Jets sign OT Charles Brown

[Mainejet]

Can you please detail why this line is so bad?


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Questions all along the right side of the OL. Both RG and RT. Breno Giacomini is marginal at best and the Jets do not even know who will start at RG. Could be Colon, could any one of a number of candidates.

Maccagnan did well in the draft plugging a lot of holes, but he couldn't plug all of the holes that the Jets have. They had too many holes to begin with. The OL was left unaddressed. Jarvis Harrison COULD be a starter, but certainly no guarantees of that. There's no way Harrison becomes a starter this season. He's got a ways to go.

They also have gaping holes in regards to depth. If a major injury hit that OL, what in the hell would they do?

The unit as a hole blocks for the running game OK, but they suck in the passing game. The Jets already have terrible QB's and this OL only stands to make it worse.

 

[Superman55]

I agree 100%. Only thing I would add is turnovers -- its cliche, but turnovers very well could be the key to our season. I expect the defense to force more turnovers than last year, which should give the offense some short fields and "easy" scores (if any score in the NFL is ever easy). If we can take care of the ball on O and force turnovers on D, we should be fine.

Over the last 6 seasons -- including playoffs, we are 32-4 when winning the TO battle and 8-38 when losing it. 10-10 when it is equal. Last year, we only won the TO battle 2 times (Tenn & Pitt) and not surprisingly we won both of those games.

Remember the year Sanchez had Burress and Burress caught like 10 TDs in the redzone? Seemed to be the only thing his big, slow ass was good for that year.

Well, Marshall is a legit 6'4 230lbs. To your point on the turnovers, and something that has already been discussed in OTAs, he still wins most of those jump balls. It will be something new added to the offense, to go with Amaro (TEs are always a pain in the ass to cover in the endzone) at 6'6 260 and Decker at 6'3 220...I would expect a better redzone offense next year also.

 

[Golden Rott]

Remember the year Sanchez had Burress and Burress caught like 10 TDs in the redzone? Seemed to be the only thing his big, slow ass was good for that year.

Well, Marshall is a legit 6'4 230lbs. To your point on the turnovers, and something that has already been discussed in OTAs, he still wins most of those jump balls. It will be something new added to the offense, to go with Amaro (TEs are always a pain in the ass to cover in the endzone) at 6'6 260 and Decker at 6'3 220...I would expect a better redzone offense next year also.

Agreed. I flew into NY for the game against SD that season when Burress caught 3 TDs.

I guess when you are coming off of a 4-win season, you should be able to get better in quite a few areas. Question is, will better be a 6-8 win season or will better be 9+ and a shot at the playoffs? June is a time for optimism so I am going to hope for the 9+ until I see something on the field to convince me otherwise.

 

[Bronx]

Questions all along the right side of the OL. Both RG and RT. Breno Giacomini is marginal at best and the Jets do not even know who will start at RG. Could be Colon, could any one of a number of candidates.

Maccagnan did well in the draft plugging a lot of holes, but he couldn't plug all of the holes that the Jets have. They had too many holes to begin with. The OL was left unaddressed. Jarvis Harrison COULD be a starter, but certainly no guarantees of that. There's no way Harrison becomes a starter this season. He's got a ways to go.

They also have gaping holes in regards to depth. If a major injury hit that OL, what in the hell would they do?

The unit as a hole blocks for the running game OK, but they suck in the passing game. The Jets already have terrible QB's and this OL only stands to make it worse.

Our starters are Aboushi and Carpenter at the guards. Go back to the link I posted and read about the improvement in guard play once Oday was inserted. He is an up and coming player. Carpenter will be at the other spot, who will also be an upgrade. The kid is a beast at times. When healthy, he has played very well. So the two worst components from last year have been upgraded.



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[Superman55]

Agreed. I flew into NY for the game against SD that season when Burress caught 3 TDs.

I guess when you are coming off of a 4-win season, you should be able to get better in quite a few areas. Question is, will better be a 6-8 win season or will better be 9+ and a shot at the playoffs? June is a time for optimism so I am going to hope for the 9+ until I see something on the field to convince me otherwise.

There is potential for that, it will just take some time to see how quickly the offense and defense pick up the new schemes.

 

[Bronx]

By the way, the person who wrote about the improved play of our OL once Oday was inserted does not write for the Jets or a fan site, and does not wear green glasses


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[Mainejet]

Our starters are Aboushi and Carpenter at the guards. Go back to the link I posted and read about the improvement in guard play once Oday was inserted. He is an up and coming player. Carpenter will be at the other spot, who will also be an upgrade. The kid is a beast at times. When healthy, he has played very well. So the two worst components from last year have been upgraded.



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Well, I did think Aboushi played rather well at the Guard spot once he took over for Winters. With that said, the Jets problems really branched from both Guard spots and the RT. Aboushi will have to switch Guard spots, but I think he can make the transition rather well.

However, even assuming all of what you say is correct, the depth and RT pockets are still empty. That's a concern and I cannot see Mac managing to fix those potential problems this late into the offseason.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Well, I did think Aboushi played rather well at the Guard spot once he took over for Winters. With that said, the Jets problems really branched from both Guard spots and the RT. Aboushi will have to switch Guard spots, but I think he can make the transition rather well.

However, even assuming all of what you say is correct, the depth and RT pockets are still empty. That's a concern and I cannot see Mac managing to fix those potential problems this late into the offseason.

The criticism of Breno is the pile on effect: someone says he's horrible, and the knee jerkers jump on board. Breno wasn't stellar last year, but he also wasn't as bad as some claim around here. He was a very average RT. Austin Howard chased the $$$ to Oakland, played like crap after moving to guard, and Idzik signed the best available tackle in FA. That's what happened.

That's not puppy dogs and whatever else you claim my perspective is. It's a different perspective about our line, which you seem to have a really hard time accepting without resorting to nasty, rude rebuttals.

 

[sg3]

Gailey uses pass blocking schemes that make average offensive linemen look and play better. His way is a billion times better than those of the two morons- Sparano and Mahty that WRECKS hired to run the offense.

I think we will see vast improvement this season with Chan running things

 

[Superman55]

The criticism of Breno is the pile on effect: someone says he's horrible, and the knee jerkers jump on board. Breno wasn't stellar last year, but he also wasn't as bad as some claim around here. He was a very average RT. Austin Howard chased the $$$ to Oakland, played like crap after moving to guard, and Idzik signed the best available tackle in FA. That's what happened.

That's not puppy dogs and whatever else you claim my perspective is. It's a different perspective about our line, which you seem to have a really hard time accepting without resorting to nasty, rude rebuttals.

Well, there's an all the way to the right opinion on this subject and an all the way to the left. Well, if one is a pessimist, Blind is being an optimist.

Idzik didnt sign close to the best OT...he signed the 20th rated best OT available in free agency. There are only 64 starting OTs in the NFL and he signed the 20th best one available...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/01/2014-free-agent-offensive-tackles/

Idzik's move was a disaster in signing Breno...like almost everything he did. Too bad only a few of us saw that as he made each pathetic move real time...

 

[Bronx]

I will say he is better than Wayne Hunter

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Well, there's an all the way to the right opinion on this subject and an all the way to the left. Well, if one is a pessimist, Blind is being an optimist.

Idzik didnt sign close to the best OT...he signed the 20th rated best OT available in free agency. There are only 64 starting OTs in the NFL and he signed the 20th best one available...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/01/2014-free-agent-offensive-tackles/

Idzik's move was a disaster in signing Breno...like almost everything he did. Too bad only a few of us saw that as he made each pathetic move real time...

Wait a minute, YOU blaming Idzik? No way.

Please enlighten me on what better options were available? Many posters on this board supported the move at the time based on prior performance. I love how clear hindsight is.

 

[Old#15]

Wait a minute, YOU blaming Idzik? No way.

Please enlighten me on what better options were available? Many posters on this board supported the move at the time based on prior performance. I love how clear hindsight is.

I think many of us thought, me included, that because he was a starter on a Super Bowl winning team that he couldn't be all that bad. I think many here are saying the same thing about Carpenter. Hindsight is 20/20, unfortunately the guys that have to make these decisions in real time don't have that luxury.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I think many of us thought, me included, that because he was a starter on a Super Bowl winning team that he couldn't be all that bad. I think many here are saying the same thing about Carpenter. Hindsight is 20/20, unfortunately the guys that have to make these decisions in real time don't have that luxury.

Sounds reasonable to me. I'm not saying we can't upgrade the position. Giacomini wasn't as good as I had hoped. But I didn't see him as all that horrible either. Geno Smith took some unnecessary sacks, holding the ball too long at times, making poor decisions. That at least partially explains SOME of the overall performance of the o-line. 55 actually made a great point about that: fans see a play on TV, attribute blame to someone, and didn't actually see a breakdown somewhere else which had a direct impact on the play. That extends to the offensive line as well.

 

[Superman55]

Wait a minute, YOU blaming Idzik? No way.

Please enlighten me on what better options were available? Many posters on this board supported the move at the time based on prior performance. I love how clear hindsight is.

I don't have to inform you, click the link. All 19 better options magically appear.

 

[Mainejet]

I will say he is better than Wayne Hunter

That's not saying much. EVERYONE is better than Wayne Hunter. Well, maybe except for Vlad Ducasse.

 

[Football51]

I've read enough of your posts now to know that you think EVERYTHING about is about puppy dogs and sunsets. So you say the OL is still good enough in both pass protection and in the running game?

Good enough for what? An 8-8 season? Very possibly a 10-6 season only to get our a$$es kicked in our first playoff game?

Who cares about? The GOAL is to win the SB and the Jets are SO far away that they do not have a prayer in hell of reaching that in 2015.

Could've made you point without the unnecessary shots. Let's keep the garbage off the board.

 

[Mainejet]

Could've made you point without the unnecessary shots. Let's keep the garbage off the board.

Unnecessary shots? Really not sure what you're talking about??

Might you be referring to the puppy dogs and sunsets reference? If so, that's simply an analogy to describe this eternal optimism. But eternal optimism tends to affect good judgment. I think that is the case here.

And there are no unnecessary shots in my post at all.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I don't have to inform you, click the link. All 19 better options magically appear.

Yes, because the Jets had a real chance at 19 other FA right tackles. Look where they signed. The Jets had no shot at most of them. But once again, everything is overly simplified regarding Idzik: he had a chance to sign much better players at RT, and failed because he's incompetent. Same ol' easy explanation.

And I distinctly remember many fans around here supporting the Giacomini move. They loved it until they hated it.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Unnecessary shots? Really not sure what you're talking about??

Might you be referring to the puppy dogs and sunsets reference? If so, that's simply an analogy to describe this eternal optimism. But eternal optimism tends to affect good judgment. I think that is the case here.

And there are no unnecessary shots in my post at all.

What about "stroking my Bowles doll"? You're full of smart ass replies. And this isn't the first time with you. You have history.