Snacks for Andrew Whitworth ... Just Do It

[Green Jets & Ham]

Andrew Whitworth (6' 6"/330) is 33 years old, but he's still playing at a high level.

How high?

16 Games at LT last year and he gave up a grand total of ZERO sacks.

A lot of people felt like he should have been first team All-Pro last year, instead he was a Pro Bowl alternate, but because of his age the Bengals went and drafted not one, but two OT's this weekend, in the first two rounds!

In the first round they took the OT from Texas A&M, Cedric Ogbuehi, then came back in the second round and drafted Jake Fisher, and they already have a 28 year old former TOP 10 Pick, Andre Smith, firmly entrenched at RT.

Whitworth may not be a rocket scientist, but he can do basic mathematics and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the 33 year old in this group is the guy they are looking to replace after 2015, which is the final year of his contract.

So Whitworth has already expressed his displeasure with the Bengals drafting TWO OT's with their first two picks, after he had his best season as a pro, and now he's demanding a contract extension he is unlikely to receive.

This is a perfect opportunity to poach an upper echelon OT who would represent a massive upgrade over Giacomini.

That said, they came into this draft with a 4-3 NT being their primary need, and they rolled a snake-eyes.

We, OTHO, drafted another DE/DT hybrid when Williams fell into our laps, and later drafted a highly regarded small school NT, Deon Simon. We also have another young NT in TJ Barnes, and we signed the veteran NT Kevin Vickerson too.

Lastly, Snacks is in the last year of his contract and with the money we have to invest in Williams, Sheldon and Mo Wilkerson, I think most of us realize this is likely the last year Snacks will be a Jet, thus the drafting of Simon late.

So I'm proposing the Jets give the Bengals a call and offer Snacks for Whitworth in a one for one swap.

We trade from excess on the D-line to address a glaring need with a quality veteran, and they do likewise.

Its a perfect fit for both teams, and while admittedly they get younger, Whitworth makes us a much better team in the short term than Snacks would, because the need at RT is so much greater, and we can probably give him a two year extension and sqeeuze two or three good years out of him.

LT Brick Ferguson
LG Aboushi/Harrison/Dozier/Winters
C Nick Mangold
RG James Carpenter
RT Andrew Whitworth

Get on the horn with the Bengals, this is not a crazy proposal, we can do this.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Then sign La'el Collins too and this O-line would be terrific

LT Brick Ferguson
LG La'el Collins
C Nick Mangold
RG James Carpenter
RT Andrew Whitworth

 

[Elias]

We might be able to swing it for something less valuable like a fourth round draft pick. I'd be okay with that.

 

[NickSINYC]

Luv ya Ham but I think you are falling into the same trap you did with the Stacy trade. Offering too much to get a player their team may not want or need anymore especially if their draft picks pan out right away.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Luv ya Ham but I think you are falling into the same trap you did with the Stacy trade. Offering too much to get a player their team may not want or need anymore especially if their draft picks pan out right away.

If we can get him for less I'm all for it, but Mac needs to call the Bengals and gage their interest in dealing Whitworth.

I'm guessing they are willing to deal after taking two OT's with their first two picks and having a former TOP 10 Pick entrenched at RT. Whitworth is not happy and the Bengals are not giving him an extension.

 

[OCCH]

The bigger point here is we have some pretty valuable trade bait.

Some people think it's Mo, others Snacks . . . regardless, the Jets have the same decision the Mets do with all their young pitching -- at what point do you deal from a strength to improve a weakness?

Should be an interesting summer . . .

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

The bigger point here is we have some pretty valuable trade bait.

Some people think it's Mo, others Snacks . . . regardless, the Jets have the same decision the Mets do with all their young pitching -- at what point do you deal from a strength to improve a weakness?

Should be an interesting summer . . .

Exactly, if they want to take someone like Kevin Vickerson and a 4th or 5th RD Pick, fine, but I'll be shocked if we can get Whitworth for so little.

Ordinarily I wouldn't deal Snacks for Whitworth due to the age discrepancy, but Whitworth is playing at an extremely high level and we can't keep Snacks beyond this year anyway, and for us he's a luxury, not a necessity.

Maybe we get them to throw us back a 4th or 5th RD Pick to make up for the age difference.

 

[nycdan]

Who's going to play NT if we deal Snacks? Barnes is the only other guy with that size on our DL. Not sure if Snacks is a luxury at the moment. Mo, Sheldon and Williams are all similar players from a position perspective but none of them can really replace Harrison.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Who's going to play NT if we deal Snacks? Barnes is the only other guy with that size on our DL. Not sure if Snacks is a luxury at the moment. Mo, Sheldon and Williams are all similar players from a position perspective but none of them can really replace Harrison.

Bowles mentioned interchangeability on the d-line: players need to move around and be versatile. With that said, I see no reason to unload Snacks. He's stout defending the run, and honestly, I don't want to break up "the anarchy". :smiley-cool11:

 

[ucrenegade]

I don't trade one of the best young keyword being young NT in the game for a 34 year old that is just not good business.

 

[nycdan]

Bowles mentioned interchangeability on the d-line: players need to move around and be versatile. With that said, I see no reason to unload Snacks. He's stout defending the run, and honestly, I don't want to break up "the anarchy". :smiley-cool11:

I'm not sure what Bowles really means by that. 'Interchangeable' sounds nice but Kris Jenkins and Jon Abraham both play defensive line. In what scenario are they interchangeable?

 

[Parcells123]

Nope- wouldn't do it. Snacks is too young and too good to trade for a 33 year old Tackle. Plus as mentioned, he's probably gone from Cincy after this year anyway.
I know some posters think the Jets offensive line is a huge weakness, but my gut tells me that it's going to be a lot better than people think. Part of the problem is that Geno Smith holds the ball wayyy too long on plays where he should be seeing the hot receiver and getting rid of the ball in a couple of seconds. Once there is a QB in place that can deliver the ball faster (whether it's Smith, Fitz or whoever), the line will be fine.

 

[OCCH]

Nope- wouldn't do it. Snacks is too young and too good to trade for a 33 year old Tackle. Plus as mentioned, he's probably gone from Cincy after this year anyway.
I know some posters think the Jets offensive line is a huge weakness, but my gut tells me that it's going to be a lot better than people think. Part of the problem is that Geno Smith holds the ball wayyy too long on plays where he should be seeing the hot receiver and getting rid of the ball in a couple of seconds. Once there is a QB in place that can deliver the ball faster (whether it's Smith, Fitz or whoever), the line will be fine.

While Snacks may not be appropriate compensation, we should still see if there's SOMETHING we can give them for a guy they might deem expendable.

Our OL may not be a critical weakness, but you NEVER pass up an opportunity to bolster it . . .

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I'm not sure what Bowles really means by that. 'Interchangeable' sounds nice but Kris Jenkins and Jon Abraham both play defensive line. In what scenario are they interchangeable?

I believe Bowles runs a defensive scheme where the fronts change often, and players move around from different spots.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

While Snacks may not be appropriate compensation, we should still see if there's SOMETHING we can give them for a guy they might deem expendable.

Our OL may not be a critical weakness, but you NEVER pass up an opportunity to bolster it . . .

Exactly right, the important thing here is this guy can be had and we ought to be proactive in seeing what it will take to get him. If we can get him for less than Snacks, great, but we need to be talking to the Bengals because he's obviously expendable now.

 

[OCCH]

Exactly right, the important thing here is this guy can be had and we ought to be proactive in seeing what it will take to get him. If we can get him for less than Snacks, great, but we need to be talking to the Bengals because he's obviously expendable now.

This team would REALLY benefit from a Pete Kendall situation . . .

 

[lounap23]

AS great as Mo is and Sheldon is and what we think Williams would be.. When it comes to the 3-4 NT position... Snacks is the best. He makes it possible for DE's and LB's in the 3-4 to do what they do. Without Snacks our D takes a bigger loss than losing Mo or Richardson. Can we rotate some guys in their yes.... But it is easier to find a Mo, a Sheldon, a Williams than a Snacks.

Just my opinion

 

[jetfandreamer]

Would be a stupid trade at this point

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Would be a stupid trade at this point

Again, Snacks was just a suggestion, the important part is that the Bengals now have a glut at OT and Whitworth can probably be had in a trade, and IMO we should be talking to them about it.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

http://www.wcpo.com/sports/troublesome-tweet-from-andrew-whitworth-leaves-bengals-fans-in-shock

It took only one troublesome tweet from Bengal Andrew Whitworth's account to leave Bengals fans in shock Wednesday.

The tweet's message looked like Whitworth was leaving the Cincinnati football team. And the tweet came as Whitworth is campaigning for a new contract.

The heart and soul of the Bengals is not happy. The 10-year Bengals' offensive tackle knows his team might have just drafted his eventual replacement.

Wednesday night, Whitworth seemed to send a shock wave through Cincinnati by apparently tweeting:

"Mike Brown told me I'm done here. Said I can play this year and go home. So I told him I want a raise, or I'll sit my a-- at home."

As it turns out, it wasn't Whitworth who sent the tweet. It was his wife, Melissa.

She thought she was sending the tweet to only one of Whitworth's teammates, but instead, it went to Whitworth's almost 20,000 followers.

Melissa spoke with WCPO Wednesday night.

"It was a joke," she said. "It was a wife angry in the moment. Andrew would never say anything like that."

Earlier in the week, Whitworth said he was surprised — just like everyone else — when the Bengals took tackles Cedric Ogbuehi in the first round and Jake Fisher in the second. Ogbuehi is still recovering from knee surgery, making him more of a down-the-road option.

Whitworth is entering the final season on his contract. He has reached out to the team several times to try to get a read on where he stands in its plans. So far, he's heard nothing.

"I've tried to find out where I am," he said Monday. "Not about the (contract) extension as much as: What's my status? I'm sure my status is I'll be the left tackle this year; I'd be shocked if I wasn't. Outside of that, I don't really know, so I don't really have an answer for you."

Right tackle Andre Smith is entering the final year on a three-year deal and doesn't know what to make of the Bengals' decision to go for two tackles at the top of the draft.

"The starting five, they'll be out there, and I'm on the starting five," Smith said, referring to the line. "Who knows where it may go? Just compete and don't worry about it."

Whitworth has been the Bengals' leader and union representative for several years. During the NFL's lockout in 2011, he organized team workouts. On Saturday, he hosted a get-together for the offensive line at his home. Ogbuehi had to return home, but Fisher accepted an invitation and spent time talking to Whitworth about the NFL.

Whitworth said the team's refusal to discuss its plans with him makes it difficult for him to function as a leader.

"It's hard to do that when that feeling's not reciprocated, when really it's just a one-way street: 'We'd like you to prepare two guys to be really good football players. We'd like you to be the leader of our football team, but we'd also like to have the best situation possible for us to talk to you when we want to,'" Whitworth said.

"It's a one-way street and not really top of the line in customer service there."

Whitworth doesn't plan to change, but he'll be wondering what's going to happen next.

"I've mentored and been there for a lot of guys on this team," Whitworth said. "Yeah, there's guys who are concerned. I'm concerned as well. There's nothing I can do about it. It's out of my hands."