Jace Amaro calls out Rex Ryan and the former regime/Rex responds

[jetfandreamer]

JMO but I think Rex was going to have his team pumped to the max and ready to play the Jets balls to the walls before Amaro opened his mouth. I don't think anything he said will make a difference.

Im not worried about Rex....

 

[Bronx]

So now you're telling me Amaro is Jimmy Graham??? Ridiculous, he looks like he should develop into a nice starting TE, but you can compare the numbers all you like there was nothing "explosive" about Amaro the way there is with Graham, and Graham never had a problem hanging onto the ball. Besides, this entire topic was about what he said not what he's done, and the bottom line is for a second year player to make comments like he did is just plain stupid. I don't care who he plays for, it could be the Patriots and it would still be a dumb thing to do. If some of you want to pretend it wasn't stupid ill-advised feel free.

From rotoworld, an unbiased opinion

With Rex Ryan grounding-n-pounding, Jace Amaro only played on 39.3 percent of the snaps as a rookie and ran a paltry 18.1 routes per game. It’s not a surprise as he was coming from Texas Tech’s spread offense, where he was essentially a slot receiver that ripped off an absurd 106-1,352-7 line as a junior. We knew the NFL was going to be a major adjustment for Amaro.

So perhaps more than any other player in the 2014 tight end draft class, Amaro is set up for a leap. It certainly helps that new OC Chan Gailey is bringing his spread philosophy to town, a scheme that gets playmakers in space. Amaro is nothing if not a playmaker -- he wasn’t a top-50 draft pick for his blocking.

 

[grogan14]

From rotoworld, an unbiased opinion

I'm sure there are a lot of "so called unbiased" opinions on the skills of a lot of players. That doesn't change my assessment of what I saw from him as rookie. He did some nice things and based on what I saw he should develop into a nice player, just how good time will tell. However for the poster I was originally responding to, to compare him to Jimmy Graham, is just ridiculous.

 

[Superman55]

I'm sure there are a lot of "so called unbiased" opinions on the skills of a lot of players. That doesn't change my assessment of what I saw from him as rookie. He did some nice things and based on what I saw he should develop into a nice player, just how good time will tell. However for the poster I was originally responding to, to compare him to Jimmy Graham, is just ridiculous.

One player that isn't ridiculous to compare him to, is this guy:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4527/jason-witten

Almost identical size, speed, rookie stats, strengths, and weaknesses. He may not be Jimmy Graham...that is Ebron's build/mold...but Ill take a Jason Witten.

 

[Bronx]

I'm sure there are a lot of "so called unbiased" opinions on the skills of a lot of players. That doesn't change my assessment of what I saw from him as rookie. He did some nice things and based on what I saw he should develop into a nice player, just how good time will tell. However for the poster I was originally responding to, to compare him to Jimmy Graham, is just ridiculous.

I will welcome any other opinions , please post them

 

[grogan14]

One player that isn't ridiculous to compare him to, is this guy:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4527/jason-witten

Almost identical size, speed, rookie stats, strengths, and weaknesses. He may not be Jimmy Graham...that is Ebron's build/mold...but Ill take a Jason Witten.

Who wouldn't, I just think with a lot of young players it's easy to look at them and assume they are always going to be better in year two and three and end up with exaggerated expectations comparing them to players they have no business being mentioned in the same breath with. A lot times what you see in year one is pretty much what you get going forward.

 

[hobson54]

I'm sure there are a lot of "so called unbiased" opinions on the skills of a lot of players. That doesn't change my assessment of what I saw from him as rookie. He did some nice things and based on what I saw he should develop into a nice player, just how good time will tell. However for the poster I was originally responding to, to compare him to Jimmy Graham, is just ridiculous.

actually, he didn't compare him to jimmy graham (i agree that at this juncture, that would be ridiculous). we he did do is point out his rookie year production (with geno/vick at QB, as opposed to drew brees) wasn't that different than jimmy graham's

 

[Superman55]

Who wouldn't, I just think with a lot of young players it's easy to look at them and assume they are always going to be better in year two and three and end up with exaggerated expectations comparing them to players they have no business being mentioned in the same breath with. A lot times what you see in year one is pretty much what you get going forward.

Saying they will be more successful, I am sure, likely has an equivalent probability to them not being as successful...and comparing a young players game to an established vet's is more like a benchmark for achievement, no player is exactly like another player, so to get too wrapped up in a comparison is foolish to begin with.

To my point, Amaro and Witten had almost identical stats as rookies...and Witten built upon them. I am sure Cowboys fans at the time hoped he would, and he did. Amaro, who was a far superior college athlete and performer than Witten, made the jump to the NFL, played with far less talent around him and at QB, and had better numbers than Witten's (slightly better across the board). I dont think stating similar projections is any more outlandish than making projections he will not ascend like Witten...wouldn't you agree?

 

[ucrenegade]

i don't think i see him as a jimmy graham but like someone said more a jason witten type and you def have to take into account the qb mess that the jets had.

 

[grogan14]

Saying they will be more successful, I am sure, likely has an equivalent probability to them not being as successful...and comparing a young players game to an established vet's is more like a benchmark for achievement, no player is exactly like another player, so to get too wrapped up in a comparison is foolish to begin with.

To my point, Amaro and Witten had almost identical stats as rookies...and Witten built upon them. I am sure Cowboys fans at the time hoped he would, and he did. Amaro, who was a far superior college athlete and performer than Witten, made the jump to the NFL, played with far less talent around him and at QB, and had better numbers than Witten's (slightly better across the board). I dont think stating similar projections is any more outlandish than making projections he will not ascend like Witten...wouldn't you agree?

I would agree for the most part, I just think we as fans always tend to take the sunny side of the street when it comes to rookies, both in what they are and what we want them to be. It's just funny you always hear people saying "well this guy caught 30 balls as rookie last year, so he's going to be good for at least 60 this year." If you look at the statistics it's probably pretty even between improvement and regression with some percentage of staying the same in there. Yet we all pretty much approach it like a fact that a players going to be better year two. Such is being a fan I guess.

 

[Superman55]

I would agree for the most part, I just think we as fans always tend to take the sunny side of the street when it comes to rookies, both in what they are and what we want them to be. It's just funny you always hear people saying "well this guy caught 30 balls as rookie last year, so he's going to be good for at least 60 this year." If you look at the statistics it's probably pretty even between improvement and regression with some percentage of staying the same in there. Yet we all pretty much approach it like a fact that a players going to be better year two. Such is being a fan I guess.

Consider the meaning of the word "fan," then optimism about what they are fans of should not be a surprise...

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

actually, he didn't compare him to jimmy graham (i agree that at this juncture, that would be ridiculous). we he did do is point out his rookie year production (with geno/vick at QB, as opposed to drew brees) wasn't that different than jimmy graham's

Beat me to it, Hobson. The point being made regarding Graham was meant to emphasize that perhaps the best TE in the league had similar stats to Amaro in their respective rookie seasons. I'll watch another year of Amaro before I jump on the knee-jerk reaction train that assumes Amaro has a drop problem. One year, and people think they've got the kid all figured out.

 

[lounap23]

I think for a rookie... in the QB situation he had, he performed well... A few to many drops for my liking in key situations but not alarming... WE are a bunch of over reactors here!!

 

[jetfandreamer]

I think for a rookie... in the QB situation he had, he performed well... A few to many drops for my liking in key situations but not alarming... WE are a bunch of over reactors here!!

Tell me about it

 

[Bronx]

I would agree for the most part, I just think we as fans always tend to take the sunny side of the street when it comes to rookies, both in what they are and what we want them to be. It's just funny you always hear people saying "well this guy caught 30 balls as rookie last year, so he's going to be good for at least 60 this year." If you look at the statistics it's probably pretty even between improvement and regression with some percentage of staying the same in there. Yet we all pretty much approach it like a fact that a players going to be better year two. Such is being a fan I guess.

That's why I posted an objective point of view

 

[SackExchange]

I would agree for the most part, I just think we as fans always tend to take the sunny side of the street when it comes to rookies, both in what they are and what we want them to be. It's just funny you always hear people saying "well this guy caught 30 balls as rookie last year, so he's going to be good for at least 60 this year." If you look at the statistics it's probably pretty even between improvement and regression with some percentage of staying the same in there. Yet we all pretty much approach it like a fact that a players going to be better year two. Such is being a fan I guess.

You haven't spent much time around the Jets' fan base, I take it. This is one of the most negative, doom-and-gloom fanbases in the league.

I guess Pats fans, who have largely forgotten the 1960-2001 era, assume that every move their team makes is golden, that every guy will work out because of Belichick, Brady, and the Patriot Way. But Jets fans are much more jaded.

 

[grogan14]

You haven't spent much time around the Jets' fan base, I take it. This is one of the most negative, doom-and-gloom fanbases in the league.

I guess Pats fans, who have largely forgotten the 1960-2001 era, assume that every move their team makes is golden, that every guy will work out because of Belichick, Brady, and the Patriot Way. But Jets fans are much more jaded.

I'm not sure who you're talking about, and I've never said or inferred anything about the Patriots in the way that you're talking about here. In point of fact if had I posted a response as antagonistic as yours I'm sure you would be the first one here accusing me of being a Troll. I'm actually having no problem interacting with many Jets fans here, both agreeing and disagreeing on topics in a civil way. Perhaps it's best you and I don't interact.

 

[Superman55]

 

[sg3]

I'm not sure who you're talking about, and I've never said or inferred anything about the Patriots in the way that you're talking about here. In point of fact if had I posted a response as antagonistic as yours I'm sure you would be the first one here accusing me of being a Troll. I'm actually having no problem interacting with many Jets fans here, both agreeing and disagreeing on topics in a civil way. Perhaps it's best you and I don't interact.

Hey Sack, I think you have the tools available to arrange for no future interactions as he requested

Hammertime[emoji375] [emoji375] [emoji375]

 

[SackExchange]

I'm not sure who you're talking about, and I've never said or inferred anything about the Patriots in the way that you're talking about here. In point of fact if had I posted a response as antagonistic as yours I'm sure you would be the first one here accusing me of being a Troll. I'm actually having no problem interacting with many Jets fans here, both agreeing and disagreeing on topics in a civil way. Perhaps it's best you and I don't interact.

You seem to think I am the only one who has been bothered by what you have been saying. I have seen several other posters call you out. I have seen you get snippy and arrogant with other Jets fans in threads I had not even joined. I have seen posters who used to support you now say that you are trending toward trolling.

That aside, nothing in my post was in any way inflammatory toward you. It was an observation. The Jets have one of the most cynical, jaded fan bases in the league, and the Pats have one of the most positive and optimistic. If you can't handle simple truths, then no, there's no point in interacting any further. Nothing I said in that post was inflammatory toward you. Nothing.