Minor injury for Jets’ Jace Amaro is becoming real issue

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I can't see this transition happening seamlessly. It took Amaro long enough just to adjust to a pro offense. Now they're changing his position and responsibilities? This is going to take more than one season.

In fact, here is my second disappointment prediction for this season.

First, is our QB being totally unsettled and likely costing us many games because of his ineptness.

Second, is we will get very little production from the TE spot. Lets face the facts......... Geno finding and going to the TE was a total afterthought last season anyway. They could not find chemistry in the least little bit.

Now, I think Fitz will be starting and he will make that chemistry better, but certainly not to a great degree. He's still a below average QB in his own right and he's certainly not anyone the Jets want to stick with long term.

The Jets offense was already a work in progress for a few seasons. Changing a players position will only elongate that offenses learning curve overall.

I also believe Gailey may be biting off more than he can chew? Who will backup Amaro in his new role? I can't see anyone fitting that mold, not that I think Amaro does to begin with. Gailey has enough challenges simply getting the offensive rankings out of the basement.
 
Superman55

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I have no doubts in Amaro playing this position. I just hope he doesn't keep making me cringe for the next big drop...but I bet he gets an easy 60 receptions.
 
NYJETSDAN16

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Amaro is a baller. This will be a great transition for him and will give Geno/Fitz?Petty more weapons on the field.
Plus i honestly this this will help touch up his blocking skills.
 
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NYJETSDAN16 said:
Amaro is a baller. This will be a great transition for him and will give Geno/Fitz?Petty more weapons on the field.
Plus i honestly this this will help touch up his blocking skills.
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What blocking skills? We've never seen Amaro inserted into any obvious power running formations. They never put him in that because they were trying to give him a little at a time. That would have been too much at once.

Amaro was never used as an all around TE in his rookie season. He still drops a lot of passes and cannot block very well. Listing him as an H back IMO is an admission of guilt. It's the CS admitting that Amaro is NOT an all around TE. Because of course if he was, they wouldn't be trying any H back experiments with him.

I am not going to claim this cannot work, but it will take time. A lot longer than everyone on this site seems to think.
 
hobson54

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Mainejet said:
I can't see this transition happening seamlessly. It took Amaro long enough just to adjust to a pro offense. Now they're changing his position and responsibilities? This is going to take more than one season.

In fact, here is my second disappointment prediction for this season.

First, is our QB being totally unsettled and likely costing us many games because of his ineptness.

Second, is we will get very little production from the TE spot. Lets face the facts......... Geno finding and going to the TE was a total afterthought last season anyway. They could not find chemistry in the least little bit.

Now, I think Fitz will be starting and he will make that chemistry better, but certainly not to a great degree. He's still a below average QB in his own right and he's certainly not anyone the Jets want to stick with long term.

The Jets offense was already a work in progress for a few seasons. Changing a players position will only elongate that offenses learning curve overall.

I also believe Gailey may be biting off more than he can chew? Who will backup Amaro in his new role? I can't see anyone fitting that mold, not that I think Amaro does to begin with. Gailey has enough challenges simply getting the offensive rankings out of the basement.
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Mainejet said:
What blocking skills? We've never seen Amaro inserted into any obvious power running formations. They never put him in that because they were trying to give him a little at a time. That would have been too much at once.

Amaro was never used as an all around TE in his rookie season. He still drops a lot of passes and cannot block very well. Listing him as an H back IMO is an admission of guilt. It's the CS admitting that Amaro is NOT an all around TE. Because of course if he was, they wouldn't be trying any H back experiments with him.

I am not going to claim this cannot work, but it will take time. A lot longer than everyone on this site seems to think.
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you seem to contradict yourself. on the one hand, you say amaro isn't fit to be an in-line TE (i don't disagree). and in the other, you question why they are changing his responsibilities so he can focus on the receiving part of the position and not the blocking part.

i think way too much is being made of this so-called "position change". they are just using different terminology to describe his role, as an off-the-line receiving TE who will likely line up in the slot, split out wide, and perhaps sometimes, coming out of the backfield.

this is playing to amaro's strengths - getting him in position to challenge defenders as a receiving outlet, and decreasing his blocking responsibilities. why would you criticize the coaches for putting a player in a position to maximize his strengths and limit his weaknesses?
 
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hobson54 said:
i think way too much is being made of this so-called "position change". they are just using different terminology to describe his role, as an off-the-line receiving TE who will likely line up in the slot, split out wide, and perhaps sometimes, coming out of the backfield.

this is playing to amaro's strengths - getting him in position to challenge defenders as a receiving outlet, and decreasing his blocking responsibilities. why would you criticize the coaches for putting a player in a position to maximize his strengths and limit his weaknesses?
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I'm with you 100% here
 
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hobson54 said:
you seem to contradict yourself. on the one hand, you say amaro isn't fit to be an in-line TE (i don't disagree). and in the other, you question why they are changing his responsibilities so he can focus on the receiving part of the position and not the blocking part.

i think way too much is being made of this so-called "position change". they are just using different terminology to describe his role, as an off-the-line receiving TE who will likely line up in the slot, split out wide, and perhaps sometimes, coming out of the backfield.

this is playing to amaro's strengths - getting him in position to challenge defenders as a receiving outlet, and decreasing his blocking responsibilities. why would you criticize the coaches for putting a player in a position to maximize his strengths and limit his weaknesses?
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Who says they are focusing on the receiving part and not the blocking? You can NEVER get away from blocking, even as an H back. Blocking is an essential part of the game. If you can't block, what good are you for anything else?

And as I already mentioned, he drops a LOT of passes. So how is this position change going to suit him and/or the team?

Really, what I am saying is that the Jets are in the market for real live, true, all around, bonafide TE. Putting Amaro at H back is merely a scheme to try and exploit ways to make the offense a little more productive. If the Jets want to compete for a SB, they need to pick up an honest to goodness TE that can catch the ball and block well.

And I sense that Amaro will NEVER be that?
 
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Mainejet said:
Who says they are focusing on the receiving part and not the blocking? You can NEVER get away from blocking, even as an H back. Blocking is an essential part of the game. If you can't block, what good are you for anything else?

And as I already mentioned, he drops a LOT of passes. So how is this position change going to suit him and/or the team?

Really, what I am saying is that the Jets are in the market for real live, true, all around, bonafide TE. Putting Amaro at H back is merely a scheme to try and exploit ways to make the offense a little more productive. If the Jets want to compete for a SB, they need to pick up an honest to goodness TE that can catch the ball and block well.

And I sense that Amaro will NEVER be that?
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H-back is a part of the offense Gailey will run not a position created for Amaro
 
marac

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The comment about not getting production out of the TE position is laughable.
Just for arguments sake how much production were you you banking on out of the H- back position.
 
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johnnysd said:
H-back is a part of the offense Gailey will run not a position created for Amaro
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Yes, and it's a gimmick, nothing more. The Jets play in the northeast. Come playoff time, the Jets NEED to be able to run the ball and that requires a TE that can stand in the box with the rest of the linemen, give up your intentions to the other team and still successfully block the defense and get a running gain. Amaro has not shown that he is suited for that type of role. I don't believe he'll ever be.

So in this case, as much as Gailey does run this as part of his offensive philosophy, this is also out of necessity.

And it can work over the course of a season. I just don't believe having an H back and no true TE is enough to win the big games in the playoffs. Top ten defenses will annihilate that gimmick.
 
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Football51 said:
We have a pure blocking te.....Kellen Davis.
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Operative word being pure "blocking". He won't be a pass catching threat. The H back position has really evolved out of necessity because so many teams cannot find that "true TE", that guy that can block and catch passes. That's what the Jets need, truth be told.
 
johnnysd

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Mainejet said:
Yes, and it's a gimmick, nothing more. The Jets play in the northeast. Come playoff time, the Jets NEED to be able to run the ball and that requires a TE that can stand in the box with the rest of the linemen, give up your intentions to the other team and still successfully block the defense and get a running gain. Amaro has not shown that he is suited for that type of role. I don't believe he'll ever be.

So in this case, as much as Gailey does run this as part of his offensive philosophy, this is also out of necessity.

And it can work over the course of a season. I just don't believe having an H back and no true TE is enough to win the big games in the playoffs. Top ten defenses will annihilate that gimmick.
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It's not a gimmick it's a legitimate position for a certain type of player. We will not be running a traditional heavy set running offense, and it indeed may be a weakness in our offense, but basically what you are saying is you want a different offense than we will be running. I do not agree with you either, I think running from spread can be as effective in short yardage situations in the NE. Just a different approach.
 
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Mainejet said:
What blocking skills? We've never seen Amaro inserted into any obvious power running formations. They never put him in that because they were trying to give him a little at a time. That would have been too much at once.

Amaro was never used as an all around TE in his rookie season. He still drops a lot of passes and cannot block very well. Listing him as an H back IMO is an admission of guilt. It's the CS admitting that Amaro is NOT an all around TE. Because of course if he was, they wouldn't be trying any H back experiments with him.

I am not going to claim this cannot work, but it will take time. A lot longer than everyone on this site seems to think.
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Another BUM I guess?

How many BUMS do we have? 40,.50....... more???
 
maxmet

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Mainejet said:
Yes, and it's a gimmick, nothing more. The Jets play in the northeast. Come playoff time, the Jets NEED to be able to run the ball and that requires a TE that can stand in the box with the rest of the linemen, give up your intentions to the other team and still successfully block the defense and get a running gain. Amaro has not shown that he is suited for that type of role. I don't believe he'll ever be.

So in this case, as much as Gailey does run this as part of his offensive philosophy, this is also out of necessity.

And it can work over the course of a season. I just don't believe having an H back and no true TE is enough to win the big games in the playoffs. Top ten defenses will annihilate that gimmick.
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I think the team that first popularized H back was the Skins - the Skins of the Hogs - the Skins of Joe Gibbs. Someone probably had it before them, but they used it. In the Northeast. In old school counter-trey football.

Now, I dont know whether Amaro can block well enough to be out there in all down and distance situations, but an H back can definitely block in situations where 90% of the time you want to run. And 10% of the time, you want the H back to disappear into the line and then reappear as he catches the short ball.
 
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