2015 Jets can make the playoffs if the QB doesn't blow it

[Jet Setter]

are people forgetting this is the same team that let brees go and he went and won a sb and going to be in the hof someday do you really think they make the same mistake twice?

Do you understand that Rivers has publicly announced he will not return to SD next year? He's not interested in an extension with the Chargers. This is why this trade is motivated. He's gone after this year. They will need a replacement. They can get one now. What do you think they'll do, sit there and wait for a QB while they pick again next year in the teens or worse? They're highly motivated to move now.

 

[ucrenegade]

Do you understand that Rivers has publicly announced he will not return to SD next year? He's not interested in an extension with the Chargers. This is why this trade is motivated. He's gone after this year. They will need a replacement. They can get one now. What do you think they'll do, sit there and wait for a QB while they pick again next year in the teens or worse? They're highly motivated to move now.

if they get him the players he wants or give him more say as a veteran qb maybe let him call plays at the line or other perks he very well could stay. It is depending on what he wants everyone has a price.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

if they get him the players he wants or give him more say as a veteran qb maybe let him call plays at the line or other perks he very well could stay. It is depending on what he wants everyone has a price.

The other thing is he says he has a problem with the team move to LA. Wonder if he has a problem with moving to the NY area?

 

[Mainejet]

If you're so certain, why not extend your offer to cover doing what you are suggesting if the Jets make the playoffs? Not so certain? Hedging your bet?

Do you enjoy being miserable every season, with the expectation the Jets will always fail? You do seem to be one of the most miserable guys around here.

I'm not miserable. I am REALISTIC. I choose to live in reality and look at things with objectivity. Just because it is completely objective to say BASED ON THEIR HISTORY IN THE LEAGUE, they will never take this team to a SB. Does not mean that I should put on this fake façade and pretend about delusions of grandeur.

It's not in my DNA. so stop asking for something that you are NEVER going to get.

YOU, on the other hand, choose to live in LA LA LAND and think that every season is about David beating Goliath and making guarantees along the way. That is absurd.

And mind you NOTHING you have posted shows any evidence to represent what you are saying as being true.

I, on the other hand, already posted "Based on their history", and you can look that up if you choose to. That says in lay terms. Being that Ryan Fitzpatrick has never even led a team to a winning record there is no way I should start believing now when he's taking over a 4-12 team.

But it's always good to know that just like Jetsinsider, NYjetsfanatics has it's very own police department apparently.

 

[jets82]

Wait, what is all this talk about acquiring Rivers? I've been out of the loop all day and just seeing this on this thread. Does anyone have proof of this or is this more so a rumor? Depending on what's their asking price, I would want the Jets to strongly consider it. That is a QB definitely worth considering the #6 pick for, even at the age of 33. I would want a young key player from them as well or a at least a third round draft pick.

 

[Elias]

I may be an optimist but I still think we need to give it a shot before we consider this upcoming season a lost cause. Fitz although never led any team to a winning record has never had a decent team. I think we could put something special together for him. His best receiver was Stevie Johnson. He has Decker and Marshall now.

 

[jets82]

Thanks for the support. And while we do agree on Fitz I'm afraid we don't agree on Geno. I am in favor of giving Geno another chance. Now to be clear, I am not saying I expect Geno to succeed. Only that I think he might, and should be given another chance. But hey, if Fitz beats him out in camp, that's fine.

I believe Geno should get another shot also. Especially against Fitz or any other rookie QB not named Winston. IMHO, I believe Geno would or has a very good chance of beating out any of them except Winston ofcourse. However; if we can get Rivers, Geno must ride the bench and learn from someone who knows how to do it and been doing now for 10 plus years. We all know Geno wouldn't beat out Rivers anyway so its a mute point.

 

[Mainejet]

Hey MJ - I know that you're passionate but stop questioning everyone's sobriety and drug use when they disagree with you!

The Jets have made the playoffs with much worse talent at QB than Fitzpatrick (Sanchez). It looks like we are building a roster similar to what it was when we last had success. I think if we had a veteran qb instead of sanchez, we would have been in the super bowl.

I also think you are underestimating Fitzpatrick's ability to play well in the right system. Under Gailey is when he had his best success. He may not have the strongest arm but all we really need is to stop turning the ball over and kill ourselves.

We were in so many games last year despite a mess at QB, we have a chance. Maybe not SB contenders but our defense can make some noise. We have a solid offensive roster. If we solidify the o line and give our QBs time to throw then there's no doubt we can win some games. That was our recipe for success in 09 and 10, we can do it again.

Well, for crying out loud Elias, HOW MANY systems must he be given a try in before he starts to play well?! You act as though has never been given a legit chance at succeeding. QUITE the opposite. Time and again the guy always fails when it matters.

Meanwhile, he's taking over a FOUR and TWELVE team. Based on what we've seen in the past with Fitzpatrick, the Jets could surround him with the 2010 team and he would still sh*t the bed when it mattered.

I'm sorry to bust your hump here, but NO, as SG3 already posted, Ryan Fitzpatrick is nothing more than a stop gap that CANNOT lead a team to even a .500 record.

If the Jets want to get better, they MUST take a QB in the draft because they simply do not have playoff caliber talent at QB on their roster right now.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I'm not miserable. I am REALISTIC. I choose to live in reality and look at things with objectivity. Just because it is completely objective to say BASED ON THEIR HISTORY IN THE LEAGUE, they will never take this team to a SB. Does not mean that I should put on this fake façade and pretend about delusions of grandeur.

It's not in my DNA. so stop asking for something that you are NEVER going to get.

YOU, on the other hand, choose to live in LA LA LAND and think that every season is about David beating Goliath and making guarantees along the way. That is absurd.

And mind you NOTHING you have posted shows any evidence to represent what you are saying as being true.

I, on the other hand, already posted "Based on their history", and you can look that up if you choose to. That says in lay terms. Being that Ryan Fitzpatrick has never even led a team to a winning record there is no way I should start believing now when he's taking over a 4-12 team.

But it's always good to know that just like Jetsinsider, NYjetsfanatics has it's very own police department apparently.

What you are really saying is that you find my argument unconvincing, since I did in fact make an argument. But you may not have read it, or possibly misunderstood it, based on your misreading of my reply to your first post in the thread. And I find your argument unconvincing. Guess we'll have to leave it at that.

 

[Elias]

Well, for crying out loud Elias, HOW MANY systems must he be given a try in before he starts to play well?! You act as though has never been given a legit chance at succeeding. QUITE the opposite. Time and again the guy always fails when it matters.

Meanwhile, he's taking over a FOUR and TWELVE team. Based on what we've seen in the past with Fitzpatrick, the Jets could surround him with the 2010 team and he would still sh*t the bed when it mattered.

I'm sorry to bust your hump here, but NO, as SG3 already posted, Ryan Fitzpatrick is nothing more than a stop gap that CANNOT lead a team to even a .500 record.

If the Jets want to get better, they MUST take a QB in the draft because they simply do not have playoff caliber talent at QB on their roster right now.

I agree with you and SG3. Fitz is nothing more than a stop gap and for long term success the Jets will most likely need to draft someone (still hoping Geno can improve). Having said all that, I still think that we can be competitive with Fitz at QB next season.

 

[jets82]

I may be an optimist but I still think we need to give it a shot before we consider this upcoming season a lost cause. Fitz although never led any team to a winning record has never had a decent team. I think we could put something special together for him. His best receiver was Stevie Johnson. He has Decker and Marshall now.

I think Geno would beat out Fitz personally but that's my humble opinion only and I'm sure most people don't agree. Rivers on the other hand is a no brainer. I still wouldn't want the Jets to mortgage away their future for Rivers. Try to work it without giving up the first round pick, which would be impossible. I would offer our second and Milliner straight up for Rivers and their seventh rounder.

 

[Mainejet]

I agree with you and SG3. Fitz is nothing more than a stop gap and for long term success the Jets will most likely need to draft someone (still hoping Geno can improve). Having said all that, I still think that we can be competitive with Fitz at QB next season.

Well, this league is not about being COMPETITIVE. It is about RESULTS.

I could care less (and you should feel the same way) if the Jets play every team on their schedule tough right to the end, but still manage to lose almost every game. At the of the day, that is still a below .500 team and a laughingstock in the eyes of NFL fans.

I want this team to be growing to become SB champs. The ONLY way that happens is if they draft a QB because they do not have that kind of QB right now.

 

[sg3]

Well, this league is not about being COMPETITIVE. It is about RESULTS.

I could care less (and you should feel the same way) if the Jets play every team on their schedule tough right to the end, but still manage to lose almost every game. At the of the day, that is still a below .500 team and a laughingstock in the eyes of NFL fans.

I want this team to be growing to become SB champs. The ONLY way that happens is if they draft a QB because they do not have that kind of QB right now.

When Winston goes 1 and Mariota 2, which 2015 QB is the one you are advocating to bring immediate championships?

 

[Elias]

Well, this league is not about being COMPETITIVE. It is about RESULTS.

I could care less (and you should feel the same way) if the Jets play every team on their schedule tough right to the end, but still manage to lose almost every game. At the of the day, that is still a below .500 team and a laughingstock in the eyes of NFL fans.

I want this team to be growing to become SB champs. The ONLY way that happens is if they draft a QB because they do not have that kind of QB right now.

By competitive, I meant playoff contention. I certainly don't believe in moral victories.

 

[McJet]

When Winston goes 1 and Mariota 2, which 2015 QB is the one you are advocating to bring immediate championships?

Are Tampa Bay and the Titans immediate championship teams with Winston and/or Mariota?

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I think even though it's a rumor with Rivers/Brees, i feel there is more than just speculation. Also given Bowles track record with his previous teams, he'd prefer a veteran at the helm than a younger QB to groom per say.

*Redskins-As a player, he saw Doug Williams, a Tampa Bay Retreat win the superbowl. Also in '91 with Mark Rypein -#VETS

*New York Jets- Defensive backs coach. Saw Vinny Testaverde, again Bucs, Browns, Ravens retread. He saw that a Vet made a team very relevant.

*Cowboys under Parcells-He saw the likes of again Retreads of Vinny and Drew Bledsoe lead their teams.

*Arizona-He saw what yet for the last time (you guys must see the pattern here) what another retread in Carson Palmer did for that organization.

I Honestly feel there is validity towards these rumors. Though in a perfect world you'd like to groom a younger QB, i strongly feel Bowles, on what he's been through in his career as a player and coach, prefers a veteran at the helm leading his offense.

If you think about it for a second, why wouldn't he. This is a mistake that his predecessor here in NY forced from the get go. He built a legit lethal defense just to have a young QB shoot the team in the foot countless times (Sanchez & Geno).

If Rivers or Brees can be had, i think Macagnan will work his ass off to make what ever financial adjustments required in order to make this rumor an actual reality.

 

[Jet Setter]

if they get him the players he wants or give him more say as a veteran qb maybe let him call plays at the line or other perks he very well could stay. It is depending on what he wants everyone has a price.

You're just guessing. Have you seen where this is the issue? He's made no mention of being at odds over talent. Here's an article which should alarm all teams that are contemplating a trade for him:

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2015/3/18/8245033/philip-rivers-wants-the-chargers-in-san-diego

 

[ucrenegade]

You're just guessing. Have you seen where this is the issue? He's made no mention of being at odds over talent. Here's an article which should alarm all teams that are contemplating a trade for him:

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2015/3/18/8245033/philip-rivers-wants-the-chargers-in-san-diego

of course i am guessing that is what a message-board is a place where people give their opinions unless it is backed up with links.

you want to stick to facts then read my life hacks thread pinned at the top.

 

[jetkwondo]

You're just guessing. Have you seen where this is the issue? He's made no mention of being at odds over talent. Here's an article which should alarm all teams that are contemplating a trade for him:

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2015/3/18/8245033/philip-rivers-wants-the-chargers-in-san-diego

I think he's forcing a trade to Tenn at #2 for Mariota by his uncharacteristic comments.... Nashville is less then 2 hours from his hometown of Decater AL where he and his high school sweetheart wife grew up. He's very vocal about the importance of family life (7 kids) in staying grounded in a career where he's seen as a rock star... San Diego fans know this about him and would forgive him if he was OK with that trade because of the uncertainty facing him with the proposed move to LA ... no PR problems for SD as far as letting a franchise QB go! The move is another story...