Fitz is the top backup in the league, according to this top-10 list

[BigDan]

He may be the top backup, but is he better than any of the 32 starters out there now?

(btw, I still would prefer him over Geno. )


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-clayton-ranking-best-backup-quarterbacks-nfl

 

[Golden Rott]

Saw this article yesterday. For what its worth, I am pretty sure they said Vick was the top back-up heading into last season, and we all know how that turned out.

Fitz is the safer choice -- we know what awe are getting with him. Lower ceiling than Geno but higher floor. Geno is the high risk choice -- could still improve or he could implode. I just want to see the best guy play -- I am not rooting for one guy over the other.

 

[NickSINYC]

I would lock him up long term on the cheap if I could

 

[Mainejet]

Except I don't believe he's a backup this season. JMO, but I think Fitz wins the QB competition fair and square. He'll get the nod as starter.

 

[Bigmoe]

If Fitz is / becomes the starter, ( oh man I hope so )
Where do you think Geno goes on the list of backups?
My guess.... Not even close to the 10

 

[Golden Rott]

If Fitz is / becomes the starter, ( oh man I hope so )
Where do you think Geno goes on the list of backups?
My guess.... Not even close to the 10

Other names in the top 10 include Shaun Hill, Mike Glennon, Christian Ponder and our old friend Kellen Clemens. Even bad Geno is definitely in the mix with those guys -- he would be in the top 10. No that that is necessarily a good thing. To keep it in perspective it is a top 10 of guys not good enough to start in the NFL.

 

[sg3]

Other names in the top 10 include Shaun Hill, Mike Glennon, Christian Ponder and our old friend Kellen Clemens. Even bad Geno is definitely in the mix with those guys -- he would be in the top 10. No that that is necessarily a good thing. To keep it in perspective it is a top 10 of guys not good enough to start in the NFL.

Geno at his best is the 27th best backup quarterback in the NFL. Which is why it's good that Bryce will take over as Fitzpatrick's backup in 16 and maybe even win the starting job

 

[SackExchange]

He may be the top backup, but is he better than any of the 32 starters out there now?

(btw, I still would prefer him over Geno. )


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-clayton-ranking-best-backup-quarterbacks-nfl

Well, on which teams would he start? I think he would start in Buffalo, certainly. Arizona? Cleveland?

 

[sg3]

Well, on which teams would he start? I think he would start in Buffalo, certainly. Arizona? Cleveland?

Buffalo, Cleveland, NY Jets, Patriots, first four games, Tennessee, Tampa Bay,.Washington and probably three or four others

 

[SackExchange]

Buffalo, Cleveland, NY Jets, Patriots, first four games, Tennessee, Tampa Bay,.Washington and probably three or four others

He wouldn't start in TB or Tennessee, but he would perform better than their starters if he did, at least this year. Washington, probably, but again, he would not get the starting nod. And yes, I think he would perform better than Garoppolo in those four games.

But the ones I listed are the ones where he could get the job. There are several more where he would likely perform better than the starter, but wouldn't get the gig.

 

[Superman55]

Well, on which teams would he start? I think he would start in Buffalo, certainly. Arizona? Cleveland?

He would not start over Carson Palmer...he and McCown I believe are about the same. the Bucs were rated dead last as an oline last year, most sacks and QB hits allowed...so an older fellas like mcCown had no chance.

 

[Superman55]

He wouldn't start in TB or Tennessee, but he would perform better than their starters if he did, at least this year. Washington, probably, but again, he would not get the starting nod. And yes, I think he would perform better than Garoppolo in those four games.

But the ones I listed are the ones where he could get the job. There are several more where he would likely perform better than the starter, but wouldn't get the gig.

No way in hell...he started a couple years ago for the Titans already and was dreadful and ran out of town...he would no way in hell start over Winston or Mariota. he wouldn't start over Mariota's current back-up.

 

[SackExchange]

He would not start over Carson Palmer...he and McCown I believe are about the same. the Bucs were rated dead last as an oline last year, most sacks and QB hits allowed...so an older fellas like mcCown had no chance.

You're right. He wouldn't start over Palmer. Take them out of the mix.

I think there are a very small handful of teams on which he would start. But I also think that there are far more teams where he wouldn't start, but he would likely outperform the starter if given the chance.

 

[SackExchange]

No way in hell...he started a couple years ago for the Titans already and was dreadful and ran out of town...he would no way in hell start over Winston or Mariota. he wouldn't start over Mariota's current back-up.

I already said he wouldn't start in Tennessee, but he would likely outperform Mariota if he did. Same with Winston.

Unless you think both of those guys are going to double up their INTs with TDs this year, and have a top 10 passer rating, as rookies.

 

[Superman55]

I already said he wouldn't start in Tennessee, but he would likely outperform Mariota if he did. Same with Winston.

Unless you think both of those guys are going to double up their INTs with TDs this year, and have a top 10 passer rating, as rookies.

You pretend the titans and bucs weapons are = to what he worked with with the texans...not sure I see an Arian Foster on either team, a top 10 D on either team...and titans surely dont have Hopkins and Andre johnson...

You have to admit, he had ample talent in Houston...something mariota wont have with the Titans...what you said above, would not happen if Fitz was on the Bucs or Titans...because the Texans have a better run and oline than both.

McCown, who i still feel is a similar talent to fitz, was beat into the ground for the bucs...judgingby how fragile Fitz has been th elast 3 years, I have a feeling what you saw from McCown last year is what you'd see from Fitz if he was there.


the system puyt in place for Winston and Mariota wont be the same systems that would be put in place if Fitz was QB. Fitz is limited, he isnt mobile and doesnt have much of an arm, that was called out several times during OTAs with his under throws and throws he wouldnt even attempt because he didnt have the arm...so there would be a conservative game amanegement game plan for Fitz...it will be the same here if he becomes the starter.

I would guess Winston and mariota are more mobile and have bigger arms than Fitz...so they will be asked to do things Fitz cant physically do, good starts or not, they will be attacking QBs as they develop...like Flacco, Eli, Romo, Rivers, etc...

Fitz will be a Jay Fiedler type if he comes in...Drew Stanton if we're lucky. I think you're comparing apples to oranges. Everything would be different in the game plan and offensive philosophies when you input a player like Fitz...you do less on offense and just take some plays out of the game plan...because they cant be made. Some are riskier plays that are high risk high reward that will be INTs at times, or 80 yard TDs others...Winston and Mariota will get burned on some of those plays...but Fitz wont even be asked to make them. So I dont think its fair to hang a general sign like that over Mariota and Winston...they're being groomed to be Luck and Rodgers and seeing where they land. Fitz will be more of a Jay Fiedler type if asked to play...dont take too many risks, just take what's there, and don't lose. Mariota and Winston will be asked to win games...

 

[SackExchange]

You pretend the titans and bucs weapons are = to what he worked with with the texans...not sure I see an Arian Foster on either team, a top 10 D on either team...and titans surely dont have Hopkins and Andre johnson...

You have to admit, he had ample talent in Houston...something mariota wont have with the Titans...what you said above, would not happen if Fitz was on the Bucs or Titans...because the Texans have a better run and oline than both.

McCown, who i still feel is a similar talent to fitz, was beat into the ground for the bucs...judgingby how fragile Fitz has been th elast 3 years, I have a feeling what you saw from McCown last year is what you'd see from Fitz if he was there.


the system puyt in place for Winston and Mariota wont be the same systems that would be put in place if Fitz was QB. Fitz is limited, he isnt mobile and doesnt have much of an arm, that was called out several times during OTAs with his under throws and throws he wouldnt even attempt because he didnt have the arm...so there would be a conservative game amanegement game plan for Fitz...it will be the same here if he becomes the starter.

I would guess Winston and mariota are more mobile and have bigger arms than Fitz...so they will be asked to do things Fitz cant physically do, good starts or not, they will be attacking QBs as they develop...like Flacco, Eli, Romo, Rivers, etc...

Fitz will be a Jay Fiedler type if he comes in...Drew Stanton if we're lucky. I think you're comparing apples to oranges. Everything would be different in the game plan and offensive philosophies when you input a player like Fitz...you do less on offense and just take some plays out of the game plan...because they cant be made. Some are riskier plays that are high risk high reward that will be INTs at times, or 80 yard TDs others...Winston and Mariota will get burned on some of those plays...but Fitz wont even be asked to make them. So I dont think its fair to hang a general sign like that over Mariota and Winston...they're being groomed to be Luck and Rodgers and seeing where they land. Fitz will be more of a Jay Fiedler type if asked to play...

Huh? I'm not pretending anything. If they were on level playing fields, on the same team, do you think Mariota and Winston will come out of the gate better than Fitzpatrick would do for those same teams?

If anything, you're comparing apples to oranges by making any statement about the Texans' weapons last year compared to TB or the Titans this year. My point all along has been that Fitzpatrick wouldn't start over them, but if he did, he'd perform better this year.

 

[Superman55]

Huh? I'm not pretending anything. If they were on level playing fields, on the same team, do you think Mariota and Winston will come out of the gate better than Fitzpatrick would do for those same teams?

If anything, you're comparing apples to oranges by making any statement about the Texans' weapons last year compared to TB or the Titans this year. My point all along has been that Fitzpatrick wouldn't start over them, but if he did, he'd perform better this year.

I guess he would; but primarily, because he wont be asked to do the same things they will. He'll be in a conservative system that doesn't take risks and lead to a higher QBR, comp %, and better TD:INT ratio, while mariota and winston will be in a conservative system at first that continually expands into an offense a franchise QB would be expected to run...not a game manager. So yes, Fitz would perform better based on what he's asked to do. If he was asked to execute what Winston and Mariota would be asked to do, I think his numbers would be a hair better, but he'd be a bottom 10 QB....like Mariota and Winston will be this year.

 

[SackExchange]

I guess he would; but primarily, because he wont be asked to do the same things they will. He'll be in a conservative system that doesn't take risks and lead to a higher QBR, comp %, and better TD:INT ratio, while mariota and winston will be in a conservative system at first that continually expands into an offense a franchise QB would be expected to run...not a game manager. So yes, Fitz would perform better based on what he's asked to do. If he was asked to execute what Winston and Mariota would be asked to do, I think his numbers would be a hair better, but he'd be a bottom 10 QB....like Mariota and Winston will be this year.

Well, let me ask it this way, then. Do you think on THIS team, Fitz would be a bottom 10 QB with the Jets?

 

[Superman55]

Well, let me ask it this way, then. Do you think on THIS team, Fitz would be a bottom 10 QB with the Jets?

No. he would be 12-18 I'd bet. Gaily will quickly see the weaknesses of our oline and have a quick, concise passing game that takes advantage of the big bodies we have in Decker, Amaro, and marshall with the occassional shots down field to Smith...with Fitz's arm I would guess a lot of the deep play calls will be predetermined shots set up from previous plays executed during the game. We'd be a run heavy team, see Arian Foster for Houston, but with our stable of backs, and Gaily would move the pocket and have a lot of quick hitting plays with WRs shielding defenders and presenting big targets. I dont think our offense will be as exactly like what we saw from Gaily and the Bills...because Stevie Johnson and David nelson were not marshall and Decker...Marshall and decker are way bigger with different games/strengths. I think what we saw from gaily in Dallas is more likely, from a play call and execution standpoint. Just my guess though, it remains to be seen what he's cooked up.

 

[SackExchange]

No. he would be 12-18 I'd bet. Gaily will quickly see the weaknesses of our oline and have a quick, concise passing game that takes advantage of the big bodies we have in Decker, Amaro, and marshall with the occassional shots down field to Smith...with Fitz's arm I would guess a lot of the deep play calls will be predetermined shots set up from previous plays executed during the game. We'd be a run heavy team, see Arian Foster for Houston, but with our stable of backs, and Gaily would move the pocket and have a lot of quick hitting plays with WRs shielding defenders and presenting big targets. I dont think our offense will be as exactly like what we saw from Gaily and the Bills...because Stevie Johnson and David nelson were not marshall and Decker...Marshall and decker are way bigger with different games/strengths. I think what we saw from gaily in Dallas is more likely, from a play call and execution standpoint. Just my guess though, it remains to be seen what he's cooked up.

That is pretty well what I would expect, as well. The addition of Marshall is so big, with Decker and Amaro already here. Smith can stretch the field, to prevent teams from cheating up too much.

If the line can be average (and I think they can...not much better than that, but not much worse), with an average passing game and a slightly above average ground game, that puts the offense in the middle of the pack. With a stout defense, that's not a bad formula.