Cimini: Trade Up For Mariota? Don't Do It Jets

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Trade up for quarterback Marcus Mariota? Don't do it, Jets

Rich Cimini, ESPN New York Jets reporter

Don't do it, Mike. Don't trade up if the cost is exorbitant -- and by exorbitant, I mean multiple first-round picks.

In a conference call with New York Jets' season-ticket holders on Thursday, general manager Mike Maccagnan tossed out the possibility of moving up from the sixth pick. He mentioned how he likes the Jets' current position because "it does allow us the potential to move up in the draft because we're not very far from the first pick."


The cost for the Jets to move up to No. 2 to draft Marcus Mariota would be prohibitive.AP Photo/Ryan Kang
That, my friends, is a blatant smokescreen.

Not very far? That's like saying the rush-hour drive from Newark, New Jersey, to midtown Manhattan is easy because it's only 25 miles. Any commuter knows it's a lot longer than it should be.

According to the draft value chart, the cost of moving from No. 6 to No. 1 (a difference of 1,400 points) is the equivalent of moving from No. 78 to No. 6. In other words, it's a short trip that costs as much as a long journey. And Maccagnan knows it.

Forget about No. 1; we all know the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are locked into quarterback Jameis Winston. The No. 2 pick, however, could be up for sale. Even that jump (1,000 points) should be prohibitive for the Jets, who almost would have to include their 2016 first-round pick in a package.

The Tennessee Titans, holding the No. 2 pick, probably would demand more than the sixth pick and a '16 first-rounder, based on the Robert Griffin III trade in 2012. The Washington Redskins gave up three first-round picks and a second-rounder to move up four spots, going from No. 6 to No. 2. Look how that turned out.

If the Jets are thinking about a significant trade-up -- again, I think it's smoke -- they'd presumably be after Marcus Mariota. And that would be a mistake. Don't get me wrong, Mariota is a good prospect, certainly worth the sixth pick, but he's not a can't-miss, franchise quarterback. One longtime talent evaluator likened Mariota to Alex Smith of the Kansas City Chiefs -- i.e. good, not great. The Jets could use some good at quarterback, but they'd be foolish to mortgage the future.

They still have too many needs to trade away premium draft picks. They need a pass rusher. They need an offensive lineman. They need a running back. And they could use a speed receiver.

If anything, the Jets should be looking to trade down. Maccagnan also mentioned that as an option (of course he did). If Mariota is gone and they feel they still can get a quality pass rusher by moving down (we could see four edge rushers in the first 15 picks), why not? Obviously, they'd have to find a willing partner.

While a blockbuster trade for Mariota would excite the fan base and serve as the cherry on top of a hot-fudge offseason, it would be a knee-jerk move that ultimately won't pan out. And that's why I don't think it will happen.
 
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This is not a good idea. Just a topic of conversation. Please save the hate posts for another time. :smiley-cool11:

I agree with Cimini. This is a smoke screen. If they can convince the Eagles, and Browns that they are going to make it very expensive to move up, it only heightens the chance that Mariota might fall to 6

Scenario: IMO the only way the Jets' move up from 6-2. Gailey is flat in love with Mariota. At his age he wants one chance to not have to turn chicken shit into chicken soup. He convinces Macc, and Bowles that they have a good chance to win a Super Bowl with Mariota.

Do they offer Wilkerson, or maybe even Richardson, head up for #2 ? And still keep 6. Keep in mind that Gailey has convinced them Mariota is the real deal.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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I agree with Cimini, the price is too high, its a price I'm only paying for a slam-dunk franchise QB, a virtual sure thing.

IMO we should stay at 6 or trade down if someone is willing to overpay for OUR PICK, not the other way around.

And if nobody wants to overpay, just stay there and take an impact player.
 

Sarge

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If Bowles, Maccagnan, and Gailey love Mariota, think he is one of those rare players, and agree to stake their collective futures on him, they HAVE to do whatever it takes to get him.

Of course, we don't know if Maccagnan and the others think that
 

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If Bowles, Maccagnan, and Gailey love Mariota, think he is one of those rare players, and agree to stake their collective futures on him, they HAVE to do whatever it takes to get him.

Of course, we don't know if Maccagnan and the others think that
I agree, if they feel that strongly about him, then do what you must to get him, but if you trade a kings ransom to move up and get him, then you better feel that strongly about him.
 
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This is not a good idea. Just a topic of conversation. Please save the hate posts for another time. :smiley-cool11:

I agree with Cimini. This is a smoke screen. If they can convince the Eagles, and Browns that they are going to make it very expensive to move up, it only heightens the chance that Mariota might fall to 6

Scenario: IMO the only way the Jets' move up from 6-2. Gailey is flat in love with Mariota. At his age he wants one chance to not have to turn chicken shit into chicken soup. He convinces Macc, and Bowles that they have a good chance to win a Super Bowl with Mariota.

Do they offer Wilkerson, or maybe even Richardson, head up for #2 ? And still keep 6. Keep in mind that Gailey has convinced them Mariota is the real deal.

And on that point, wouldn't Gailey be inclined to push for Mariota? This gives him at minimum three years as they likely sit him for one and develop him and play at least two more before they can fairly assess his potential giving Gailey some nice retirement money in the bank. Mike needs to make HIS decision and not be swayed by other interests. Gailey doesn't likely want to be pigeon-holed with coach-killer Geno.

Again, Mike needs to make the best decision for the team and he's a former scout so he's able to judge Mariota as well as anyone here.

That's an interesting bargaining chip but Wilk would be that guy, not Richardson IMO. I don't know if they want to do that. They'd be down two players (pass rusher they could have gotten and DE). Not a good way to build a team. I hope they don't fall in love with Mariota that much.
 

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It's been stated here before, and I agree with the belief that we should not trade up for Mariota. If he was more NFL ready and polished under center, then yes, do it. But there's some uncertainty with this player, and I don't want an RGIII type of situation with the Jets where we're selling the farm for a guy who'll equate to an Alex Smith-like QB. That's setting the franchise back a few years.

No thanks.
 
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No trade ups. Tanny screwed the pooch with tradeups for Sanchez,.Greene and Hill among other HOFers and picks traded away for Holmes and Tebow.

OTOH, if Mariota is there at #6 , we need to break an ankle rushing the card with his name on it up to the podium. There are two sure bluechip franchise QBs in this draft and we definitely should not pass up the opportunity to land one of them. We haven't drafted one since 1965 so it's OUR time if he is sitting at #6 .

If gone, make it Fowler. If he's gone, Cooper or one of the other super six that just about everyone agrees on and then grab a Petty, Grayson, Hundley or Mannion in a later round for development.
 

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I don't believe Mike Maccagnan wants Mariota and I don't think he will be there for us at 6 anyway.

Even if Maccagnan DID want Mariota, he wouldn't trade up for him because the price is too high for a team that still has holes to fill. I don't believe any of the teams above us want to use their pick for him, but some are blowing smoke in order precipitate a trade. That is exactly what Maccagnan was doing this week. He hinted the Jets may trade up to so that if Mariota does fall to us, someone may feel compelled to trade with us. If I were Maccagnan, I would LOVE more picks- especially in my first draft. That said, I am fairly certain someone will trade up above us to select him. Several teams have voiced their interest in this.
 

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It's been stated here before, and I agree with the belief that we should not trade up for Mariota. If he was more NFL ready and polished under center, then yes, do it. But there's some uncertainty with this player, and I don't want an RGIII type of situation with the Jets where we're selling the farm for a guy who'll equate to an Alex Smith-like QB. That's setting the franchise back a few years.

No thanks.

I agree!
 

Jet Fan RI

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If Bowles, Maccagnan, and Gailey love Mariota, think he is one of those rare players, and agree to stake their collective futures on him, they HAVE to do whatever it takes to get him.

Of course, we don't know if Maccagnan and the others think that

And if that's what they think, all I would have to say is that that would let me know the Jets have another bunch of clowns in charge.
 

NYJDraftKing

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I regret to say that I agree with Cimini regarding trading up.... the price would have a long term ripple effect on the team..... and like other have said here I also would not pick him if he was there at #6 .
 

NYJDraftKing

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I regret to say that I agree with Cimini regarding trading up.... the price would have a long term ripple effect on the team..... and like other have said here I also would not pick him if he was there at #6 .
 

jetfandreamer

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I think Mariota ends up in Cleveland....they are a wacky franchise and they will give their two number ones for him..they know they cannot rely on Manziel and that was a mistake...and hopefully the two ones are with the Jets as a trading partner...
 

Jet Fan RI

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I think Mariota ends up in Cleveland....they are a wacky franchise and they will give their two number ones for him..they know they cannot rely on Manziel and that was a mistake...and hopefully the two ones are with the Jets as a trading partner...

Ah yes. Johnny Football. Another case-in-point demonstrating the wisdom of using a first-round draft pick on a Heisman-winning QB. And yes, the Browns have demonstrated their willingness to make such foolish moves before, and may very well shoot their wad on one of this year's two guaranteed NFL-bust Heisman-QB winners.
 
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Slight difference IMHO between Winston and Mariota and Johnny Meatball.

Neither of them are 5'8 162 lbs and both can apparently throw an accurate pass.

I guarantee that Mariota and Winston will NOT both be first round busts
 

jetfandreamer

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Slight difference IMHO between Winston and Mariota and Johnny Meatball.

Neither of them are 5'8 162 lbs and both can apparently throw an accurate pass.

I guarantee that Mariota and Winston will NOT both be first round busts

Toataly right about the size factor..even if he was a church mouse...in todays NFL there was/is no way he can succeed or was ever going to on a regular basis..he will get hurt all the time. the people saying he would be good are out of their minds.....I think even Doug Flutie..in todays NFL would struggle
 

Jet Fan RI

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Slight difference IMHO between Winston and Mariota and Johnny Meatball.

Neither of them are 5'8 162 lbs and both can apparently throw an accurate pass.

I guarantee that Mariota and Winston will NOT both be first round busts

Oooh. You're a gunslinger it seems. No Heisman winner since the 1980's has won a SB. You think one of these guys will break the string for the past 25+ years? How did these guys do in the playoffs, given their size and strength that you mention?
 

Superman55

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Jets scouting Mariota hard and the Titans scouting White hard...looks like a recipe for a switcheroo...
 
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