The Never-ending Geno debate

[Greentilldeath]

Mosher wrote an article claiming now is the time to re insert Geno as the starter. After reading it, I have mixed thoughts on this. Sure, Geno would be able to utilize Devin Smith more, and possibly further open up the running game for Ivory. But I'm not sure its the best time to upset the apple cart either. I thought Fitz looked great for the first couple games, then not so much the last pair of games. Perhaps the reason is that Decker missed one game entirely, and saw limited action last week. For the first 2 games with Decker, I felt totally comfortable that when Fitz dropped back and threw, the would be no pick, and a great possibility for a reception. Everytime Geno dropped back last year.... I figured it was gonna be a 50-50 proposition that a pick may occur, and a definite possibility of an incompletion. I do, however, feel that once teams can shut down Ivory, we are gonna be in trouble, and if we have to play from behind....there is gonna be real issues with Fitz .
Thoughts ?????? Really like to know what you guys think.....

 

[flgreen]

And Cannizzaro wrote an article saying Fitz, and Ivory are th co-MVP's on offense.

I much more agree with Cannizzaro.

Now is definitely not the time to put Smith in. I'm not sure there is ever going to be a time to put Smith in.

 

[lounap23]

we are 3 and 1.... Fitz has played well.... No need to rock the boat.... Geno did nothing before his injury to deserve to be reinserted as the starter when healthy.... Fitz needs to play bad for 3 games, at least, for Geno to be reinserted..

 

[ucrenegade]

dump

marshall will never let the fo put smith in right now he loves fitz they have chemistry

 

[Bronx]

Fitz plays, he deserves it. Bowles confirms it. Its the right call

but lets not fabricate history and act like Geno was not the clear cut starter before the incident.

 

[Lakerfan80]

Nonsense...and whats's a strong arm when you lose time seeing the play develop and your delivery is slow? Devin Smith? Who is he to make changes for?

 

[Savage69]

Fitz plays, he deserves it. Bowles confirms it. Its the right call

but lets not fabricate history and act like Geno was not the clear cut starter before the incident.

He was before any preseason games... What if Geno didn't look as good when he wasn't wearing a red jersey and a D not his own could hit him?? In year 3 with the addition of Marshall I admit I miss a stronger arm throwing deep which Fitz can't do.. The problem is the team really likes Fitz they even wear Fitzmagic T-shirts. Geno never had that kind of respect or love from the team.. So as long as Fitz wins he plays what else can Bowles do?? Now if Fitz gets killed against the Pats a move could be possibly made then.. Unless of course Fitz keeps thinking he's Steve Young or Fran Tarkington and keeps running..LOL

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

Fitzy is the starter. We're 3-1.

We'd be 0-4 with Geno.

Let's not act like this isn't the truth.

 

[Pattycakes]

Fitz plays, he deserves it. Bowles confirms it. Its the right call

but lets not fabricate history and act like Geno was not the clear cut starter before the incident.

agreed. as long as we're winning games, fitz will be playing and deservedly so. let's also not forget that on all accounts geno was clearly going to be the guy before he got his clock cleaned.

Fitzy is the starter. We're 3-1.

We'd be 0-4 with Geno.

Let's not act like this isn't the truth.

there's no way of knowing how we would be with a different quarterback. sure, it's possible that we would be 0-4 but may we would be 4-0.

let's just enjoy that only 1/4 through the season, we have 75% as many wins as last season. in my opinion we don't need to worry about switching quarterbacks unless fitz' play falls off a cliff or he gets hurt.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

It takes hutzpah to write that column when the Jets are 3-1, but IMO its not as crazy as it sounds.

Do I think it will happen? Absolutely not, there's no way Bowles is making a QB switch at 3-1, but lets not kid ourselves, Fitz has been far from perfect, he's thrown 6 INT's thru four games (and there could have been more), that equals out to 24 INT's over a full season, far too many, particularly for a game manager whose primary attribute is supposed to be his intelligence and decision making, and his 7 to 6 TD to INT ratio is hardly up to snuff either.

Lastly we have also seen thru four games that the book on his arm strength, or lack thereof, was not overstated. He's very good with the short to intermediate stuff inside the hash marks, but his arm limitations are noticeable on deep balls and out patterns, particularly his deep balls that resemble wounded ducks and volley floaters, and those limitations become more pronounced as the weather grows colder in the northeast and the winds start swirling at MetLife.

I'm not saying we will or even should make the switch at 3-1, but Geno has more arm talent and there are some real danger signs we have seen with Fitzpatrick despite being 3-1. Winning is nice, thats why you don't switch, but there are genuine reasons to be concerned about the QB.

 

[Bronx]

It takes hutzpah to write that column when the Jets are 3-1, but IMO its not as crazy as it sounds.

Do I think it will happen? Absolutely not, there's no way Bowles is making a QB switch at 3-1, but lets not kid ourselves, Fitz has been far from perfect, he's thrown 6 INT's thru four games (and there could have been more), that equals out to 24 INT's over a full season, far too many, particularly for a game manager whose primary attribute is supposed to be his intelligence and decision making, and his 7 to 6 TD to INT ratio is hardly up to snuff either.

Lastly we have also seen thru four games that the book on his arm strength, or lack thereof, was not overstated. He's very good with the short to intermediate stuff inside the hash marks, but his arm limitations are noticeable on deep balls and out patterns, particularly his deep balls that resemble wounded ducks and volley floaters, and those limitations become more pronounced as the weather grows colder in the northeast and the winds start swirling at MetLife.

I'm not saying we will or even should make the switch at 3-1, but Geno has more arm talent and there are some real danger signs we have seen with Fitzpatrick despite being 3-1. Winning is nice, thats why you don't switch, but there are genuine reasons to be concerned about the QB.

I think Bowles would've preferred pulling the plug on Geno than the other way around. It's harder to go to a younger, less successful player. If Fitz keeps winning, there will be no reason to make the switch, regardless of arm talent. But it's not like Fitz is Johnny Unitas. He has serious limitations. And to be honest, we've have 3 wins over three horrible teams. But that's also taking care of your business. Let's see how things turn out as the games get tougher and the winds get stronger

 

[jetgreen13]

And Cannizzaro wrote an article saying Fitz, and Ivory are th co-MVP's on offense.

I much more agree with Cannizzaro.

Now is definitely not the time to put Smith in. I'm not sure there is ever going to be a time to put Smith in.

cannizzaro is & exception to the rule.. a jet beat writer who actually seems fond of the team..

at 3-1 IMHO, bowlse would have to be smoking better stuff than richardson..

 

[Fudbutter]

None of this would be an issue if only Tajh Boyd stepped up and stole this job away on his way to a pro bowl career

Actually, the one to blame is Chad Pennington. He was supposed to lead the team to years of victories on short throws and handouts. This would have been year 16, he would have gotten it down by now. Plus the team would have drafted someone other than Sanchez in '09 (Clay Mathews?) to fill another position.

So thanks a lot Chad wherever you are

BTW: The only argument for Geno is that he has a much higher ceiling (whatever the odds you feel of him reaching it) and it will be hard for the Jets to win their division and playoff games with the offense the way it is now. High risk,high reward. IMHO, I think that it's too early to take that risk. The next two games (the second of which is at NE) will decide the course of action here. Jacksonville at home would be a good game to make this switch if 3-3 due to the offense bogging down and/or unable to mount comebacks.

... and I still feel that it should have been Todd over Robinson all along

 

[flgreen]

Mosher wrote an article claiming now is the time to re insert Geno as the starter. After reading it, I have mixed thoughts on this. Sure, Geno would be able to utilize Devin Smith more, and possibly further open up the running game for Ivory. But I'm not sure its the best time to upset the apple cart either. I thought Fitz looked great for the first couple games, then not so much the last pair of games. Perhaps the reason is that Decker missed one game entirely, and saw limited action last week. For the first 2 games with Decker, I felt totally comfortable that when Fitz dropped back and threw, the would be no pick, and a great possibility for a reception. Everytime Geno dropped back last year.... I figured it was gonna be a 50-50 proposition that a pick may occur, and a definite possibility of an incompletion. I do, however, feel that once teams can shut down Ivory, we are gonna be in trouble, and if we have to play from behind....there is gonna be real issues with Fitz .
Thoughts ?????? Really like to know what you guys think.....

Just wondering.

Who the hell is Dan Mosher?

Please don't tell me he's another one on the 856,000,000 Jets blogs writers that have sprung up.

 

[soj]

sigh, agree fitz is limited but he is 3-1. I do not give a rats ass about Geno's upside because for me I ahve seen enough of his to last a life time. He is immature and arrogant coupled with poor decision making, no ability to read defenses, etc., etc. etc.

Bowles stated Fitz is the starter.

 

[Lakerfan80]

This wouldn't even be a topic on any other team but many Jet fans won't be satisfied until the team has it's very own Tom Brady.

 

[Mugatu]

It takes hutzpah to write that column when the Jets are 3-1, but IMO its not as crazy as it sounds.

Do I think it will happen? Absolutely not, there's no way Bowles is making a QB switch at 3-1, but lets not kid ourselves, Fitz has been far from perfect, he's thrown 6 INT's thru four games (and there could have been more), that equals out to 24 INT's over a full season, far too many, particularly for a game manager whose primary attribute is supposed to be his intelligence and decision making, and his 7 to 6 TD to INT ratio is hardly up to snuff either.

Lastly we have also seen thru four games that the book on his arm strength, or lack thereof, was not overstated. He's very good with the short to intermediate stuff inside the hash marks, but his arm limitations are noticeable on deep balls and out patterns, particularly his deep balls that resemble wounded ducks and volley floaters, and those limitations become more pronounced as the weather grows colder in the northeast and the winds start swirling at MetLife.

I'm not saying we will or even should make the switch at 3-1, but Geno has more arm talent and there are some real danger signs we have seen with Fitzpatrick despite being 3-1. Winning is nice, thats why you don't switch, but there are genuine reasons to be concerned about the QB.

The biggest difference between a Geno INT and a Fitz INT is often the circumstances they happen. Both on the field of play and during the course of the game.

I think for starters we can write off the one pick he threw in the Miami game because it was the worst case of ignored pass interference in history.

It seems that Fitz has avoided picks in our half of the field AND near the LOS. A couple of his have been damn near punts.

Geno always seems to throw INTs that gave the opposition an incredibly short field. In a lot of cases he would miss seeing the defender altogether. Leading to a pick and return.... As opposed to Fitz who has been burned more on jump balls and sideline passes.

It would be interesting to see the average field position and return for the INTS that Geno has thrown the last couple years vs what Fitz has done this year.

They just don't seem as "killer" as Genos.

 

[flgreen]

The biggest difference between a Geno INT and a Fitz INT is often the circumstances they happen. Both on the field of play and during the course of the game.

I think for starters we can write off the one pick he threw in the Miami game because it was the worst case of ignored pass interference in history.

It seems that Fitz has avoided picks in our half of the field AND near the LOS. A couple of his have been damn near punts.

Geno always seems to throw INTs that gave the opposition an incredibly short field. In a lot of cases he would miss seeing the defender altogether. Leading to a pick and return.... As opposed to Fitz who has been burned more on jump balls and sideline passes.

It would be interesting to see the average field position and return for the INTS that Geno has thrown the last couple years vs what Fitz has done this year.

They just don't seem as "killer" as Genos.

Agree 100%. It's called field awareness. Knowing when to put the ball in jeopardy, and when to pull it down and run.

I think we can also write off 2 in the Birds game. The one in the closing minutes where Winters forgot to block, Marshall was open, and the ball got tipped. The other one that went right through Marshall's hands, and the DB made a great play on. To his credit, Marshall took full ownership of the pick after the game

 

[atmorrisjr]

The biggest difference between a Geno INT and a Fitz INT is often the circumstances they happen. Both on the field of play and during the course of the game.

I think for starters we can write off the one pick he threw in the Miami game because it was the worst case of ignored pass interference in history.

It seems that Fitz has avoided picks in our half of the field AND near the LOS. A couple of his have been damn near punts.

Geno always seems to throw INTs that gave the opposition an incredibly short field. In a lot of cases he would miss seeing the defender altogether. Leading to a pick and return.... As opposed to Fitz who has been burned more on jump balls and sideline passes.

It would be interesting to see the average field position and return for the INTS that Geno has thrown the last couple years vs what Fitz has done this year.

They just don't seem as "killer" as Genos.

The difference is Fitz gets picked throwing to Brandon Marshall or Devon Smith in double coverage, Geno gets picked on a 3rd and long to [receiver name here] over the middle. B-I-G difference. Hell I'd throw into double coverage to BM, and DS has shown time and time again, albeit in college, that no one can stay with him. Both of those risks have a better then 50-50 chance of a high reward. Geno's picks are typically a ball thrown a mile behind an average receiver or way too high and it gets tipped.

 

[Mugatu]

Agree 100%. It's called field awareness. Knowing when to put the ball in jeopardy, and when to pull it down and run.

I think we can also write off 2 in the Birds game. The one in the closing minutes where Winters forgot to block, Marshall was open, and the ball got tipped. The other one that went right through Marshall's hands, and the DB made a great play on. To his credit, Marshall took full ownership of the pick after the game

Yeah. With Fitz I don't find myself ever saying "how did he not see the safety coming across the middle!!!". It's usually an INT due to circumstance (throwing on 3rd and long down the field) or simply a player making a great play and beating our WR. With Geno we'd be 2nd and 5 at our 35 and he'd stare down his WR and some LB or safety would jump the route and the D would end up defending the redzone 2 plays later.

Some of Fitz's INTs are definitely due to his arm strength downfield, but I would rather see a physical mistake than a mental one. You can adjust game plans for physical limitations....you can't adjust for dumb.