Unleash the Monsters
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Yea -- the article was top notch! Makes you feel good about what we are seeing on the field. Hard to believe....
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Yeah starting to look like they earned every penny woody paid them
Great thread -- I was hoping some of our more knowledgeable posters would comment on what they saw with Sheldon back.
I know we all said Williams "had" to be picked at #6 (except for a certain superhero) , but I'd like to think we had a bigger picture mentality than just "we'll figure it out somehow" . . .
I know we all said Williams "had" to be picked at #6 (except for a certain superhero) , but I'd like to think we had a bigger picture mentality than just "we'll figure it out somehow" . . .
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Meanwhile, that front only had one sack against the injury riddled Redskins and they will be facing one of the best teams in the NFL this weekend. The way you beat Brady is to hit him. The Jets DON'T do it. They need to play much better than they did last weekend. Much better than they EVER have. That's a fact.
We may have only sacked Cousins once, but did you see how many throws were made under duress? He was clearly rattled by the constant pressure, which to me causes more turnovers than actual sacks. JMO
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You may very well be right, at least when it comes to Kirk Cousins and the Redskins. However, that is NOT enough to beat Tom Brady. The Redskins are ancient history. Get over it. It's the Patsies that are next for this team. If you want to beat Brady, you MUST knock him off his spot. You HAVE to sack him early and often. The defense has NOT played up to that level at all this season.
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Agree
QB hits and hurries are often, in the long term, more effective then a sack. With a sack a QB usually sees it coming, can go turtle, and their isn't much impact. He takes the loss and moves on.
With a QB hit, the QB is frequently still in the throwing motion. Takes the hit full force. That is what really rattles QB's. The results are usually hurries, when a QB starts twitching. Throws the ball to soon, and into coverage. Often results in game changing picks.
Jets have been very effective so far this season doing that. In Brady's history, the way to rattle his cage, and get him off his game, is with vulnerable QB hits.
The Jets as currently constructed along the DL are a great matchup for Brady. With the interior pressure that we can generate with our DL, particularly against a banged-up Patriots OL we should be able to both get Brady off his spot and bang him around. We have done it in the past with lesser talents, but with this group I'm expecting a better outcome. One of the things I would like to see is Coples, with his length and inside rushing ability playing DT (along with 91,96 & 92) in a 4 man front. He has been playing out of position for too long, and this might be an interesting twist for Brady to deal with. Just some food for thought.
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Think perhaps Coples has hit the Kerly status. Getting reduced reps week after week. Does that mean it will continue again this week? No. it sounds like a good plan to try to me.
What I am expecting to see is Davis coming up the middle quite a bit as the OL struggles with the guys up front. And getting right in Brady's face. They used that quite a bit against Luck, and it was very effective.
We'll see
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Mostly against DB blitz's, where they come from the outside, and have a long way to run. With the pats OL, hopefully, struggling mightily against the Jets front, a lot of energy, and personnel will be used in holding them off.
Davis, and, or Harris should be able to get on him quickly. Up the middle blitz's also block vision lanes, and throwing lanes
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Beating Belichick and Brady: How to exploit the Patriots’ few flaws
By Mike Renner October 20 at 11:13 AM
So you plan on beating the Patriots. Good luck. Five straight teams have tried and none has come closer than a touchdown. That’s not to say they’ll finish 19-0 with a Super Bowl ring, but after analyzing their first five games, there are a lot of prerequisites to defeating the defending world champs.
Start with the challenge of bottling up the Patriots offense, because no team has yet succeeded this season. Their 3.55 points per drive are tops in the NFL by over a half a point and higher than even the 2007 Patriots by .18 points. The reason no one has been able to stop them is because they create so many matchup issues that require a complete defense to stop.
There are three major factors fueling that success: First and foremost is the quick passing game. If you can’t stop Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola from creating or finding space right at the snap of the ball it’s going to be a long day. Eighty-two percent of Brady’s completions this year have come in under 2.6 seconds, the second highest percentage in the NFL.
You’ll never completely shut him down, but there are a few ways to limit Brady’s effectiveness. The quickest way is simply by having pass-rushers that can get home that quickly. The Patriots’ pass protection is easily their biggest weakness on offense and it will only be exacerbated by the loss of left tackle Nate Solder for the season. Even with the quickest time to throw in the NFL, the offensive line has surrendered pressure on 24 percent of Brady’s dropbacks, just under the league average of 27 percent. So yes, you read that correctly, even the Patriots’ biggest offensive weakness is better than average.
In recent weeks we’ve seen teams often decide to drop eight men into coverage and only rush three linemen. The Cowboys in particular had a lot of success with this in the first half when their pass-rush got home, but when it doesn’t you can leave yourself susceptible down the field. While Brady only has 25 completions after 2.6 seconds, his passer rating on those throws is a league leading 148.0. The best way to deal with this would be to play press-man coverage and stall the undersized receivers’ releases at the line of scrimmage, but this is obviously easier said than done. Pick routes and the Rob Gronkowski problem come to mind, but it’s more manageable than Brady slicing up a soft zone.
The second dilemma the Patriots present is their use of multiple tight end packages. They’ve had at least two tight ends on the field for 190 of their 357 offensive snaps through Week 6 and at least three tight ends on the field for 54 snaps. It also gets screwy when you decide how to treat Michael Williams, the former Lions offensive tackle who played tight end at Alabama. On 131 snaps this season Williams has run-blocked on 79, pass-blocked on 22, and run 30 pass routes. At 6-foot-6, 306 pounds, do you treat him like a tight end even though he can block like a tackle or do you treat him like a tackle even though he can still move and catch? It’s a challenge, but not as big as the third key element to New England’s offensive success: Rob Gronkowski.
I mentioned earlier that press-man is one way of slowing down the Patriots offense, but that leaves either a safety or a linebacker one-on-one with Gronk. You can live with Gronk beating you in the open field because while he dominates the intermediate range, he doesn’t quite have the speed to be a serious deep threat (only seven catches 20+ yards downfield since the start of 2014). Where you can’t live with him beating you is in the redzone. You better have a competent cover safety, a big corner, an athletic linebacker, or some plan of attack because they will split him wide on his own at the goal line. If you’re not prepared, it’s an easy six points when he gets man-to-man coverage.
Against the Patriots’ defense the blueprint is a little murkier because of how drastically New England can change game to game. If Belichick has proven one thing over the years, it’s that there is no one scheme that is superior to all others. From week to week New England will alternate regularly between 3-4 and 4-3 fronts, zone and man schemes, and blitz-heavy and passive philosophies. It’s all predicated on taking away what the offense does best.
The most effective way to combat this is to be a balanced offense and exploit where the Patriots are least talented — up front. The defensive line has easily been their biggest weakness on the season as they’ve graded out below average in run defense and pass-rushing. Linebackers Jamie Collins and Don’t’a Hightower are going to clean up a lot of their messes, but their job has been extremely difficult this year with weak performances in front of them. To beat the Patriots, you have to run the ball and a strong offensive line will go a long way in this matchup. Their secondary has been much better than once thought with the breakout season from Malcolm Butler, but unless you have a quarterback that can match Brady throw for throw, you don’t want to get into a shootout.
Add it all up and here’s the checklist for teams hoping to challenge the Patriots:
• You need a lockdown secondary with a couple elite pass rushers
• Someone who can cover Gronk
• A mistake-free quarterback
• A top-five ground game
This weekend’s game with the Jets will be a great litmus test on which matchups matter most, as New York has a number of the components we discussed (especially the ability to play man coverage in the secondary, thanks to Darrelle Revis), but certainly not all.
This isn’t the 2007 Patriots by any means, but the expected dropoff in talent from the Super Bowl-winning team a year ago seems non-existent at this point. The Pats aren’t perfect, but there aren’t many weaknesses to exploit … and there aren’t many teams capable of exploiting them.
Mike Renner is a writer for Pro Football Focus and a contributor to The Washington Post’s NFL coverage.
washingtonpost.com
© 1996-2015 The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-brady-how-to-exploit-the-patriots-few-flaws/
By Mike Renner October 20 at 11:13 AM
So you plan on beating the Patriots. Good luck. Five straight teams have tried and none has come closer than a touchdown. That’s not to say they’ll finish 19-0 with a Super Bowl ring, but after analyzing their first five games, there are a lot of prerequisites to defeating the defending world champs.
Start with the challenge of bottling up the Patriots offense, because no team has yet succeeded this season. Their 3.55 points per drive are tops in the NFL by over a half a point and higher than even the 2007 Patriots by .18 points. The reason no one has been able to stop them is because they create so many matchup issues that require a complete defense to stop.
There are three major factors fueling that success: First and foremost is the quick passing game. If you can’t stop Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola from creating or finding space right at the snap of the ball it’s going to be a long day. Eighty-two percent of Brady’s completions this year have come in under 2.6 seconds, the second highest percentage in the NFL.
You’ll never completely shut him down, but there are a few ways to limit Brady’s effectiveness. The quickest way is simply by having pass-rushers that can get home that quickly. The Patriots’ pass protection is easily their biggest weakness on offense and it will only be exacerbated by the loss of left tackle Nate Solder for the season. Even with the quickest time to throw in the NFL, the offensive line has surrendered pressure on 24 percent of Brady’s dropbacks, just under the league average of 27 percent. So yes, you read that correctly, even the Patriots’ biggest offensive weakness is better than average.
In recent weeks we’ve seen teams often decide to drop eight men into coverage and only rush three linemen. The Cowboys in particular had a lot of success with this in the first half when their pass-rush got home, but when it doesn’t you can leave yourself susceptible down the field. While Brady only has 25 completions after 2.6 seconds, his passer rating on those throws is a league leading 148.0. The best way to deal with this would be to play press-man coverage and stall the undersized receivers’ releases at the line of scrimmage, but this is obviously easier said than done. Pick routes and the Rob Gronkowski problem come to mind, but it’s more manageable than Brady slicing up a soft zone.
The second dilemma the Patriots present is their use of multiple tight end packages. They’ve had at least two tight ends on the field for 190 of their 357 offensive snaps through Week 6 and at least three tight ends on the field for 54 snaps. It also gets screwy when you decide how to treat Michael Williams, the former Lions offensive tackle who played tight end at Alabama. On 131 snaps this season Williams has run-blocked on 79, pass-blocked on 22, and run 30 pass routes. At 6-foot-6, 306 pounds, do you treat him like a tight end even though he can block like a tackle or do you treat him like a tackle even though he can still move and catch? It’s a challenge, but not as big as the third key element to New England’s offensive success: Rob Gronkowski.
I mentioned earlier that press-man is one way of slowing down the Patriots offense, but that leaves either a safety or a linebacker one-on-one with Gronk. You can live with Gronk beating you in the open field because while he dominates the intermediate range, he doesn’t quite have the speed to be a serious deep threat (only seven catches 20+ yards downfield since the start of 2014). Where you can’t live with him beating you is in the redzone. You better have a competent cover safety, a big corner, an athletic linebacker, or some plan of attack because they will split him wide on his own at the goal line. If you’re not prepared, it’s an easy six points when he gets man-to-man coverage.
Against the Patriots’ defense the blueprint is a little murkier because of how drastically New England can change game to game. If Belichick has proven one thing over the years, it’s that there is no one scheme that is superior to all others. From week to week New England will alternate regularly between 3-4 and 4-3 fronts, zone and man schemes, and blitz-heavy and passive philosophies. It’s all predicated on taking away what the offense does best.
The most effective way to combat this is to be a balanced offense and exploit where the Patriots are least talented — up front. The defensive line has easily been their biggest weakness on the season as they’ve graded out below average in run defense and pass-rushing. Linebackers Jamie Collins and Don’t’a Hightower are going to clean up a lot of their messes, but their job has been extremely difficult this year with weak performances in front of them. To beat the Patriots, you have to run the ball and a strong offensive line will go a long way in this matchup. Their secondary has been much better than once thought with the breakout season from Malcolm Butler, but unless you have a quarterback that can match Brady throw for throw, you don’t want to get into a shootout.
Add it all up and here’s the checklist for teams hoping to challenge the Patriots:
• You need a lockdown secondary with a couple elite pass rushers
• Someone who can cover Gronk
• A mistake-free quarterback
• A top-five ground game
This weekend’s game with the Jets will be a great litmus test on which matchups matter most, as New York has a number of the components we discussed (especially the ability to play man coverage in the secondary, thanks to Darrelle Revis), but certainly not all.
This isn’t the 2007 Patriots by any means, but the expected dropoff in talent from the Super Bowl-winning team a year ago seems non-existent at this point. The Pats aren’t perfect, but there aren’t many weaknesses to exploit … and there aren’t many teams capable of exploiting them.
Mike Renner is a writer for Pro Football Focus and a contributor to The Washington Post’s NFL coverage.
washingtonpost.com
© 1996-2015 The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-brady-how-to-exploit-the-patriots-few-flaws/
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• You need a lockdown secondary with a couple elite pass rushers (Don't know if they are elite pass rushers, but getting a lot of hits. ) CHECK
• Someone who can cover Gronk (This is a problem but over comeable)
• A mistake-free quarterback (Not mistake free, but extremely smart. Most of his mistakes don't kill the team)
• A top-five ground game (Check)
Good article, and I like the Jets chances.
• Someone who can cover Gronk (This is a problem but over comeable)
• A mistake-free quarterback (Not mistake free, but extremely smart. Most of his mistakes don't kill the team)
• A top-five ground game (Check)
Good article, and I like the Jets chances.
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He didn't send many blitz's last week. Mostly play a 4-3 to stop the run.
Against the Fish he sent DB's a jaw dropping 22 times. Will be interesting to see what he dials up this time.
Don't think you want to try that on Brady. As I mentioned eariler, IMO the best bet is to send Davis up the middle to get in Brady's face. JMO
Maybe that is because of the scheme to stop the run which was what TB stated ... but why let facts get in the way of your jibberish. The Jets are #1 D .. 4-1 dude suggest you post else where since you only seem to post negative things about this team....