Jets Plan Is To Keep "Old Guy" Upright

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Jets' plan is to keep 'old guy' upright -- and it's working
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Rich Cimini, ESPN Staff Writer

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- So the New York Jets have allowed only two sacks in four games. That's pretty good, considering their total was 47 last season.

"Pretty cool," right tackle Breno Giacomini said of the improvement.

What's going on here? Seven of the 11 starters are the same as last year, including four on the offensive line, yet they're a different team when it comes to protecting the quarterback. Three reasons why they've allowed only two sacks:

1. Offensive line: The only new starter is left guard James Carpenter, so they're basically doing it with the same personnel as 2014. Therein lies one of the reasons why it's clicking -- continuity. Look around the NFL and you will see many teams that had to rebuild their lines in the offseason. Such is life in the free-agency era. ESPN analyst Bill Polian has said on multiple occasions that offensive-line play in the league is at an all-time low. Many teams are breaking in young players, leading to mistakes. The Jets' starting five isn't perfect, but each starter has at least four years experience. That matters. They also have a Yoda-like player in the middle, center Nick Mangold, who makes the line calls. He has "an offensive coordinator mind and a quarterback mind," guard Willie Colon said. "That's what makes him so great."

Collectively, they've been giving Ryan Fitzpatrick time in the pocket, and that's the most important thing. Proof: The Jets' average time from snap to release of the ball is 2.76 seconds, second-best in the league, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

"We take pride in keeping an old guy like Fitz up," Colon said. "He's old like us and it's our job to keep him clean and keep him upright."


Ryan Fitzpatrick's decision-making is a big part of why the Jets have allowed only two sacks so far this season. Paul Sancya/AP
2. Fitzpatrick: He's a huge reason for the improvement. It's hard to sack him because he sees the field so well and generally makes sound decisions, knowing when and where to throw. That's what separates him from Geno Smith, who was responsible for many of last year's sacks. Pre-snap, Fitzpatrick has the ability to diagnose blitzes, allowing them to adjust their protection schemes. That's why you've seen very few unblocked blitzers. Post-snap, he "never sits back there," Colon said. "Fitz knows where he's going with the ball right away." He also has escaped sacks with his scrambling.

There's a tradeoff with Fitzpatrick. You know he's going to throw interceptions -- that's his history -- but he'll save negative plays with his ability to avoid sacks.

"I think our line has done a good job with protection and I think Fitz understands where the ball needs to go and it needs to get out," offensive coordinator Chan Gailey said. "It's probably a combination of all that."

3. The system: Gailey's system is predicated on quick throws. It doesn't happen all the time -- they're among the leaders in long-pass attempts -- but it's the general philosophy. By spreading the field with three, four and sometimes five receivers, they create more options for the quarterback. They can also force teams to play man-to-man coverage, which makes for easier reads for the quarterback. And let's not forget about the receivers, their most talented group in years. While they don't have anyone in the regular rotation with the ability to gain quick separation off the line of scrimmage, they have big targets such as Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker who can use their size to make catches even when they're covered.

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That 2.76 "ball out" time is the reason. Last season it was over 5. One of the worst in the league. Made the OL look like crap.
 

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That 2.76 "ball out" time is the reason. Last season it was over 5. One of the worst in the league. Made the OL look like crap.

That's a good stat. I was looking for it. This explains why Colon, D'Brick have all looked great. If there is one thing i hope Petty/Geno can learn from the "old man" it's his decisiveness. Fitz is very decisive. He knows where he wants to go with the ball and then slings it. If not a good pass, he checks down.
 
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That's a good stat. I was looking for it. This explains why Colon, D'Brick have all looked great. If there is one thing i hope Petty/Geno can learn from the "old man" it's his decisiveness. Fitz is very decisive. He knows where he wants to go with the ball and then slings it. If not a good pass, he checks down.

Fitz is not usually doing a one read thing. Unless he rolls to his right. Watch him. When the ball is snapped. His head goes on a swivel. He reads 3 receiver's and either gets the ball to one, or takes it down for positive yards.

Not sure Smith will ever learn to do that. One of the main reasons he fell from top ten pick, to 2nd round was a lot of teams deemed him uncoachable after his pre-draft interview circuit.

He just doesn't seem to learn lessons well.
 

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That 2.76 "ball out" time is the reason. Last season it was over 5. One of the worst in the league. Made the OL look like crap.

It is a function of the simple read offense and Brandon Marshall period. Fitz has very little to do with it.
 

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It is a function of the simple read offense and Brandon Marshall period. Fitz has very little to do with it.

So I guess you're on the record that Geno would have been just as (if not more) successful in this offense?

Not sure we'll ever find out, but if we do I certainly hope you're right . . .
 

johnnysd

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Really? Your aware that Fitz was ranked as [URL=http://jetsfansunited.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=9]#9 [/URL] QB last year right? Was that all system he had nothing to do with also?

Smith was ranked 29

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2014

I think Fitz has played fairly lousy for the Jets this year, but all the dump offs, Marshall and the Gailey offense lead to respectable looking statistical numbers but we are not winning because of Fitz we are winning in spite of him. The Fitz supporters will never see it, and you seem to be a big fan but I do not want to get into that argument. Fitz is not accurate, has no arm, and has benefited from a terrific defensive effort so far. Keep in mind that Houston had no interest in keeping him despite him being the #9 "ranked" QB last year. By the way, after Geno had a healthy Decker, Owusu and Harvin he was the #1 rated QB for the last four games but that stat is equally as useless as the completely bogus and nonsensical rating of Fitz as #9 last year. QB rating is simply one data point.
 
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I think Fitz has played fairly lousy for the Jets this year, but all the dump offs, Marshall and the Gailey offense lead to respectable looking statistical numbers but we are not winning because of Fitz we are winning in spite of him. The Fitz supporters will never see it, and you seem to be a big fan but I do not want to get into that argument. Fitz is not accurate, has no arm, and has benefited from a terrific defensive effort so far. Keep in mind that Houston had no interest in keeping him despite him being the #9 "ranked" QB last year. By the way, after Geno had a healthy Decker, Owusu and Harvin he was the #1 rated QB for the last four games but that stat is equally as useless as the completely bogus and nonsensical rating of Fitz as #9 last year. QB rating is simply one data point.

No, no, your mistaken. I am not a big fan of Fitz. It's just that, putting the stats aside, the eye test tells me we have a major improvement at QB. Not a great QB, but not the worst QB in the league either.

I think the real test was 6 skill position veteran players were polled during the week anonymously. By Dyer I believe. The question was , do you think Fitz should be replaced at QB. All 6 of them said no, and had glowing things to say about Fitz.

I have no delusion that Fitz is an elite QB. I also have no delusion that Smith is even a decent QB.
 

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I think Fitz has played fairly lousy for the Jets this year, but all the dump offs, Marshall and the Gailey offense lead to respectable looking statistical numbers but we are not winning because of Fitz we are winning in spite of him. The Fitz supporters will never see it, and you seem to be a big fan but I do not want to get into that argument. Fitz is not accurate, has no arm, and has benefited from a terrific defensive effort so far. Keep in mind that Houston had no interest in keeping him despite him being the #9 "ranked" QB last year. By the way, after Geno had a healthy Decker, Owusu and Harvin he was the #1 rated QB for the last four games but that stat is equally as useless as the completely bogus and nonsensical rating of Fitz as #9 last year. QB rating is simply one data point.

I don't think you know what "winning in spite of" means.

When you win in spite of someone, it means they should have single-handedly lost the game for you, but somehow the team pulled it out anyway. We've won MANY games in recent memory IN SPITE OF our QBs.

If that's how you felt watching Fitz, I guess you're entitled to your opinion. But there's a HUGE difference between "this guy can't take a team on his back" (which I COMPLETELY agree with) and "we're winning in spite of him" . . .
 
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The guys who's livelihood depends on the QB, seem to disagree with the fact that Fitz sucks.

He's a natural leader. Decker agrees
He's deadly accurate. Decker agrees
He's brilliant. Decker agrees
He lacks the arm strength to be a starting quarterback in the NFL..

Yeah, Decker says there's nothing further from the truth.

Speaking after practice on Thursday, Decker weighed in on the biggest criticism thrown Fitzpatrick's way, and in particular, how he feels about it. Having worked with Fitzpatrick each and every day in practice for the last several months, Decker has seen first hand what Fitzpatrick can do.

And in his professional opinion, there's nothing any other quarterback can do that Fitzpatrick's can't himself.

"He can make every throw in the book," Decker said. "Whether the throw is 70 yards on a line or not, it doesn't matter. If you can make all the throws in the game, and Fitzpatrick, from what I've seen over the last six months of being with him, he can make every throw.

"That's not a question, it's not a surprise to me. I got to witness it everyday in practice. He's been great for us."


Marshall, like Decker, offered high praise for Fitzpatrick. He agreed there's no issue with the quarterback's arm, but also said it helps when Fitzpatrick takes it to a "totally different speed" on game days.

"It gets on you quick," Marshall said. "Fitz, I don't know where people get it that he doesn't have a talented arm or strong arm, he actually does

http://www.scout.com/nfl/jets/story/1588334-decker-fitzpatrick-can-make-all-the-throws

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I don't believe that the WR's actually think that Fitz is the best QB in the NFL, they just know what the other option is.

Decker has played with the other option. That's why he's rocking a "Fitz Magic" t-shirt
 

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I don't believe that the WR's actually think that Fitz is the best QB in the NFL, they just know what the other option is.

Decker has played with the other option. That's why he's rocking a "Fitz Magic" t-shirt

Veterans ALWAYS want to have the veteran QB. Really says nothing about how good Fitz is or how bad Geno is. And since he gets asked all the time by reporters, what is he supposed to say:

"Well, we are going with Fitz because our starting QB had his jaw broken. Fitz really is not that accurate and cannot spread the field but luckily the defense is so good, we have not had to rely on Fitz to do much other than just get some short passes to me and and Brandon and we will take care of the rest"

Decker's comments are completely irrelevant. When Geno was the clear starter, go back and you will see they were saying the same things. Marshall refused to catch the ball from Fitz because Geno was so great in his eyes.

I fear, that Fitz is going to flame out and defenses will shut him down more and more just as has happened throughout his career.
 
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Veterans ALWAYS want to have the veteran QB. Really says nothing about how good Fitz is or how bad Geno is. And since he gets asked all the time by reporters, what is he supposed to say:

"Well, we are going with Fitz because our starting QB had his jaw broken. Fitz really is not that accurate and cannot spread the field but luckily the defense is so good, we have not had to rely on Fitz to do much other than just get some short passes to me and and Brandon and we will take care of the rest"

Decker's comments are completely irrelevant. When Geno was the clear starter, go back and you will see they were saying the same things. Marshall refused to catch the ball from Fitz because Geno was so great in his eyes.

I fear, that Fitz is going to flame out and defenses will shut him down more and more just as has happened throughout his career.

Yep, your right.

That's why Decker was wearing a Fitz Magic t-shirt. And promised he would buy one for the whole team. Just something he had to do. Weird I can't remember him doing anything for Smith last year. Must have missed it.

If Fitz flames out late in the season, so be it. last year at Halloween the Jets were 1-7. He didn't waste any time in flaming out.

Over the rest of the season, they only won one more game, until they got to the Titans, who had the 2nd pick in the draft, and the Fish on week 17, who the majority of the Fish players had already cleaned out their lockers. Was kind of a big story in So Florida. Philbin should have been fired then.

The big change was Harvin, for Marshall. Yep, Marshall is a better player, but harvin is still explosive WR.

I'll role the dice that Fitz is going to get better as Devin Smith, Owusu, and Enuwua. get more acclimated
 

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Yep, your right.

That's why Decker was wearing a Fitz Magic t-shirt. And promised he would buy one for the whole team. Just something he had to do. Weird I can't remember him doing anything for Smith last year. Must have missed it.

If Fitz flames out late in the season, so be it. last year at Halloween the Jets were 1-7. He didn't waste any time in flaming out.

Over the rest of the season, they only won one more game, until they got to the Titans, who had the 2nd pick in the draft, and the Fish on week 17, who the majority of the Fish players had already cleaned out their lockers. Was kind of a big story in So Florida. Philbin should have been fired then.

The big change was Harvin, for Marshall. Yep, Marshall is a better player, but harvin is still explosive WR.

I'll role the dice that Fitz is going to get better as Devin Smith, Owusu, and Enuwua. get more acclimated

Clearly we just disagree. As a Jets fan I hope we keep winning with Fitz, but history is very much against it.

And when I watch him, I see a weak armed, very inaccurate QB that gets by with short quick passes and a good understanding of the play book, but he is far below average as a QB and not helping this offense.
 
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johnnysd;59435[B said:
]Clearly we just disagree[/B]. As a Jets fan I hope we keep winning with Fitz, but history is very much against it.

And when I watch him, I see a weak armed, very inaccurate QB that gets by with short quick passes and a good understanding of the play book, but he is far below average as a QB and not helping this offense.

Johnny I agree. We've beaten this to death.

Whereas, As Bill Parcels once said, "the only QB stat I care about, is W's and L's" Right now the Jets are 3-1, soon to be 5-1. :)

This time last year the Jets were 1-3.

You've been a gentleman, and I enjoyed myself.

This time next week the Jets will be 4-1, with a legitimate chance to take charge of the AFCE.
 

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Johnny I agree. We've beaten this to death.

Whereas, As Bill Parcels once said, "the only QB stat I care about, is W's and L's" Right now the Jets are 3-1, soon to be 5-1. :)

This time last year the Jets were 1-3.

You've been a gentleman, and I enjoyed myself.

This time next week the Jets will be 4-1, with a legitimate chance to take charge of the AFCE.

With all the Redskin injuries it would be a major disaster if we are not 4-1. Good test of Bowles's ability to get his team to perform when they are prohibitive favorites to win a game.
 

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With all the Redskin injuries it would be a major disaster if we are not 4-1. Good test of Bowles's ability to get his team to perform when they are prohibitive favorites to win a game.
if it were your call, would you bench fitzpatrick & put smith back in??
 

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The number one defining quality of a QB is decision making and intelligence....Physical attributes are a distant second

Without good decision making abilities, you can have all the physical ability in the world and turn out to be Vince Young, Jamarcus Russell, Browning Nagle, Jeff George or Geno Smith.

In a perfect world you get both... But does anyone think that Peyton Manning or Drew Brees Excel because of a cannon arm? Of course not.

Geno isn't that bright, this is demonstrated by his poor decisions both on and off the field. He is not a leader of men. They don't trust in him... This is obvious to anyone.
 
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