You don't have to have a GM in place before the HC. Pete Carroll was hired first and that has worked out really well. If the coach you want is available you get him.
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Much different situation. Carroll had won a handful of National Championships, he was actually the GM boss.
What has Marrone actually done?
I'm failing to see what the correlation between college success and NFL has to do with this. Carroll was a bad NFL coach the first time around.
would that suck worse for us or NE??
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What do you think Saban would command if he decided to come back to the NFL? When Carroll decided to come back he was the most sought after HC candidates.
He wrote his own ticket
Saban would fail again.
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i know it would suck for me. But would be typical Jets
Marrone has improved a terrible Buffalo organization. I still want Quinn, but Marrone would be a good fall back. All the good coordinators will be unavailable or distracted for awhile.
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Hope so. I hate the guy. But guaranteed teams would be lining up to get him signed
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I want both the Seattle guys. GM and HC. i have no problem interviewing the guy and seeing how things play out. I just don't want Woody to get all in a lather and sign the guy prematurely
I agree, but my fear is we wait until after Seattle is done and we lose our guy. Marrone could be a good coach.
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Or maybe not. Don't forget Rex went to 2 AFC Championship games his first 2 years here. If this was Harbaugh maybe I would be concerned about losing him.
He did a decent job in Buffalo, but here's a guy complaining about media criticism in Buffalo, (ya gotta be kidding me) and is angry because he doesn't want any one between him and the owner.
Casserley likes him, if Casserley is going to be GM, hire him. If not, this isn't the end of the world
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Well Eric Mangini had a better record with the Jets his first three years. He's available. Actually scheduled for an interview with the Raiders.
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Difference is Marrone is a good football coach and Mangini is a twice failed robotWell Eric Mangini had a better record with the Jets his first three years. He's available. Actually scheduled for an interview with the Raiders.
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Well dang.....
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Guess its the business.....
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How quickly things can change just had a team meeting Monday and wasn't given a heads up, but guess that's how this business works
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Wow. That's crazy
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Lost all respect!! Completely pissed off, but not gonna let it ruin my New Years #Deuces #CantWait
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How quickly things can change just had a team meeting Monday and wasn't given a heads up, but guess that's how this business works
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Wow. That's crazy
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Lost all respect!! Completely pissed off, but not gonna let it ruin my New Years #Deuces #CantWait
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Have to respectfully disagree E
Watch his unlit up offense completely demolish the vaunted defense of WRECKS the big talking circus clown TWICE this season.
Also watched him show the guts to remove Manuel and put Orton while our geniuses Ryan and Mahty kept running worthless G-No out there and blubbering about their faith in him. They briefly tried Vick, even got a win but when he slowed down, right back to the Bust from WVU. Matt Simms? Chuckles the HC laughed at that idea on the Kay show.
Marrone took a team with meh Kyle Orton to 8-8 including a win on a Sunday with no practices and having to shlep to Detroit for a home game.
Plus he probably brings us one or more of Mueller, Maine or Magagan as our GM as part of the package
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Rich Cimini -
The New York Jets have departed on a big journey without a road map.
They're conducting concurrent searches for a head coach and a general manager, not knowing the exact power structure of the organization. Ideally, they'd like to hire the GM first, followed by the coach -- the traditional approach -- but owner Woody Johnson said he's willing to adjust on the fly.
In other words, he's not opposed to hiring the coach and letting him have input into the GM decision. The Kansas City Chiefs did it two years ago with Andy Reid. The Seattle Seahawks are Exhibit A, as they hired Pete Carroll shortly before GM John Schneider -- and they have a Lombardi Trophy sitting in the lobby of their facility.
Coaching Carousel
Follow the league's head-coaching vacancies as positions become open and as they're filled. Chart
But here's the thing: Reid and Carroll were top head-coaching candidates, proven winners with enough street cred to justify the star treatment. None of the known names on the Jets' wish list fall into that category, yet Johnson has left open the possibility of hiring a coach first if he falls in love with a candidate and is worried about losing him to another team.
Doug Marrone could be that guy. The former Buffalo Bills coach, who exercised a unique opt-out clause in his contract Wednesday, is very much on the Jets' radar. And the interest is mutual. Marrone is a New York guy, a former Jets assistant, and you have to think he wouldn't leave one job unless he knew another was waiting for him -- even though he's still due to make $4 million from the Bills in 2015. He's a solid coach, but does he warrant the Carroll/Reid treatment with a 15-17 career record? One league source said he wouldn't be surprised if Johnson offered Marrone more control over personnel than a typical coach.
It's a slippery slope because you're empowering the coach, essentially setting up a structure in which the coach and GM report directly to the owner. It could lead to trouble. The Jets just extricated themselves from a situation in which the coach and GM, Rex Ryan and John Idzik, had conflicting agendas and it led to a disconnect. Ryan wanted Darrelle Revis, Idzik didn't. Ryan wanted DeSean Jackson, Idzik didn't. And so on.
On Monday, Johnson talked about the importance of the coach and GM working in lockstep. Hiring the coach before the GM would set up an unconventional dynamic. Yes, it works for the Seahawks, but they're an aberration. Carroll and Schneider have a rare partnership.
Look, it's too soon to get fired up and rip the Jets for their approach -- the process has barely begun -- but it'll be interesting to monitor. Ultimately, it'll come down to finding two good men with the ability to coexist. In 2013, Johnson didn't exactly have an eHarmony moment when he paired Idzik and Ryan together.
One longtime personnel executive believes the Jets could be playing a dangerous game.
"You might as well take a gun, aim at your foot and shoot twice," said the executive, commenting on the coach-before-the-GM scenario. "That would be absolutely stupid. As soon as you hire a coach, you have to understand that the GM would no longer be a GM. He'd be an MG. How do you have checks and balances? It seems to me that Woody is making this up as he goes along."
It should be noted that Johnson did this once before, in 2001, when he hired the Terry Bradway-Herm Edwards tandem. Technically, Bradway was first, but it was a package deal. Johnson was so smitten with Edwards that he hired Bradway, in large part, because he was pro-Herm, according to a source.
The Edwards-Bradway team didn't last for the long haul, but it made the playoffs in three of its first four seasons. Johnson would sign up for that in a New York minute.
I also think the Giants are set up where both the GM and HC report to ownership. As long as the right pairing is hired, I don't think it matters.
The New York Jets have departed on a big journey without a road map.
They're conducting concurrent searches for a head coach and a general manager, not knowing the exact power structure of the organization. Ideally, they'd like to hire the GM first, followed by the coach -- the traditional approach -- but owner Woody Johnson said he's willing to adjust on the fly.
In other words, he's not opposed to hiring the coach and letting him have input into the GM decision. The Kansas City Chiefs did it two years ago with Andy Reid. The Seattle Seahawks are Exhibit A, as they hired Pete Carroll shortly before GM John Schneider -- and they have a Lombardi Trophy sitting in the lobby of their facility.
Coaching Carousel
Follow the league's head-coaching vacancies as positions become open and as they're filled. Chart
But here's the thing: Reid and Carroll were top head-coaching candidates, proven winners with enough street cred to justify the star treatment. None of the known names on the Jets' wish list fall into that category, yet Johnson has left open the possibility of hiring a coach first if he falls in love with a candidate and is worried about losing him to another team.
Doug Marrone could be that guy. The former Buffalo Bills coach, who exercised a unique opt-out clause in his contract Wednesday, is very much on the Jets' radar. And the interest is mutual. Marrone is a New York guy, a former Jets assistant, and you have to think he wouldn't leave one job unless he knew another was waiting for him -- even though he's still due to make $4 million from the Bills in 2015. He's a solid coach, but does he warrant the Carroll/Reid treatment with a 15-17 career record? One league source said he wouldn't be surprised if Johnson offered Marrone more control over personnel than a typical coach.
It's a slippery slope because you're empowering the coach, essentially setting up a structure in which the coach and GM report directly to the owner. It could lead to trouble. The Jets just extricated themselves from a situation in which the coach and GM, Rex Ryan and John Idzik, had conflicting agendas and it led to a disconnect. Ryan wanted Darrelle Revis, Idzik didn't. Ryan wanted DeSean Jackson, Idzik didn't. And so on.
On Monday, Johnson talked about the importance of the coach and GM working in lockstep. Hiring the coach before the GM would set up an unconventional dynamic. Yes, it works for the Seahawks, but they're an aberration. Carroll and Schneider have a rare partnership.
Look, it's too soon to get fired up and rip the Jets for their approach -- the process has barely begun -- but it'll be interesting to monitor. Ultimately, it'll come down to finding two good men with the ability to coexist. In 2013, Johnson didn't exactly have an eHarmony moment when he paired Idzik and Ryan together.
One longtime personnel executive believes the Jets could be playing a dangerous game.
"You might as well take a gun, aim at your foot and shoot twice," said the executive, commenting on the coach-before-the-GM scenario. "That would be absolutely stupid. As soon as you hire a coach, you have to understand that the GM would no longer be a GM. He'd be an MG. How do you have checks and balances? It seems to me that Woody is making this up as he goes along."
It should be noted that Johnson did this once before, in 2001, when he hired the Terry Bradway-Herm Edwards tandem. Technically, Bradway was first, but it was a package deal. Johnson was so smitten with Edwards that he hired Bradway, in large part, because he was pro-Herm, according to a source.
The Edwards-Bradway team didn't last for the long haul, but it made the playoffs in three of its first four seasons. Johnson would sign up for that in a New York minute.
I also think the Giants are set up where both the GM and HC report to ownership. As long as the right pairing is hired, I don't think it matters.