2015 Jets can make the playoffs if the QB doesn't blow it

[Elias]

:roflmao:

Yeah, keep grasping a hold of those straws. Keep grasping a hold of that ONE exception to the rule.

In fact I will make you a promise right now. If Ryan Fitzpatrick EVER gets the Jets to the SB ( not even win it just get the Jets into one), I will jump from the building of your choosing. No matter how high, I will jump even if it means certain injury and/or death.

That's how certain I am that 1) Ryan Fitzpatrick (or Geno) will NEVER take this team to the playoffs, let alone get the Jets to the SB, or even god forbid, WIN the SB. That is quite simply the dumbest proclamation ever made. 2) You must be on some sort of serious mind altering, delusion inducing, drug that I would never want any part of.

If the Jets plan on getting better and eventually winning the SB, if that is truly what they plan on doing, then they MUST draft a QB in this draft.

Hey MJ - I know that you're passionate but stop questioning everyone's sobriety and drug use when they disagree with you!

The Jets have made the playoffs with much worse talent at QB than Fitzpatrick (Sanchez). It looks like we are building a roster similar to what it was when we last had success. I think if we had a veteran qb instead of sanchez, we would have been in the super bowl.

I also think you are underestimating Fitzpatrick's ability to play well in the right system. Under Gailey is when he had his best success. He may not have the strongest arm but all we really need is to stop turning the ball over and kill ourselves.

We were in so many games last year despite a mess at QB, we have a chance. Maybe not SB contenders but our defense can make some noise. We have a solid offensive roster. If we solidify the o line and give our QBs time to throw then there's no doubt we can win some games. That was our recipe for success in 09 and 10, we can do it again.

 

[ucrenegade]

:roflmao:

Yeah, keep grasping a hold of those straws. Keep grasping a hold of that ONE exception to the rule.

In fact I will make you a promise right now. If Ryan Fitzpatrick EVER gets the Jets to the SB ( not even win it just get the Jets into one), I will jump from the building of your choosing. No matter how high, I will jump even if it means certain injury and/or death.

That's how certain I am that 1) Ryan Fitzpatrick (or Geno) will NEVER take this team to the playoffs, let alone get the Jets to the SB, or even god forbid, WIN the SB. That is quite simply the dumbest proclamation ever made. 2) You must be on some sort of serious mind altering, delusion inducing, drug that I would never want any part of.

If the Jets plan on getting better and eventually winning the SB, if that is truly what they plan on doing, then they MUST draft a QB in this draft.

I bet ravens said same thing about trent dilfer or bears said about jim mcmahon put a good enough team around a veteran qb who can mange a game and you'd be surprised.

 

[sg3]

Well, Jets Fan RI does. Look at his response to my post......

He says, and I agree with him, that Fitz gives us a chance to be competitive and a chance even for a postseason berth. I am saying that THAT is way better than the ZERO chance we have with Smith.

Neither he or I think Fitz is the guy who will win it all. He is the hold the fort vet QB I have been advocating for months to give us the chance for short term success that Smith is most clearly incapable of providing.

I disagree with your point that Fitz and Smith are equal in incompetence with an equal ceiling of 8-8 or less.

 

[Elias]

I bet ravens said same thing about trent dilfer or bears said about jim mcmahon put a good enough team around a veteran qb who can mange a game and you'd be surprised.

That's what I think too. The roster is not done being built. We could very well improve the o line and finally get a pass rush. With those two things, and careful qb play, we can make a run. It's too bad we are in a tough division and not in the South.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Has any body read Gary Meyers article on the possibilty of acquiring Philip Rivers for the #6 overall spot? (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-brees-rivers-possibly-mix-jets-article-1.2157881?comment=true) Rivers doesn't want to extend his stay with the Chargers given the uncertainty of the CHargers move to Los Angeles.

Fellas, IMHO, if Mariota is there at 6 you draft and trade him to San Diego in a heart beat. In the 2nd round you draft Bryce Petty and have him sit ala Aaron Rodgers behind one of the best pro's in the NFL.
Not only will the Jets be competitive for the duration of Philip's stay, but it will allow the Jets to groom a young QB in Petty, who needs to sit and learn. Why not learn from one of the best QB's in the NFL.

 

[ucrenegade]

Has any body read Gary Meyers article on the possibilty of acquiring Philip Rivers for the #6 overall spot? (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-brees-rivers-possibly-mix-jets-article-1.2157881?comment=true) Rivers doesn't want to extend his stay with the Chargers given the uncertainty of the CHargers move to Los Angeles.

Fellas, IMHO, if Mariota is there at 6 you draft and trade him to San Diego in a heart beat. In the 2nd round you draft Bryce Petty and have him sit ala Aaron Rodgers behind one of the best pro's in the NFL.
Not only will the Jets be competitive for the duration of Philip's stay, but it will allow the Jets to groom a young QB in Petty, who needs to sit and learn. Why not learn from one of the best QB's in the NFL.

I would be ok with that scenario but i would wait and draft a qb next year when more qb's would be better than petty.

 

[sg3]

I think Myers idea is about the wildest stretch of imagination ever published in the sports section of a legitimate newspaper.

My opinion

Less than a zero chance. If Mariota is there at 6 we draft him and let Fitz hold the fort until the Duck is ready

 

[ucrenegade]

I think Myers idea is about the wildest stretch of imagination ever published in the sports section of a legitimate newspaper.

My opinion

Less than a zero chance. If Mariota is there at 6 we draft him and let Fitz hold the fort until the Duck is ready

i would be ok with this scenario also and prob the most plausible but i really think titans make a trade and someone gets mariotta before he even gets to 6.

 

[Jet Setter]

Has any body read Gary Meyers article on the possibilty of acquiring Philip Rivers for the #6 overall spot? (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-brees-rivers-possibly-mix-jets-article-1.2157881?comment=true) Rivers doesn't want to extend his stay with the Chargers given the uncertainty of the CHargers move to Los Angeles.

Fellas, IMHO, if Mariota is there at 6 you draft and trade him to San Diego in a heart beat. In the 2nd round you draft Bryce Petty and have him sit ala Aaron Rodgers behind one of the best pro's in the NFL.
Not only will the Jets be competitive for the duration of Philip's stay, but it will allow the Jets to groom a young QB in Petty, who needs to sit and learn. Why not learn from one of the best QB's in the NFL.

I believe this will happen only at #2 not 6. SD knows they can't extend him so they're going to make this move. If the offer were there, I don't think the Jets could pull the trigger anyway as River's salary is 17M this season and he's due for an extension next season which will start at 20M, I'd assume. Do we have that kind of money left? I've posed this question before - who would you cut to get to that number? It's a rare opportunity if it comes along.

 

[Jet Setter]

I think Myers idea is about the wildest stretch of imagination ever published in the sports section of a legitimate newspaper.

My opinion

Less than a zero chance. If Mariota is there at 6 we draft him and let Fitz hold the fort until the Duck is ready

Which scenario has zero chance - that the Chargers are moving up for Mariota or that the Jets would not consider trading for Rivers at 6? Just for the record, I disagree with both notions as being such low probability.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I would be ok with that scenario but i would wait and draft a qb next year when more qb's would be better than petty.

I'am going to agree to disagree on waiting until next year. I honestly and strongly feel Petty will be a monster in this league if any team is willing to give him time and develop him.
He has all the tools for an NFL QB. Rocket arm. Legit Leadership skills where he rallies his team around him. Very good accuracy. Tough as nails.

Again, as many of these QB that come from spread offenses, some NFL teams expect them to come in and translate their game to the pro's with out adjusting & working with them.
Petty has every intangible to be a crazy good player from here to two years. IMHO, he already comes from a Chan Gailey type of system in what Art Briles runs at Baylor. It has it's pro-style offense as well. So the transition may not take a longer time as t would with Mariota coming from a unique system in which just one head coach runs in the NFL.

Though the chances of acquiring Rivers is pretty far fetched, considering his cap # for this year would be around $12 mil or so. Though i wouldn't mind Petty learning from Fitz.


Just a side note. Petty was highly regarded out of high school by then Tennessee Volunteer coach Philip Fulmer. He of course coached Peyton Manning. Not saying Bryce is Manning, but if a coach that had a long tenure at one school from '92 to 2008 had such praise for such a young kid in Petty, it just shows what kind of talent he see's in him. This vid illustrates Petty's path:

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Has any body read Gary Meyers article on the possibilty of acquiring Philip Rivers for the #6 overall spot?

I'd love to acquire Rivers, but I'll never trade the 6th Pick for a 33 Y.O. player in a straight swap, even a franchise QB, not unless its an elite franchise QB like Aaron Rodgers, but nobody would ever trade that caliber of QB while he's still playing at a high level and Rivers is not in that class, he's in the next tier which is really good, but not good enough for me to trade the 6th overall pick for a 33 year old. If they want to make this trade, they have to throw Melvin Ingram into the deal. Even though he's been hurt, he's still young (25), fills a big need (Rush OLB), and I like him as a player.

If they throw Ingram in, I'll throw Dee Milliner in, and we have a deal.

 

[Jet Setter]

I'd love to acquire Rivers, but I'll never trade the 6th Pick for a 33 Y.O. player, even a franchise QB, not unless its an elite franchise QB like Aaron Rodgers, but nobody would ever trade that caliber of QB while he's still playing at a high level and Rivers is not in that class, he's in the next tier which is really good, but not good enough for me to trade the 6th overall pick for a 33 year old. If they want to make this trade, they have to throw Melvin Ingram into the deal. Even though he's been hurt, he's still young (25), fills a big need (Rush OLB), and I like him as a player.

If they throw Ingram in, I'll bite.

I'm on the other side of this fence as I'd do that in a second. 33 isn't old for a QB as you see Peyton and Brady will be 40 before they hang it up. While he may not be universally considered elite, he's not far removed. Rivers is a very good QB in this league. He would make this team infinitely better from day one and well worth a 1st round pick IMO. My biggest concern would be affordability as teams need to manage themselves beneath the cap and he costs 17M. But the biggest deterrent are the teams ahead of us in such a scenario. TEN coach Whisenhunt was his OC where he had some good years. I see Rivers going to the Titans.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I'm on the other side of this fence as I'd do that in a second. 33 isn't old for a QB as you see Peyton and Brady will be 40 before they hang it up. While he may not be universally considered elite, he's not far removed. Rivers is a very good QB in this league. He would make this team infinitely better from day one and well worth a 1st round pick IMO. My biggest concern would be affordability as teams need to manage themselves beneath the cap and he costs 17M.

Quite possibly the Jets would have to re-work his deal if this were to occur. As far as the Age is concerned, i feel QB's will be playing longer and more effective years due to how the NFL is protcting them as in years past. Rivers would give us 4-5 good enough years to make a hard run at the Super Bowl. Also, we'd have Petty waiting in the wings being groomed.

 

[Jet Setter]

Quite possibly the Jets would have to re-work his deal if this were to occur. As far as the Age is concerned, i feel QB's will be playing longer and more effective years due to how the NFL is protcting them as in years past. Rivers would give us 4-5 good enough years to make a hard run at the Super Bowl. Also, we'd have Petty waiting in the wings being groomed.

Yeah, I see a lot of groundswell for Petty on this site.

I think Rivers has more years than that as you raise a great point about QB's being better protected and lasting longer.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I'm on the other side of this fence as I'd do that in a second. 33 isn't old for a QB as you see Peyton and Brady will be 40 before they hang it up. While he may not be universally considered elite, he's not far removed. Rivers is a very good QB in this league. He would make this team infinitely better from day one and well worth a 1st round pick IMO. My biggest concern would be affordability as teams need to manage themselves beneath the cap and he costs 17M. But the biggest deterrent are the teams ahead of us in such a scenario. TEN coach Whisenhunt was his OC where he had some good years. I see Rivers going to the Titans.

I have to admit its real tempting, this roster is good enough to win a SB with a legit franchise QB, but if its me I'm trying to make it more than a straight swap so I can get some youth back at a position of need. I would target Ingram whose been hurt as much for them as Dee Milliner has been for us, so they have to be equally frustrated with Ingram, but I love his ability. I would insist we make it a two'fer, Rivers and Ingram for the #6 Pick and Milliner, and they really do need a Corner, so its a good fit for both teams and we're both taking a chance on young players who were recent first rounders and whose young careers have been derailed by injuries. I'd fight real hard to make that the deal.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

He says, and I agree with him, that Fitz gives us a chance to be competitive and a chance even for a postseason berth. I am saying that THAT is way better than the ZERO chance we have with Smith.

Neither he or I think Fitz is the guy who will win it all. He is the hold the fort vet QB I have been advocating for months to give us the chance for short term success that Smith is most clearly incapable of providing.

I disagree with your point that Fitz and Smith are equal in incompetence with an equal ceiling of 8-8 or less.

Thanks for the support. And while we do agree on Fitz I'm afraid we don't agree on Geno. I am in favor of giving Geno another chance. Now to be clear, I am not saying I expect Geno to succeed. Only that I think he might, and should be given another chance. But hey, if Fitz beats him out in camp, that's fine.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Yeah. Put me down in favor of picking up Rivers. But I think it's a pipe dream. Not gonna happen.

 

[ucrenegade]

are people forgetting this is the same team that let brees go and he went and won a sb and going to be in the hof someday do you really think they make the same mistake twice?

 

[Jet Setter]

I have to admit its real tempting, this roster is good enough to win a SB with a legit franchise QB, but if its me I'm trying to make it more than a straight swap so I can get some youth back at a position of need. I would target Ingram whose been hurt as much for them as Dee Milliner has been for us, so they have to be equally frustrated with Ingram, but I love his ability. I would insist we make it a two'fer, Rivers and Ingram for the #6 Pick and Milliner, and they really do need a Corner, so its a good fit for both teams and we're both taking a chance on young players who were recent first rounders and whose young careers have been derailed by injuries. I'd fight real hard to make that the deal.

You have to dump payroll, not take more on if this thing could work. Watch for restructures leading to the draft and that would be a sign that they're talking. The Jets would have to clear in excess of 10M to afford his 17M number this year. Any extension would take place after the fact and the truth is his worth is now exceeding 17M as market value so it will only go up.
Again, I think this has a small chance of working out as TEN has cap space, need, connection and motivation. Washington would take this trade offer at 5 as well but are also in a cap bind as we are at the moment.