had to defend/cover past 3 to 4 seconds. the efficacy of the secondary in the first metric is going to shock you. the second should disgust you...

the way i see it, is that if an opposing QB is holding 3 to 5 seconds, our Line should be getting a coverage sack.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I like Cine with a second round pick at 35 or 38. He fits the free safety prototype. He and Whitehead would be a solid duo.