This is the season we find out re: Geno

[sg3]

Let me show you how it's done, although Big Moe pretty much just did



"I've watched Geno make a mess of the Jets QB position for two full seasons and in my opinion, HE STINKS.

I am thankful that Maccagnan and Bowles have probably watched those two seasons on tape and have taken aggressive actions to fix our QB disaster by trading for an experienced relatively mistake free older vet in Ryan Fitzpatrick, resigning Matt Simms and drafting a potential franchise QB in Bryce Petty in the fourth round.

I am pretty certain these actions foretell that Smith will NOT be the Jets starting QB and that he will probably be waived during or at the end of the season. IMO this is great for my NY Jets"

LET'S GO JETS

 

[jets82]

Let me show you how it's done, although Big Moe pretty much just did



"I've watched Geno make a mess of the Jets QB position for two full seasons and in my opinion, HE STINKS.

I am thankful that Maccagnan and Bowles have probably watched those two seasons on tape and have taken aggressive actions to fix our QB disaster by trading for an experienced relatively mistake free older vet in Ryan Fitzpatrick, resigning Matt Simms and drafting a potential franchise QB in Bryce Petty in the fourth round.

I am pretty certain these actions foretell that Smith will NOT be the Jets starting QB and that he will probably be waived during or at the end of the season. IMO this is great for my NY Jets"

LET'S GO JETS

Once again, whatever!

 

[sg3]

We know

Your crush on Geno cannot be dulled with facts of any kind


So once again, I will cease discussing him with you and let you continue to gurgle on and on and on and on like a 12 year old school girl about your love for Geno, his improvement, his winning the competition and leading the Jets to greatness

I'll reread Grimm's Fairy Tales instead

Gush on

 

[Football51]

Just a guess Elias, but I'm thinking that this thread didn't turn out the way you had hoped

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

So when you infer that Geno HAS shown flashes of brilliance, you're using ONE game as your ammunition? One measly game in two seasons? Do you often operate on such thin lines? Do you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing?

If that's the case then you win. Geno is f*cking awesome and he's going to make Brady his b*tch twice this season. Definitely the second coming of Joe Montana.

Huh? You referenced the Miami game as being the only good game. I said there have been more good games than just that one. Again, you and the other "kill Geno at all costs" critics are wrong in that notion.

 

[Football51]

Huh? You referenced the Miami game as being the only good game. I said there have been more good games than just that one. Again, you and the other "kill Geno at all costs" critics are wrong in that notion.

Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · May 15

Smith's stats post benching as #Jets starter: http://wp.me/p4ulgP-72w 78/122 (63%), 6 TDs, 3 INTs, 76 rushing yards




Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · May 15

If you take away this game: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000424725/article/jets-coaches-predetermined-throws-for-geno-smith …Last 7 starts: 121/199 (60%), 9 TDs, 4 INTs, 124 rushing yards #Jets

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

So, here's my question - how bad would Geno have had to play to lose the support of the supporters?

My issue with this discussion is the lack of context. People keep trying to bring other QBs in to the mix, like Peyton Manning and Terry Bradshaw, but again, I don't see anyone mentioning the Leinarts and the Brady Quinns of the world. You guys are going around acting like there's never been a bad QB, that they all "develop" into productive players, like Bradshaw and Manning. But we all know that that isn't true. For every Bradshaw, there are, what, 50 failed QBs?

Here's a fact: You don't make it to the NFL without having ability. You don't make it to this level without being athletic. It's not much of an argument in anyone's favor to say he has physical tools. They all do. Lots of REALLY athletic guys don't have the ability to be QB. They're called wide receivers, running backs, defensive backs. It's like saying "I have to buy that house, it has a chandelier," when every house has one, and all the other houses are obviously nicer. It's true, but so what? It's not an argument for one over the other, because they share the trait. You need mental tools, too, to succeed at this position, and essentially, I haven't seen anyone here say that they think that Geno displayed those tools. There's a free-floating hope that he "gets it" in year three, but no one is saying "we have to start this guy, he's a leader and he's respected by his teammates." So, isn't that an issue? What I saw was a player who, despite physical ability, made game breaking poor decisions on a regular basis, and then when there was adversity, cursed out the fans. When the season still meant something, he played his worst. When it meant nothing, he played his best. I'm not saying that he CAN'T improve, but I'm saying that these are MAJOR RED FLAGS that I wouldn't ignore if they were shown by a QB for any other team in the league.

No one here would think anything of calling Geno bad if he wasn't on the Jets, IMO.

Just IMO, but there is absolutely no need to be so rude to one another on this, or any, topic. There is no need to accuse one another of secret agendas, racism, bias, whatever. Frankly, I think it is way out of line, and it adds absolutely nothing to the discussion, but has instead the effect of polarizing people into camps, which is bad for the health of a message board. You can think someone is an asshole, there's nothing wrong with that. But let readers draw their own conclusions! If what someone wrote makes you think "geez, that guy's an asshole," then maybe other readers will think the same thing. Let the readers form their own opinions!

 

[Football51]

Really good post JohnnyBaseball1.

 

[jets82]

So, here's my question - how bad would Geno have had to play to lose the support of the supporters?

My issue with this discussion is the lack of context. People keep trying to bring other QBs in to the mix, like Peyton Manning and Terry Bradshaw, but again, I don't see anyone mentioning the Leinarts and the Brady Quinns of the world. You guys are going around acting like there's never been a bad QB, that they all "develop" into productive players, like Bradshaw and Manning. But we all know that that isn't true. For every Bradshaw, there are, what, 50 failed QBs?

Here's a fact: You don't make it to the NFL without having ability. You don't make it to this level without being athletic. It's not much of an argument in anyone's favor to say he has physical tools. They all do. Lots of REALLY athletic guys don't have the ability to be QB. They're called wide receivers, running backs, defensive backs. It's like saying "I have to buy that house, it has a chandelier," when every house has one, and all the other houses are obviously nicer. It's true, but so what? It's not an argument for one over the other, because they share the trait. You need mental tools, too, to succeed at this position, and essentially, I haven't seen anyone here say that they think that Geno displayed those tools. There's a free-floating hope that he "gets it" in year three, but no one is saying "we have to start this guy, he's a leader and he's respected by his teammates." So, isn't that an issue? What I saw was a player who, despite physical ability, made game breaking poor decisions on a regular basis, and then when there was adversity, cursed out the fans. When the season still meant something, he played his worst. When it meant nothing, he played his best. I'm not saying that he CAN'T improve, but I'm saying that these are MAJOR RED FLAGS that I wouldn't ignore if they were shown by a QB for any other team in the league.

No one here would think anything of calling Geno bad if he wasn't on the Jets, IMO.

Just IMO, but there is absolutely no need to be so rude to one another on this, or any, topic. There is no need to accuse one another of secret agendas, racism, bias, whatever. Frankly, I think it is way out of line, and it adds absolutely nothing to the discussion, but has instead the effect of polarizing people into camps, which is bad for the health of a message board. You can think someone is an asshole, there's nothing wrong with that. But let readers draw their own conclusions! If what someone wrote makes you think "geez, that guy's an asshole," then maybe other readers will think the same thing. Let the readers form their own opinions!

I can definitely can respect this post! This is why they play the game and the great thing here is Mac and Bowles holds no loyalty to Geno. So if Geno flops they will pull his ass real quick. If he isn't good enough, he won't even be the starter and they may even cut him as so many people want them to do. If anything, they hold more loyalty to Fitz because they traded for him and Petty because they drafted him. So the odds are clearly against Geno.

More people (meaning fans) are rooting against him (not saying YOU) then pulling for him, his first two years weren't impressive at all so his back is against the wall in that respect, he was just a second round pick so there won't be that much of a hard ache in benching or cutting him and last, he is not the chosen QB of this regime. So if he can overcome all of this, then there is something to be said about his improvement, heart and determination to be a NFL QB. If he flops, then he flops and we move on.

 

[Savage69]

yeah but NFL was more conservative it seemed obv i never watched any of the games just seen highlights and stuff. So I would def defer to you on this.

I agree the NFL was known for 3 yds and a cloud of dust..LOL As far as passing today and the difference from the AFL days is there is much more dink and dunk today the AFL was a bomb throwing league.. You don't see many W/R's today avg over 20 yards per catch like Maynard did quite a bit..

 

[sg3]

So you're on the record saying you believe Geno is our future at QB, right? I mean, you've got the stats to back it up, and anyone who disagrees is obviously a hater, so I guess that means you're comfortable with him being behind center for the next decade, right?

Or are Geno-apologists the only ones who are allowed to hedge their bets? It's OK if they're wrong, because at least they were "rooting for the team". But anyone who thinks the best thing for this team is to move on from a failed experiment is just needlessly bashing the kid, right?

Well, I hope you're right. I'll openly admit I don't think you are, but I guess I just have to question if I'm a real fan in the first place . . .

hands clapping double smiley smiley 11 smiling

 

[jets82]

Moderator, please close this thread also. Hasn't this one runs its course aswell?

 

[jetfandreamer]

No, I'm not saying Geno is our future QB. What I'm saying is he has an opportunity to show us he can be this season with this roster. If he can't get it done this year then he can't get it done period. I wonder if all the Geno haters were as hard on Sanchez his first two years? I mean his stats those first two years were arguably worse then Geno's and he was on significantly better teams. I mean AFC championship teams. I'm a Jets fans first and foremost and I want the best QB for our team. I'm not going to just be set in a opinion just because the mood takes me that way.

Geno has had two years of NFL experience where as, he came into the league as raw of a project as can be. He played with horrible teams and for even worse coaching and management. So is it safe to say he had all kinds of excuses, explanations, reasonable reasons or factors as to why he struggled so much years one and two? If so, he doesn't anymore. He has to prove it now or he will be gone. Petty will be learning and waiting to take over in a year or two so this is Geno's last chance as a Jet. So we'll see if all those reasons, factors, excuses were just that or was/is he just garbage period.

Seems to me the Geno supporters are willing to give him a chance but aren't delusional to anything with this. If Geno steps up then great and if he flops then oh well. But were not going to just throw him away when we all know his circumstances here were miserable and would have been for any QB their first and second year here. If Geno isn't the QB then so be it but DAMN, if we can give that piece of sh*t Sanchez 5 years of support here with better teams, why can't we give Geno one more year of support with a real team and coaching and management this year.

I could understand if the Jets traded for Breez or Rivers. Even trading for Foles, I could understand people being so ready to get rid of Geno. I could understand if they some how drafted Winston or even Mariota (with such a high pick or trading up to get him). I personally would have been reluctant on trashing Geno so quickly for Mariota but thats just me. We are talking about a 10-plus year vet QB who just last year, had a pretty decent year for Houston but they didn't want to keep him and traded him for just a 7th rounder (if I'm correct). A rookie that was drafted in the 4th round and a career back-up in Simms. Don't say Simms is better then that because if he was, he would have taken the job from Geno already. He couldn't even get on the field last year. So what are we talking about here, a bunch of unknowns and a vet that no one wants to hold on to, no matter how he plays. So why are we so ready to dump Geno, I just don't get it.

Very well put..eloquent..unlike some of the Neanderthal VIEWS to the contrary... no one is putting Geno in Canton..just saying he has enough potential to be part of a legit competition this summer....which IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE

 

[jetfandreamer]

Let me show you how it's done, although Big Moe pretty much just did



"I've watched Geno make a mess of the Jets QB position for two full seasons and in my opinion, HE STINKS.

I am thankful that Maccagnan and Bowles have probably watched those two seasons on tape and have taken aggressive actions to fix our QB disaster by trading for an experienced relatively mistake free older vet in Ryan Fitzpatrick, resigning Matt Simms and drafting a potential franchise QB in Bryce Petty in the fourth round.

I am pretty certain these actions foretell that Smith will NOT be the Jets starting QB and that he will probably be waived during or at the end of the season. IMO this is great for my NY Jets"

LET'S GO JETS

OK Graet your opinion..but not the one that matters,,,,,no one on this site matters..it is Bowles and MACCG NO MATTER what we think

 

[jets82]

Very well put..eloquent..unlike some of the Neanderthal VIEWS to the contrary... no one is putting Geno in Canton..just saying he has enough potential to be part of a legit competition this summer....which IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE

Thank you sir. I appreciate your understanding, vote of confidence and rational thinking of my post. Give the kid a chance with a much better team, HC and GM and let's see what he can do. He has to win or keep the starting job in training camp and pre season first and foremost. If he can then we'll see what he can do during the real games. If he can make it happen through all of this, then perhaps we may have ourselves a QB. If he doesn't we move on to the next one. This is all I've been saying all along.

 

[jetfandreamer]

GENO named starter right now

 

[Football51]

floridajet, leave out the profanity from now on.

 

[Football51]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12921152/geno-smith-starter-new-york-jets

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12921152/geno-smith-starter-new-york-jets

So despite the media desperately trying to turn it into a QB competition, especially the Jets beat reporters, because it makes their jobs a million times easier, gives them an easily accessible storyline to pursue throughout the off season, training camp and the preseason, they now have to actually work for their stories and cover the whole football team.

As for the decision, I think its the right one.

IMO it was a failure of the prior regime to not bring the kid along the right way.

1. He's learning his third offense in 3 years and he needs all the reps he can get, something you lose in a QB competition.

2. The kid has a fragile psyche in my view, tons of physical ability but short on confidence, so it makes sense to build up his confidence if you can. Some guys need tough love and some need a boost. I think he's more of the latter.

If he fails he fails, but IMO this is the right approach if you want to give him the best chance to succeed.

 

[Football51]

Joe Caporoso retweeted
Evan Silva @evansilva · 10m10 minutes ago

Geno now has Marshall, Decker, Dev Smith, Kerley & Amaro in a Pistol Spread like the offense he played in at WVU. He warrants one more shot.



Joe Caporoso retweeted
Evan Silva @evansilva · 10m10 minutes ago

I'd also say it's good news Gailey (v. underrated) likes Geno. He's been a talent maximizer in NFL and made bad QBs look passable or better.



Joe Caporoso retweeted
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 1h1 hour ago

Geno being named #Jets starter surprised only those people who weren't paying attention. #Jets made intent clear from day one.