Jets sign OT Charles Brown

[Mainejet]

Here is my quick response,.Maine, to your latest long winded diatribe of hate and name calling.

Yes,.unlike you, I am a Jet fan and wear green glasses

Unlike you, I haven't written off the season, the coaching staff and virtually all the players as BUMS and BUSTS.

As for the rest, NO COMMENT

Just so you know, not once have I called you any names. And even attempting to put my post into better perspective for you so you won't start policing my post, you still come back with allegations that I insulted you.
I am a die hard Jets fan all my life, but make no mistake about it, I do NOT sell out. I will never accept what the Jets are doing as the lords word. Far from it. I never did it when Rex Ryan was around and I am not about to do it now. I just attempt to be objective. Sometimes a little harsh, but still objective for the most part.

If you don't like my style of posting? I don't care. I don't agree with your unconditional love of every move the team makes, but do I come after you about it?

In regards to Brown.... I hope the guy can make the team and contribute. I really do. It's not like there isn't a problem along with the Jets OL. Many fans think it is a potential area of weakness.

But my posts points out that reading between the lines, there MUST be a reason why the Jets is his 3rd team in 5 seasons as a pro. Kind of reminds me of Vlad Ducasse.

In fact, when examining the internet about this guy this is the first article I came across:

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The New York Jets signed former New Orleans Saints draft bust Charles Brown, who landed a contract Friday after a three-day audition at minicamp.

Brown, a second-round pick of the Saints in 2010, played for the New York Giants last season. He didn't play much, coming off the bench to replace the injured Justin Pugh in a game last November. It didn't go well. Asked how Brown performed, Tom Coughlin said, "Not very well." A few days later, he was released.

Obviously, the Saints had high hopes for Brown, but he didn't become a full-time starter until his fourth season. He started 14 games at left tackle, but he gave up seven sacks (according to Pro Football Focus) and was benched late in the season.

Now those are not my words, and this is just the first few paragraphs of the article. But when things like the above are pointed out, who do we really think we are getting?

We are looking at in a very best case scenario depth at Guard. Even then I doubt he will stick given the fact that we have so many Guards already.

 

[sg3]

I repeat

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[Bronx]

Jets sign OT Charles Brown

A fight over a low level signing that means almost nothing . Good Grief!

I'm not thrilled with our line, but it's far from the worst. Brick is still serviceable, Mangold is still pretty good, Oday graded out well in all categories last year, contrary to popular belief. Carpenter is a beast at times. Right tackle is another story


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[Bronx]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/07/jets-aboushi-improves-line/




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[Bronx]

According to PFF, we had the 13th best line last yr. And Carpenter makes us better https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/3/


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[Bronx]

Stop with the doom and gloom


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[NYJDraftKing]

Quick Question? .... Who is our OL coach?

 

[Superman55]

According to PFF, we had the 13th best line last yr. And Carpenter makes us better https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/3/


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yes, but PFF also had us with 2 bottom 10 OGs in the entire NFL and the 63rd out of 77 OTs playing RT. Ferguson came in the 34th of 77 OTs, so middle of the pack. As a unit, which is what matters, they finished 13th, added Carpenter, and maybe Aboushi improves from low 60s to middle of the pack OG. Aboushi was a college converted LT at VA in his first year "playing" in the NFL. Qvale is also a guy that is a former LT/RT at Nebraska transitioning to OG. We could find a guy whose light goes on and becomes a Brandon Moore type (if we're really lucky). I'll be surprised if we don't go OL someplace in the first 3 rounds next year. I do think we need an infusion of talent beyond Ferguson and Mangold.

 

[Superman55]

Quick Question? .... Who is our OL coach?

Jets name Steve Marshall offensive line coach

The New York Jets have hired Steve Marshall as their new offensive line coach.

Marshall, 58, served as the Green Bay Packers' assistant offensive line coach for the 2014 season, a position he was hired for in May following Joel Hilgenberg's resignation.

Marshall has seven years of NFL experience, including four years coaching the offensive line on Dom Capers' staff with the Houston Texans from 2002-2005. He's also coached at a dozen different colleges.

This past year, Marshall and offensive line coach James Campen oversaw a line that allowed the fewest number of sacks (30) since the 2007 season and paved the way for the league's 11th-best rushing offense (119.8 yards per game).

One person who won't be going anywhere is evidently Packers personnel executive Alonzo Highsmith. According to ESPN.com, the Packers have denied Washington's request to interview Highsmith for a position in Scot McCloughan's front office.

-- whodkiew@pressgazettemedia.com and follow him on Twitter @WesHod

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

yes, but PFF also had us with 2 bottom 10 OGs in the entire NFL and the 63rd out of 77 OTs playing RT. Ferguson came in the 34th of 77 OTs, so middle of the pack. As a unit, which is what matters, they finished 13th, added Carpenter, and maybe Aboushi improves from low 60s to middle of the pack OG. Aboushi was a college converted LT at VA in his first year "playing" in the NFL. Qvale is also a guy that is a former LT/RT at Nebraska transitioning to OG. We could find a guy whose light goes on and becomes a Brandon Moore type (if we're really lucky). I'll be surprised if we don't go OL someplace in the first 3 rounds next year. I do think we need an infusion of talent beyond Ferguson and Mangold.

The o-line certainly isn't one of the top units we have. Nowhere near what we have on the defensive line or the secondary. But I still think it's good enough in both protection and run blocking. I saw a trickle down effect last season. Geno struggled, partially hindered by limited weapons, and as a whole, the offense looked underwhelming. When you put a #1 WR in the mix like Marshall, it opens things up for Decker, makes life easier for Geno, and theoretically makes everyone look good on offense.

The defensive line isn't going to look as good either, when the secondary is getting torched. Every unit is dependent upon each other.

 

[Mainejet]

The o-line certainly isn't one of the top units we have. Nowhere near what we have on the defensive line or the secondary. But I still think it's good enough in both protection and run blocking. I saw a trickle down effect last season. Geno struggled, partially hindered by limited weapons, and as a whole, the offense looked underwhelming. When you put a #1 WR in the mix like Marshall, it opens things up for Decker, makes life easier for Geno, and theoretically makes everyone look good on offense.

The defensive line isn't going to look as good either, when the secondary is getting torched. Every unit is dependent upon each other.

I've read enough of your posts now to know that you think EVERYTHING about is about puppy dogs and sunsets. So you say the OL is still good enough in both pass protection and in the running game?

Good enough for what? An 8-8 season? Very possibly a 10-6 season only to get our a$$es kicked in our first playoff game?

Who cares about? The GOAL is to win the SB and the Jets are SO far away that they do not have a prayer in hell of reaching that in 2015.

 

[sg3]

I've read enough of your posts now to know that you think EVERYTHING about is about puppy dogs and sunsets. So you say the OL is still good enough in both pass protection and in the running game?

Good enough for what? An 8-8 season? Very possibly a 10-6 season only to get our a$$es kicked in our first playoff game?

Who cares about? The GOAL is to win the SB and the Jets are SO far away that they do not have a prayer in hell of reaching that in 2015.

Your Bills are close, though.

Your BFF WRECKS guaranteed a playoff run. That should be enough.

 

[Lakerfan80]

If the QB makes the throws when they are there the OL will look much better. Too many times last season Geno missed a play when it was there, resulting in pressure and mistakes the following play. This season he has all the weapons, big receivers outside, speed, inside slot, big TE's and runners who can catch out of the backfield.

I'm of the belief if Carpenter can play above-average at LG the rest of the line will fall in place.

 

[Bronx]

I've read enough of your posts now to know that you think EVERYTHING about is about puppy dogs and sunsets. So you say the OL is still good enough in both pass protection and in the running game?

Good enough for what? An 8-8 season? Very possibly a 10-6 season only to get our a$$es kicked in our first playoff game?

Who cares about? The GOAL is to win the SB and the Jets are SO far away that they do not have a prayer in hell of reaching that in 2015.

Can you please detail why this line is so bad?


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[Golden Rott]

Last season, we were 3rd in the league in rushing, averaging over 140 yards per game, and 7th in the league in yards per rush (4.5 yards per carry). We did that with a good stable of backs, but no great back. And that was with a passing attack that ranked dead last in the league which allowed defenses to stack the box. You don't do that without a competent O Line. At least an o-line that is competent run blockers.

On the other hand, we were 24th in the league in sacks allowed and 24th in percentage of passing plays resulting in a sack. And just watching the games, our O Line did not pass block well.

Overall, I would say our O-Line was average -- above average run blockers and below average in pass protection. They still worry me heading into the season -- certainly hoping we get better play out of them this year. Hopefully Carpenter will be an upgrade and one of the young guys will be able to step in and play well at the other guard position. It also concerns me how paper thin we are behind Mangold and the tackles -- and Mangold and Brick are not getting any younger so depth could be an issue.

 

[Superman55]

The o-line certainly isn't one of the top units we have. Nowhere near what we have on the defensive line or the secondary. But I still think it's good enough in both protection and run blocking. I saw a trickle down effect last season. Geno struggled, partially hindered by limited weapons, and as a whole, the offense looked underwhelming. When you put a #1 WR in the mix like Marshall, it opens things up for Decker, makes life easier for Geno, and theoretically makes everyone look good on offense.

The defensive line isn't going to look as good either, when the secondary is getting torched. Every unit is dependent upon each other.

I am hoping we're better running the ball this year as well. Its easy to throw everything on a QB when you don't know which plays didnt have time to develop, so a WR couldnt run his full route, because the pressure was already past the oline. We just throws those on the dumb QB, when Joe Blow fan doesn't even know the primary target didnt get to run his double move, before pressure was on Geno, forcing him to quickly look for a check down, then down he goes, or a bad throw, etc, etc. There's no way for fan to know how the play was supposed to be executed and whose fault to was that it wasn't...we just always assume QB despite everyone knowing we have one of the worst right sides of the oline in the league.

Gaily offense is known to get the ball out of the Qbs hands fast, Marshall should make life easier for everyone else, and we have a legit deep threat added to the WRs in Smith. All of those areas, combined with Carpenter replacing #69 out of 70 NFL OGs at LG in Winters should help.

Truth is, our offense just needs to be respectable, 13-20 area, because this defense should be top 3 in the league. Even when you look at week 2 vs the Colts, the recipe is easy, the Patriots proved it twice...no one will give us a chance to win, but if the defense covers and stays up Luck's @ss, we should be able to run the ball down their throats and play action pass. If Amaro matures this year and turns into a safety valve in the middle to go with Kerley, marshall, Decker, and Smith...Gaily should be able to keep defenses off balance, regardless of the choice at QB, and give our D more rest than they had last year.

 

[Superman55]

Last season, we were 3rd in the league in rushing, averaging over 140 yards per game, and 7th in the league in yards per rush (4.5 yards per carry). We did that with a good stable of backs, but no great back. And that was with a passing attack that ranked dead last in the league which allowed defenses to stack the box. You don't do that without a competent O Line. At least an o-line that is competent run blockers.

On the other hand, we were 24th in the league in sacks allowed and 24th in percentage of passing plays resulting in a sack. And just watching the games, our O Line did not pass block well.

Overall, I would say our O-Line was average -- above average run blockers and below average in pass protection. They still worry me heading into the season -- certainly hoping we get better play out of them this year. Hopefully Carpenter will be an upgrade and one of the young guys will be able to step in and play well at the other guard position. It also concerns me how paper thin we are behind Mangold and the tackles -- and Mangold and Brick are not getting any younger so depth could be an issue.

I agree with everything you said.

 

[Old#15]

Last season, we were 3rd in the league in rushing, averaging over 140 yards per game, and 7th in the league in yards per rush (4.5 yards per carry). We did that with a good stable of backs, but no great back. And that was with a passing attack that ranked dead last in the league which allowed defenses to stack the box. You don't do that without a competent O Line. At least an o-line that is competent run blockers.

On the other hand, we were 24th in the league in sacks allowed and 24th in percentage of passing plays resulting in a sack. And just watching the games, our O Line did not pass block well.

Overall, I would say our O-Line was average -- above average run blockers and below average in pass protection. They still worry me heading into the season -- certainly hoping we get better play out of them this year. Hopefully Carpenter will be an upgrade and one of the young guys will be able to step in and play well at the other guard position. It also concerns me how paper thin we are behind Mangold and the tackles -- and Mangold and Brick are not getting any younger so depth could be an issue.

Hard to disagree with this.

 

[Bronx]

Last season, we were 3rd in the league in rushing, averaging over 140 yards per game, and 7th in the league in yards per rush (4.5 yards per carry). We did that with a good stable of backs, but no great back. And that was with a passing attack that ranked dead last in the league which allowed defenses to stack the box. You don't do that without a competent O Line. At least an o-line that is competent run blockers.

On the other hand, we were 24th in the league in sacks allowed and 24th in percentage of passing plays resulting in a sack. And just watching the games, our O Line did not pass block well.

Overall, I would say our O-Line was average -- above average run blockers and below average in pass protection. They still worry me heading into the season -- certainly hoping we get better play out of them this year. Hopefully Carpenter will be an upgrade and one of the young guys will be able to step in and play well at the other guard position. It also concerns me how paper thin we are behind Mangold and the tackles -- and Mangold and Brick are not getting any younger so depth could be an issue.

Agree about the depth. Those passing numbers improved once Winters was removed, he was a huge hole in the line. Aboushi was a huge upgrade and should continue to improve. The other weak link was Colon who is being replaced.



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[Golden Rott]

Truth is, our offense just needs to be respectable, 13-20 area, because this defense should be top 3 in the league. Even when you look at week 2 vs the Colts, the recipe is easy, the Patriots proved it twice...no one will give us a chance to win, but if the defense covers and stays up Luck's @ss, we should be able to run the ball down their throats and play action pass. If Amaro matures this year and turns into a safety valve in the middle to go with Kerley, marshall, Decker, and Smith...Gaily should be able to keep defenses off balance, regardless of the choice at QB, and give our D more rest than they had last year.

I agree 100%. Only thing I would add is turnovers -- its cliche, but turnovers very well could be the key to our season. I expect the defense to force more turnovers than last year, which should give the offense some short fields and "easy" scores (if any score in the NFL is ever easy). If we can take care of the ball on O and force turnovers on D, we should be fine.

Over the last 6 seasons -- including playoffs, we are 32-4 when winning the TO battle and 8-38 when losing it. 10-10 when it is equal. Last year, we only won the TO battle 2 times (Tenn & Pitt) and not surprisingly we won both of those games.