Pryor moved to strong safety

[Mainejet]

Because Rex Ryan was so hamstrung by John Idzik last season and left with next to nothing in the secondary, he had to have Pryor playing in a role he was not accustomed to. Pryor also complained about it as I recall.

My opinion on those issues are as follows:

Pryor has absolutely ZERO right to complain about what role Rex has him playing. Rex knows a thing or two about defense and he put him where he saw fit.

With that said, now that Bowles has gotten all the talent Rex needed but did not get, Pryor can be moved to his natural role and I think it is great news. That's what Pryor wants to do and also what he's good at. Lets hope that now we can see just how talented and a difference maker this guy can be.

 

[soj]

I like this move! Pryor was never a true free safety. His biggest weakness to his game has always been his coverage skills. Now with better corners and him being back at his real position. Pryor should be able to do what he is good at, hitting dudes at strong safety.

Agree (his weakness is/was the poor angles he takes), but I would also add that he needs to actually tackle someone not just hit them which he did an awful lot last year.

 

[NickSINYC]

Because Rex Ryan was so hamstrung by John Idzik last season and left with next to nothing in the secondary, he had to have Pryor playing in a role he was not accustomed to. Pryor also complained about it as I recall.

My opinion on those issues are as follows:

Pryor has absolutely ZERO right to complain about what role Rex has him playing. Rex knows a thing or two about defense and he put him where he saw fit.

With that said, now that Bowles has gotten all the talent Rex needed but did not get, Pryor can be moved to his natural role and I think it is great news. That's what Pryor wants to do and also what he's good at. Lets hope that now we can see just how talented and a difference maker this guy can be.

Instead of playing with one strong position and one weak one then trying to compensate with some scheme changes Rex moved a player and created two weak positions. He has made that mistake more than once over his career.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Instead of playing with one strong position and one weak one then trying to compensate with some scheme changes Rex moved a player and created two weak positions. He has made that mistake more than once over his career.

Agreed all teams should leave regular guys in their spots

 

[Superman55]

Well, I still say you don't draft an incomplete safety at 18 that can't cOver. Say what you want about rex, but he was sold a puss poor product in Pryor...no one draft a SS that can't cover in Rd 1 let alone 18...I am sure he was told he was a complete safety and played him as so knowing our CB $ sucked and discovered we made colossal draft day decision from jump. To rexs point, he did do something right in Benching the kidnonce tape got out once in coverage, he's exposed (SS gets caught in coverage too).

I hope Pryor gets his career turned around, but in the box safeties go Rd 3 and below...not 18...i, like rex, thought Pryor was a 1st Rd caliber safety...Rex discovered quickly he wasnt.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Agreed all teams should leave regular guys in their spots

I couldn't agree more. Prime example is Coples. The guy was a beast at North Carolina with his hands in the dirt. Ryan diminished his skill set by making him an OLB. Surreal.:smiley-angry046:

 

[Mainejet]

Instead of playing with one strong position and one weak one then trying to compensate with some scheme changes Rex moved a player and created two weak positions. He has made that mistake more than once over his career.

So he made this mistake more than once, ugh? Like you've always known so much better than one of the better known defensive geniuses in the game today?

This is the dumbest assumption I have ever seen.

 

[NYJDraftKing]

I think Pryor will have a breakout year!!

 

[sg3]

I think Pryor will have a breakout year!!

Agree 100%

Bowles defense is designed to adapt and put players in places that actually fit their strengths

This is much much different than the WRECKS defense which is based on a 40 year old loose leaf book or dog eared legal pad of Pop's dated scheme. That requires squeezing players like Coples, Allen, Pryor and others into square pegs that make them and the team worse.

Watch Buffalo and see the strong defense that Jim Schwartz built get 46ed into mediocrity before your eyes

 

[Superman55]

I think Pryor will have a breakout year!!

I hope so and am optimistic too. I think Bowles will keep him in the box and even use him to replace a LB in some instances. My only pessimism on him is the value of a box safety for where he was taken, a similar talent is Benard Pollard who went 54 overall, which is where top box safeties go...but in terms of Bowles finding a way to maximize an overdrafted player, I think he can do it. I wouldn't be surprised if he plays some LB replacing Harris in our nickel and dime packages...he should be better in coverage on RBs and TEs than what our LBs give us and it will keep him inside 10 yards from the line of scrimmage most of the time...which is his strength.

 

[Superman55]

Agree 100%

Bowles defense is designed to adapt and put players in places that actually fit their strengths

This is much much different than the WRECKS defense which is based on a 40 year old loose leaf book or dog eared legal pad of Pop's dated scheme. That requires squeezing players like Coples, Allen, Pryor and others into square pegs that make them and the team worse.

Watch Buffalo and see the strong defense that Jim Schwartz built get 46ed into mediocrity before your eyes

rex has never coaches a mediocre defense in his life...

 

[Lakerfan80]

Rex is a very good defensive coach and the rankings back that up but I cant think of a coach given more resources on that side of the ball. With the exception of the first two years his defense has been overrated based on those rankings. His defenses were among the worse at getting a big 3rd down stop, bad at the end of the half and the game when trying to hold the lead, and creating turnovers.

 

[sg3]

rex has never coaches a mediocre defense in his life...

I agree with Lakerfan

Pop's defense apparently never included getting off the field on third down or not allowing godawful Tim Tebow to run 80 yards down the field late in the 4th Qtr to beat you. Not to mention his stellar defenses achieving the lowest turnover numbers in franchise history the past two seasons

Maybe there is one self promoting defensive "genius" more overrated than WRECKS but that would be his twin brother who is also still trying to use Pop's dated defense from that same dog-eared legal pad

 

[Superman55]

I agree with Lakerfan

Pop's defense apparently never included getting off the field on third down or not allowing godawful Tim Tebow to run 80 yards down the field late in the 4th Qtr to beat you. Not to mention his stellar defenses achieving the lowest turnover numbers in franchise history the past two seasons

Maybe there is one self promoting defensive "genius" more overrated than WRECKS but that would be his twin brother who is also still trying to use Pop's dated defense from that same dog-eared legal pad

Wake me when he has a defense not in the top 10.

 

[sg3]

Wake me when he has a defense not in the top 10.

Why would I, Statz?

It is better for everyone at JetsFansUnited when you remain asleep with your blissful dreams about the greatness of WRECKS

 

[NickSINYC]

So he made this mistake more than once, ugh? Like you've always known so much better than one of the better known defensive geniuses in the game today?

This is the dumbest assumption I have ever seen.

I am not assuming anything. It already happened. I watched him play out of position to name just a few off the top of my head Pryor, Coples and Allen.

Rex is no genius. He is a plug and play video game coach. His scheme will work if he has the perfect player to fit in the perfect spot. He can not adjust to save his life. A real genius can devise a scheme that best suits his players. Rex forces players in to his scheme whether than can do the job or not.

 

[Football51]

I am not assuming anything. It already happened. I watched him play out of position to name just a few off the top of my head Pryor, Coples and Allen.

Rex is no genius. He is a plug and play video game coach. His scheme will work if he has the perfect player to fit in the perfect spot. He can not adjust to save his life. A real genius can devise a scheme that best suits his players. Rex forces players in to his scheme whether than can do the job or not.

Agreed Nick. Rex was dealt a poor hand at cb by Idzik. However, he compounded the issue by playing one of his favorites(Dwan Landry) at ss instead of Pryor. During the preseason, while playing ss, Pryor was the top ranked safety. Ryan put Pryor in a position he wasn't ready for. Now, they doesn't mean he'll never be capable of it, but he wasn't right out of the gate. Ryan also took Allen(who was emerging at FS in 2013) and moved him to cb. It was Ryan's blind loyalty(Landry) and stubbornness(refusing early on to adjust his scheme) which made Idzik's lack of cb acquisitions much worse. Everyone could see the big difference in the cb play when Ryan switched to a more cover 2 look. He waited too long and failed to adjust. Just like he did when he had David Harris covering Golden Tate when we played the Lions. Rex is a horrible HC, but is a very good DC. I no longer view him as a genius because of his blind loyalty to past their prime players and an unwillingness to adjust his precious scheme.

 

[Football51]

I'll also add that he benched Allen in 2013 after Allen started to emerge(including the pick 6 on Brady) in favor of Ed Reed who was down right awful on the field. When we signed Reed, Ryan lied and said that he would come off the bench as the third safety. He was starting and playing 60+ snaps right from the start. Reed contributed off the field with the young players in the film room, but he was a disaster on the field.

 

[Football51]

Why would I, Statz?

It is better for everyone at JetsFansUnited when you remain asleep with your blissful dreams about the greatness of WRECKS

There's no need for this. Personal attacks aren't necessary.

 

[NickSINYC]

I'll also add that he benched Allen in 2013 after Allen started to emerge(including the pick 6 on Brady) in favor of Ed Reed who was down right awful on the field. When we signed Reed, Ryan lied and said that he would come off the bench as the third safety. He was starting and playing 60+ snaps right from the start. Reed contributed off the field with the young players in the film room, but he was a disaster on the field.

IMO Rex played aging and injured players over young healthy players too often. He was either too loyal or too stubborn maybe both. Take your pick.