QB competitions are something you try to avoid, not invite

Green Jets & Ham

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I've been reading the debate all week, since the new regime named Geno the starter, and mostly I've tried to avoid it. I've touched upon some of the things I'll be posting here, but I feel it needs to be said, clearly and concisely, because I get the impression that people don't really look at the downside of QB competitions, and IMO the downside is considerable, which is why most coaches view QB competitions as the football version of root canal (without novocaine).

That said, how did QB competitions workout for the prior staff?

What good did it do Geno that the prior staff was so reluctant to name him the starter, that they wouldn't even call him the starter when he was starting?

Why would you want the new staff to follow the same script that failed for the old staff?

You know the old saying, if it ain't broke don't fix it, well the reverse of that is, the definition of insanity is doing the same failed things and expecting better results.

And there are reasons why it failed, which is why most (competent) coaches try to avoid QB competitions and QB controversies like the plague:

1. If you have a QB competition and its a real competition, that means your eventual starter is getting about 50% of the first team reps, which is no way for a QB to prepare for an NFL season and no way for an offense to build chemistry.

2. Getting those first team reps are even more crucial when you have a new OC installing a new offense, as has been the case three years running with the Jets.

3. The first two are exacerbated even more when you are simultaneously trying to groom a young QB, that guy especially needs every rep he can get.

4. QB competitions naturally lend themselves to creating a divided locker-room, cause everyone has an opinion on who should start, even if they don't voice that opinion, and the only way to avoid that is for the coach to definitively name a starter and say its a non issue, THIS IS OUR GUY, period, end of story, now lets get behind him and help him win.

5. The media loves QB competitions so they will always lobby for them, it makes their job a million times easier, the narrative is black and white and they can write about it every day, but the stuff they write is never healthy for the football team or the fans, which is no concern of theirs, they are just interested in more readers, listeners and viewers.

6. Its hard to get a young QB to believe in himself if he knows the CS doesn't even believe in him.

Look, like I said, there are tons of reasons why coaches try to avoid QB competitions if they can. Just because the old staff invited this stuff and we've grown accustomed to it, that doesn't make it right. Most coaches want no part of a QB competition or controversy, and this one clearly wants no part of it either.
 
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Mainejet

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I've been reading the debate all week, since the new regime named Geno the starter, and mostly I've tried to avoid it. I've touched upon some of the things I'll be posting here, but I feel it needs to be said, clearly and concisely, because I get the impression that people don't really look at the downside of QB competitions, and IMO the downside is considerable, which is why most coaches view QB competitions as the football version of root canal (without novocaine).

That said, how did QB competitions workout for the prior staff?

What good did it do Geno that the prior staff was so reluctant to name him the starter, that they wouldn't even call him the starter when he was starting?

Why would you want the new staff to follow the same script that failed for the old staff?

You know the old saying, if it ain't broke don't fix it, well the reverse of that is, the definition of insanity is doing the same failed things and expecting better results.

And there are reasons why it failed, which is why most (competent) coaches try to avoid QB competitions and QB controversies like the plague:

1. If you have a QB competition and its a real competition, that means your eventual starter is getting about 50% of the first team reps, which is no way for a QB to prepare for an NFL season and no way for an offense to build chemistry.

2. Getting those first team reps are even more crucial when you have a new OC installing a new offense, as has been the case three years running with the Jets.

3. The first two are exacerbated even more when you are simultaneously trying to groom a young QB, that guy especially needs every rep he can get.

4. QB competitions naturally lend themselves to creating a divided locker-room, cause everyone has an opinion on who should start, even if they don't voice that opinion, and the only way to avoid that is for the coach to definitively name a starter and say its a non issue, THIS IS OUR GUY, period, end of story, now lets get behind him and help him win.

5. The media loves QB competitions so they will always lobby for them, it makes their job a million times easier, the narrative is black and white and they can write about it every day, but the stuff they write is never healthy for the football team or the fans, which is no concern of theirs, they are just interested in more readers, listeners and viewers.

6. Its hard to get a young QB to believe in himself if he knows the CS doesn't even believe in him.

Look, like I said, there are tons of reasons why coaches try to avoid QB competitions if they can. Just because the old staff invited this stuff and we've grown accustomed to it, that doesn't make it right. Most coaches want no part of a QB competition or controversy, and this one clearly wants no part of it either.

1. If you have a QB competition and its a real competition, that means your eventual starter is getting about 50% of the first team reps, which is no way for a QB to prepare for an NFL season and no way for an offense to build chemistry.

That's the downside of a QB competition you are absolutely right, but it is NO reason to stop trying to find the best fit and chemistry for your football team.

2. Getting those first team reps are even more crucial when you have a new OC installing a new offense, as has been the case three years running with the Jets.

Well, you have to start somewhere do you not? If that's the case, why not simply hammer the gavel and say, "Ryan Fitzpatrick is our man as he has EXPERIENCE in our OC's way of doing things? And once again, just because holding a QB competition often presents its own list of challenges, does NOT mean you should give up.

3. The first two are exacerbated even more when you are simultaneously trying to groom a young QB, that guy especially needs every rep he can get.

If by this you mean Bryce Petty's development could be slowed down? That could also turn out to be a great thing. Maybe he needs that additional time to grasp a pro style offense. We know that Petty is useless to us in 2015 anyway.

4. QB competitions naturally lend themselves to creating a divided locker-room, cause everyone has an opinion on who should start, even if they don't voice that opinion, and the only way to avoid that is for the coach to definitively name a starter and say its a non issue, THIS IS OUR GUY, period, end of story, now lets get behind him and help him win.

That's the coaches job. Divided locker rooms can happen in a number of ways and it is the coaches job to insure that the team plays as a cohesive unit. A HC also knows going into a QB competition that is possible. It's called doing their jobs. And that includes cutting or signing various players that can or can't get with the program.

5. The media loves QB competitions so they will always lobby for them, it makes their job a million times easier, the narrative is black and white and they can write about it every day, but the stuff they write is never healthy for the football team or the fans, which is no concern of theirs, they are just interested in more readers, listeners and viewers.

Who cares? Anybody working in NY KNOWS that goes with the job. THAT and a lot more.

6. Its hard to get a young QB to believe in himself if he knows the CS doesn't even believe in him.

That's called tough love and it is something I happen to wholeheartedly agree with. Anyone in the NFL, no matter how young or immature they may be, needs to realize that there is no such thing as a "FREE PASS" in the NFL. It's called EARN IT! If that young buck does the best then they get the satisfaction of knowing that the CS came to them and said, "CONGRATULATIONS! You won the QB competition and we are 100% behind YOU. Just keep producing and learning from our CS and we will ALWAYS be 100% behind you.

I love that approach and I hate the idea of coddling a young QB. See Mark Sanchez.

I will also add my own reason that trumps ALL of your reasoning....

IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. If the CS wants their team at their best and producing the best product for the ownership, upper management, and the fans, then a QB competition is sometimes absolutely necessary. Now, if the Jets do not fit the "absolutely necessary" category. Then I do not know what team ever will.
 
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Lakerfan80

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There is competition going on and it's between Simms, Petty, and the FA guy.
 

NickSINYC

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There is competition going on and it's between Simms, Petty, and the FA guy.
Simms or Heaps will be gone as soon as Fitz is deemed ready to go full out. Bowles has said they want to go with 4 QBs in training camp. The winner will be playing for a PS spot if Simms is even still eligble.
 

Bigmoe

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I thought this " new regime " said at the very beginning they were going to play " smart " improve all positions
And bring in major upgrades ( including the QB position )
Many will say ....what could we do there is nobody to bring in
May be true, but if you bring in vet and rookie and then tell the fan base it's same as last year with no ccompition?????
Makes me wonder
Last year Rex told Fan base we great at QB
Blah blah blah
I don't like it

Any way Rangers are on
Lgr
 

Bronx

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Coaches did the right thing. Having an order is the smart way to go. Fitz pretty.much knows the system anyway. Geno learns with the most reps, and if he fails, he is benched. We know the upside of Fitz , We still have to find out with Geno
 
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IMO, naming Geno the starter was the smart move. He is only 24 with a higher upside then Fitzpatrick. I'm hoping he is able to build off the strong finish from last season.
 

OCCH

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Competition?? Geno's first two years it was given to him, The Vick competition was a pure joke and Sanchez was clearly the winner when for some reason our HC decided to play him in a dumb azz exhibition game. I certainly hope they are right about him. For me my green color glasses came off some time ago. I love the Jets but I refuse to just sit back without at least let my feelings be known.
We got rid of Sanchez and he took us farther. I just want wins not excuses from our team.

Great points:

1) This FO came in preaching COMPETITION, now we don't even want it to enter the equation?
2) We'd be THRILLED if Geno could match Sanchez's year 3 stats -- just let that settle in for a second
 
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Lakerfan80

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Who do you want competeting? Fitz is recovering from broken leg..Petty biggest fans say he needs to sit for a season or two(and he would be really behind going by his first few practices).Simms? Heaps? Exactly who are you looking for in a competetion? Who decides who winner of the competetion? The coaches or the media/fans?
 

OCCH

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Who do you want competeting? Fitz is recovering from broken leg..Petty biggest fans say he needs to sit for a season or two(and he would be really behind going by his first few practices).Simms? Heaps? Exactly who are you looking for in a competetion? Who decides who winner of the competetion? The coaches or the media/fans?

If you're assuming Fitz won't be available throughout the preseason, then you're right -- there's no competition. In no way am I considering Petty anything more than a late-season experiment if the train goes totally off the tracks.

But if/when Fitz is a viable option, I'd like Geno to have to play well enough to WIN the starting role, not just play good enough to not lose it . . .
 
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sg3

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It's May...Geno is the May starter

By September the least turnover prone, highest completion percentage and best able to lead scoring drive QB will be the starting QB


And I have an idea whom that quarterback won't be
 
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Lakerfan80

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I'm thinking it's going to be Fitz because he'll get the team in the end zone with TD passes. Geno still has to show me something there. Hard to factor in the other guys when their reps are coming with receivers and OL trying to make the team.
 
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Lakerfan80

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If you're assuming Fitz won't be available throughout the preseason, then you're right -- there's no competition. In no way am I considering Petty anything more than a late-season experiment if the train goes totally off the tracks.

But if/when Fitz is a viable option, I'd like Geno to have to play well enough to WIN the starting role, not just play good enough to not lose it . . .

Who decides if has played well enough or not? Will there be a fan ballot? There doesn't have to be a competetion for the coaching staff to see Fitz is better for this offense or if Geno is better. The players will also know who is getting it done and who is not.
 

TebowCan'tThrow

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Competition?? Geno's first two years it was given to him, The Vick competition was a pure joke and Sanchez was clearly the winner when for some reason our HC decided to play him in a dumb azz exhibition game. I certainly hope they are right about him. For me my green color glasses came off some time ago. I love the Jets but I refuse to just sit back without at least let my feelings be known.
We got rid of Sanchez and he took us farther. I just want wins not excuses from our team.

With a much better team than Smith ever had.
 

OCCH

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Who decides if has played well enough or not? Will there be a fan ballot? There doesn't have to be a competetion for the coaching staff to see Fitz is better for this offense or if Geno is better. The players will also know who is getting it done and who is not.

Which is why there was NO reason to pronounce Geno the "no-brainer" starter. They could have easily said "we believe in Geno and are going to give him every chance to succeed". Yet they chose to make it CRYSTAL clear that Geno would be starting the season, no questions asked. Many here have said Geno "would have to implode in the preseason" to not get the starting gig, and personally I couldn't disagree more with that approach.

I understand they're trying to pump the kid up, I just think there were better ways to do it without having to potentially go against your own words 3 months after you said them.
 
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Lakerfan80

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They said right now!! Fritz is recovering from a leg injury...tell me who you want Geno competing with right now. If the Jets have decided to start Geno for the season they know more about that decision than the media is able to report to you.
 

Superman55

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@RichCimini Were the Jets trying to avoid the media distraction of a QB comp (practice stats, post practice interviews, etc)? #Jetsmail
10:49 AM - 22 May 2015


@RichCimini: If the Jets decided to confirm Geno Smith as the starter to avoid a media headache ... wow, that would be a really bad reason. For the record, no, I don't think that had anything to do with it. Let's clear something up: I don't think it was Chan Gailey's intention to create a quarterback story. In his mind, he was simply reiterating what Todd Bowles had said earlier in the offseason. But, in truth, Gailey's comments were more definitive than Bowles' earlier remarks. Gailey skipped the coachspeak and gave an honest and clear answer to a question. Boom, a headline! I've got news for you: We'll still keep quarterback stats in training camp (it's what we do), but there will be fewer questions pertaining to the competition that isn't a competition.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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I understand they're trying to pump the kid up, I just think there were better ways to do it without having to potentially go against your own words 3 months after you said them.
What better way is there to do it?

What better way is there than; "we believe in you, you're the guy, no hedging our bets, and we won't keep it a secret", to pump a kid up and give him the impression that you really believe in him?

Lets be honest, even if you tell him that and then announce it to the media too, then wax poetic about his raw talent, that will assuredly give the kid a boost of confidence, but its not a sworn affidavit with a notary public, its not written in blood that he's the guy all year no matter what, if he stinks he can still get the hook, everyone understands that, so it doesn't really cost you anything to go ALL IN at the outset (other than upsetting his detractors), then see how it plays out.
 

Fudbutter

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What the team is not reporting is that they are secretly working out a deal with Testaverde. He's only 51, tanned, rested and ready. They are just marking the position until they can make this announcement.

The real question is what's the record for how many threads and posts can be made with all this emotion over one single subject that you cannot possibly know with certainty what the answer is?

This is getting like the old Tastes Great/Less Filling ads
 
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