Does the Zach change start now???
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I think today's game should answer your question loud and clear. Best hope for this season is a competent game manager, but he clearly isn't ready for prime time.
sorry guys, I disagree. He's different, but clearly not there yet.
I know you are reaching for hope, and your posts clearly show that you will support Zach no matter what. But can you elaborate on what you see that is different? "Not there yet?" It's year three, do we continue to hold out hope indefinitely? I can't see any argument to refute that he is clearly the worst starting QB in the NFL.
He isn't taking stupid risks and turning the ball over, but he also is still slow to his reads, is in a system that is designed to be 1-2 reads and done, and he isn't seeing the field. He seems to thrive in the 2 minute drill; but that is one read and done. He always looks best in the 2 minute drill but we can't play the entire game like that.
I'm trying to keep it in perspective. The CS doesn't trust him yet to do much more than 'manage the game', which he is doing a good job at. they said he needed a reset, and starting this year wasn't in the plan. So, yeah he's not there yet but the ability is clearly there. If you don't see that, you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.
It's not that I don't see the talent (I've said from day 1 he has a talented arm and is athletic). I asked because my POV may be a bit jaded because I'm tired of the same old from him and I don't see improvements in the areas that I've questions with him from day 1 (can't read a defense, can't anticipate a throw).
Honestly, Zach makes a few good throws a game (always has), and he plays a good game from time to time (he had a few last year). But I don't get excited or feel hopeful from that because that has always been the MO with him. There just isn't any consistent improvement and forward progress.
Can’t argue this at all, your spot on!
This was not a Zach Wilson stack game. He wasn’t awful, but he wasn’t good either. Once again, he cant finish in the end zone . too many FG’s.
Here's where I see Zach right now. He is playing like a rookie with a lot of promise, but with mistakes that need to be rectified. The problem is, this is his third year.
It's honestly as if the first two years of his career never happened. That said, if we DID throw out his first two years, right now, I think we would all be somewhat encouraged about the trajectory. But can the team afford to put its faith in a second contract into a kid who looks like he finally reached his rookie season in his third year?
It's honestly as if the first two years of his career never happened. That said, if we DID throw out his first two years, right now, I think we would all be somewhat encouraged about the trajectory. But can the team afford to put its faith in a second contract into a kid who looks like he finally reached his rookie season in his third year?
Thats an easy answer...Nope!
It’s still a lot of season left for him to prove us all wrong. I hope he does but he probably won’t!
Well Zach didn't lose the game for them but it wasn't for lack of trying. Seriously. The end of half thing was just frustrating. What can you do? Its going to be this type of Season. Prepare for another Cowboys style beat down against the Eagles. Funny thing is if they had beaten the Patriots(which they should have) some would be singing a different tune? I don't think so. The problems on this Team stand out if you watch even one game. LBer play MUST improve. Probably going to cost Saleh his job for that, among other things. When Hackett and Rodgers came here I felt Saleh's days were numbered. Look at his face during games. I think He knows it too. Hackett was aiming for HC from the beginning. Lets hope Im wrong but..........
It's' funny how some of the 'experts' on TV see Wilson vs the experts on this forum. He is clearly much improved over what we saw his first two years. I remember folks here with me being one of them, who were extremely frustrated/angry about his inability to complete the simple short passes. That seems to be a thing of the past. His touch and accuracy there is now what you'd expect from an NFL QB. His progressions have also improved, not to where he should be, but clearly better. What really haunts ZW is holding the ball too long. When he gets rid of the ball quickly, he's very good but falls off the table when he holds it too long. I'd like to see his stats that shows % of throws in less than 2.5 seconds from the last two games to earlier in the season and last two years. My guess is that the number has flipped. If that continues to improve, we may have judged the kid prematurely.
Slight improvement, but still not close to what you should expect in year 3. He has had multiple games right there given to him by the defense and has flopped or fumbled. The Jets should have destroyed the Broncos, but Zach's inability in the red zone is killing this team. I hope he keeps improving his trade value.
I can definitely agree with you that he isn't putting as many balls in the dirt! His short area accuracy has been much better this season. That being said, IMO any QB who can't hit a 5 yard gimme should have never on the field to begin with (those are gimme throws).
Wilson seems to be playing at a year 1 level. He didn't do anything to lose the game yesterday (the INT was misplaced but Garrett could have also had it, and once it's tipped up, I can't blame the QB for that). The gameplan is to take the ball out of his hands and limit his exposure (same as last year). It just seems like everyone who wants to see improvement has severely lowered the bar for Zach. I'm having a tough time understanding why anyone would think it's acceptable to have the worst starting QB in the league as our go to plan.
The level of place seems on-par with last season (some times he plays well, other times no so much). We were 5-2 last year before we lost Breece and who knows how many wins we would have gotten if he doesn't get hurt. So winning games and acceptable play from Zach doesn't exactly correlate. The team felt last season that he was a detriment and we needed to go in a different direction. I would agree with that assessment and feel that leaving him as the #2 when he clearly needed to sit and learn was another huge miscalculation by JD (who also seems to be more of a Zach fan than a NY Jets fan).
Zachs progression depends on play calls and protection. I wasnt impressed with seconds ticking down and plays sent to him and not gettting points. right now Zach is trying to get the team to like him instead of leading the team. So Zach doesnt yell at guys not doing things. Zach has a TE thats with him and it shows passing and trust by Zach.