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Ted Wells report on Deflate Gate being released now
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kid bullies in school..HIM and his parents should be responsible
EXACTLY...this will be a watershed moment for NFL......and it will seem like favoritism if it isnt....
The problem is, there is no direct proof. There is a ton of evidence.
That said, even the court of law, which is held to a MUCH higher burden on proof, can convict without 100% proof. Look at Hernandez. There is no video of him shooting Lloyd. But the other evidence makes a case that no reasonable person can defend.
In this case, there is no video of a needle entering a football. But there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing. And the lack of a video suggests that the Pats deliberately concealed what they did, which is an admission of guilt. They didn't fully cooperate with the investigation, and still there is enough evidence to reasonably presume the Pats did it, with Brady at least knowing if not being more directly involved. And unlike the judicial system, there is no presumption of innocence. This is a private matter. The league can do whatever it wants.
That said, even the court of law, which is held to a MUCH higher burden on proof, can convict without 100% proof. Look at Hernandez. There is no video of him shooting Lloyd. But the other evidence makes a case that no reasonable person can defend.
In this case, there is no video of a needle entering a football. But there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing. And the lack of a video suggests that the Pats deliberately concealed what they did, which is an admission of guilt. They didn't fully cooperate with the investigation, and still there is enough evidence to reasonably presume the Pats did it, with Brady at least knowing if not being more directly involved. And unlike the judicial system, there is no presumption of innocence. This is a private matter. The league can do whatever it wants.
shannon sharpe @ShannonSharpe · 4h4 hours ago
Ppl will say Coach Belichick didn't know. In the words of Commish Goodell to S. Payton. You're the hd coach. You should've known.
BULLSEYE
Ppl will say Coach Belichick didn't know. In the words of Commish Goodell to S. Payton. You're the hd coach. You should've known.
BULLSEYE
I would also consider this more like a civil lawsuit where the burden of proof would be preponderance of the evidence not reasonable doubt.
Bill Polian cleared this up today on NFL Live (ESPN). He sat on the competition committee for many years and helped write the bylaws, and he said you don't need a smoking gun, all thats required is a preponderance of evidence that points to probable guilt, thats why the Wells reports conclusion is suffice to establish guilt and the subsequent punishment.
I would argue this is the equivalent of a doctored bat in baseball, corked. Maybe a scuffed ball, but it seems like it was doctored behind the scenes, which suggests a conspiracy. A ball is scuffed secretly during play. A bat is corked in private.
Should the coach be held responsible? When an organization prides itself on the HC keeping tight reins, and knowing EVERYTHING that happens with the team, he can't feign ignorance.
Should the coach be held responsible? When an organization prides itself on the HC keeping tight reins, and knowing EVERYTHING that happens with the team, he can't feign ignorance.
You and Dr. Seuss are both right.
It is more like a civil trial than a criminal one, and preponderance of evidence is enough for the competition committee.
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I find it funny that the officials told Brady he could use a kicking ball to start the second half because the game balls were still being tested and he refused.
But there is video of the ball guy taking the balls into a restroom, plus a scientific test, aprt of the official report, demonstrating he had time enough to deflate the balls. Plus testimony of a cursing official wondering why the balls disappeared from the officials' locker room. - More than enough evidence for a heavy set of penalties.
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They the patriots legal counsel even "provided" a person that wouldn't give his name and only a phone interview to try and explain the texts were about trying to sell McNally's season tickets and not about deflation of balls.
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This cover up or attempt is right on par with Watergate
Absolutely. There is more than enough evidence to suggest the Patriots deserve punishment. Aside from the tests which show the Pats' footballs deflated and not the Colts', and neither team's footballs deflated in the second half, you have to consider the violation of a league rule when McNally took the ball bag from the officials' room without express permission from the officials.
Is that the mysterious "JF" from Quincy?
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Yep who couldn't be seen or could hand over his phone
And that scumbag Kraft has the audacity to say the Pats cooperated with the investigation.
1. They didn't allow investigators to follow up with McNally when they requested it.
2. Brady refused the investigators' request to examine his electronic correspondence.
3. They didn't allow an in-person meeting, or even the chance to know the identity of, this JF from Quincy, only allowing a phone interview which was monitored by Patriots legal counsel.
I don't know what his definition of "cooperate" is, but that is not it.
And let's add in the Pats' refusal to cooperate with the investigation: Brady refusing to hand over his phone to investigators plus the Pats' refusing to make McNally available for further interviews. - The more I think about the contents of that report, the better I feel about my penalty predictions. Heck, I think Brady simply refusing to hand over his phone alone would get him suspended for a few games. So for the whole ball of wax. including the texting evidence that he directed the deflation to get done? I think a 1 year suspension for him is a reasonable guess.
I know a lot of people would disagree with very good reason but that is why I said I would like to see congress get involved. I would like to see a report that has the power of the subpoena behind it written and turned in.