No settlement between Brady and the NFL

[Jet Fan RI]

CBS Sports is reporting there was no settlement reached between Brady and the NFL today, the last day for settlement talks before the judge rules, Judge said he will rule before Friday.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-in-nfl-versus-tom-brady-ruling-before-friday

 

[flgreen]

WE'll see the American judicial system at work now.

Brady walks

 

[Elias]

So does that mean the ruling is up to the courts and not the NFL anymore?

 

[flgreen]

So does that mean the ruling is up to the courts and not the NFL anymore?

Yep Judge will rule before Friday.

If he rules for Brady the CBA is out the window. The Commissioner will have no more power. NFL will have to appeal

 

[Jet Fan RI]

The article says whichever side loses will appeal.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

WE'll see the American judicial system at work now.

Brady walks

Sadly I agree, I'll be surprised if the Judge actually respects the CBA (as he should) and decides to bud out.

 

[NickSINYC]

I'm glad Goodell stood his ground. I would rather be screwed by the courts than him and Kraft

 

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Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN 3m3 minutes ago
NFL never made formal settlement offer, but indicated willing to cut suspension to 3 games if Brady admitted DeflateGate guilt. No deal.

 

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Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN 2m2 minutes ago
If NFL loses, why appeal and drag this out? Because it doesn't want players going to court whenever they object to discipline.
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Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN 4m4 minutes ago
Brady refused to sign document admitting he did something he's adamant he didn't do. He was willing to take a fine for not cooperating.

 

[Old#15]

If that's the case then I wonder how the precedent impacts all commissioner suspensions. The league's jurisdiction of how someone conducts themselves in the privacy of their own home during the off-season will be challenged, particularly if it relates to the suspension of a critically important player.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

If that's the case then I wonder how the precedent impacts all commissioner suspensions. The league's jurisdiction of how someone conducts themselves in the privacy of their own home during the off-season will be challenged, particularly if it relates to the suspension of a critically important player.

The lawyer types I have seen make comments that pretty much said the ruling will be to uphold the suspension. Because, 1) He doesn't want to set a precedent, and 2) He doesn't want to be overturned on appeal. Most of the lawyer types also seem to think Brady won't get an injunction if he appeals.

 

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Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN 2m2 minutes ago
If NFL loses, why appeal and drag this out? Because it doesn't want players going to court whenever they object to discipline.
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Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN 4m4 minutes ago
Brady refused to sign document admitting he did something he's adamant he didn't do. He was willing to take a fine for not cooperating.

this is why we have more people imprisoned and our justice system fails

so they said either you confess or you get a pittance fine even though he and his wife are millionaires and could prob go out and get any endorsement to pay for the fines

I would have said if you really are not guilty then put your money where your mouth is if you say your innocent but I find you guilty you will sit the whole season and not get a paychk.

Then lets see if he sticks to his guns.

our justice system is a pussified joke

 

[Hunter100]

First off - the PU should NEVER have agreed to let Goodlell or the NFL's front office hear ANY appeals on their own rulings, - aside from stupid that's a clear "conflict of interest." - ANY future agreement between the players union & the league has to have ANY appeals heard by a "completely independent" arbitrator or an independent 3 man arbitration panel - who's decision is final.

 

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this is why we have more people imprisoned and our justice system fails

so they said either you confess or you get a pittance fine even though he and his wife are millionaires and could prob go out and get any endorsement to pay for the fines

I would have said if you really are not guilty then put your money where your mouth is if you say your innocent but I find you guilty you will sit the whole season and not get a paychk.

Then lets see if he sticks to his guns.

our justice system is a pussified joke

Yep, ISIS and China have it down much better

 

[mykcuz]

First off - the PU should NEVER have agreed to let Goodlell or the NFL's front office hear ANY appeals on their own rulings, - aside from stupid that's a clear "conflict of interest." - ANY future agreement between the players union & the league has to have ANY appeals heard by a "completely independent" arbitrator or an independent 3 man arbitration panel - who's decision is final.

I don't really see the conflict of interest considering the commissioner serves at the pleasure of the owners. The owners don't want the commissioner suspending their players willy nilly.

The old system where the commissioner heard the appeal of his own decision was terrible.

I wouldn't be against an arbitration panel, but Also don't think it's necessary. Discipline is the authority of the commissioner, this isn't a legal system, it's a corporation enforcing it's rules of conduct. And to be honest, any other corporation would fire these guys who beat kids, drive 143 with a kid in the car, etc. So if anything, these guys are getting more leniency than if they were in the real world.

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[mykcuz]

I really don't understand why this judge demanded settlement talks. His job is to review the claims of each party, and more precisely in this case, the nfl filed a request to validate their ruling. So the judges only duty is to validate it or not. And, as some forget, the nfl discipline system is not a court of law. The commissioner followed the cba and the discretion it gives him. Brady might not like it, but it's a legal agreement the player union agreed to.

The judge should have looked only at the power granted in the cba and ruled it validated or not, no need for dragging this out like he did.

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[McJet]

I really don't understand why this judge demanded settlement talks. His job is to review the claims of each party, and more precisely in this case, the nfl filed a request to validate their ruling. So the judges only duty is to validate it or not. And, as some forget, the nfl discipline system is not a court of law. The commissioner followed the cba and the discretion it gives him. Brady might not like it, but it's a legal agreement the player union agreed to.

The judge should have looked only at the power granted in the cba and ruled it validated or not, no need for dragging this out like he did.

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[Hunter100]

Discipline in the NFL is rather arbitrary, - not everyone is treated alike. That HAS to change, plus is really it is a "supposed legal system" of sorts, just not run by any government. Somewhat of a private sheriff. - The NFL is certainly NOT infallible & judgements deemed by, let's say a defendant should have the right to appeal a judgement - which is what we really are talking about. - Any appeal should be heard by someone definitely not involved in assessing the original penalty - that's completely absurd. - In the real world that wouldn't be tolerated - kind of another form of fantasy football.

 

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Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN 3m3 minutes ago
NFL never made formal settlement offer, but indicated willing to cut suspension to 3 games if Brady admitted DeflateGate guilt. No deal.

NFL Network says the meeting lasted 4 minutes. Sounds like they are nowhere near a compromise. I really can't believe Goodell actually stood his ground.

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[mykcuz]

Discipline in the NFL is rather arbitrary, - not everyone is treated alike. That HAS to change, plus is really it is a "supposed legal system" of sorts, just not run by any government. Somewhat of a private sheriff. - The NFL is certainly NOT infallible & judgements deemed by, let's say a defendant should have the right to appeal a judgement - which is what we really are talking about. - Any appeal should be heard by someone definitely not involved in assessing the original penalty - that's completely absurd. - In the real world that wouldn't be tolerated - kind of another form of fantasy football.

Respectfully, you keep sliding into a courtroom mentality. This is a workplace issue. It is the same as your boss executing a conduct clause in your contract at work. You cannot appeal it. You could only sue your boss for damages if he violated the contract.

Goodell is not in violation, the nfl is not a branch of government, players play a game for money, voluntarily.

I think you misunderstand this court process. It's not a lawsuit, the judge has no authority other than to say Goodell acted as described in the cba, or that he failed to act according to the cba. He cannot change the punishment, this whole back and forth is ridiculous.

Punishments for players is very uniform with a couple exceptions. And there's good reason. The cba has specific language for conduct violations and substance/drug violations. Some violations have mandatory penalties that must be enforced, others are not addressed at all.

For example, ray rice punching his girlfriend. Not in the cba. So things like that are discretionary. Sheldon Richardson failing 3 drug tests, in the cba, mandatory suspension.
Tom Brady texting ball boys how he likes his balls to feel, not in the cba.

Also, the last thing the nfl wants to do is be a sheriff, detective, etc. They test all players equally. If something comes to their attention regarding a player breaking a rule or breaking a conduct policy, they address it as required by the discipline aspect of the commissioners job description. When the nfl discovers a punishable offense has occurred, they must find all facts available to then to make an informed decision.
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