Dont'a Hightower: Pats and Jets

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I think you are wrong on every point... except winning

1. Money will always be a deciding factor, if it's enough
2. NY is always the biggest attraction - High profile players make and estimate of 25-50% of their salary in types of endorsement deals only afforded by NY
3. Winning only enhances everything else
4. We are no where near the Browns level.

With that said I rather build through the Draft and not be concerned with the FA market, yet!

They don't make as much in endorsements when the team sucks and the Jets suck. NY has a state income tax which plays a role. It would be nice to get one high profile player and then maybe others would follow, but the Jets probably didn't offer him enough to overcome all the shortcomings of the organization. I agree he would be a waste of money because he will be at end of contract by the time the Jets are in the hunt for 8-8.

 

[SackExchange]

They don't make as much in endorsements when the team sucks and the Jets suck. NY has a state income tax which plays a role. It would be nice to get one high profile player and then maybe others would follow, but the Jets probably didn't offer him enough to overcome all the shortcomings of the organization. I agree he would be a waste of money because he will be at end of contract by the time the Jets are in the hunt for 8-8.

The Jets have gone that high profile FA route before, and it's gotten them good, but seldom, if ever, great,

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

The Jets have gone that high profile FA route before, and it's gotten them good, but seldom, if ever, great,

Definitely. FA should only be for teams that are close. Jets just need young studs that can grow together for a few years and then go after FA's when the dark cloud has been lifted.

 

[lounap23]

Yes I think winning will Cure a lot but a comparison to the Browns is pretty off base

Browns record since 2008: 38-106
Jets Record since 2008: 70-74

So we are quite a bit better over the last decade.. Now with that said overall is it better to always suck like the browns or be a roller coaster like the Jets...

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Yes I think winning will Cure a lot but a comparison to the Browns is pretty off base

Browns record since 2008: 38-106
Jets Record since 2008: 70-74

So we are quite a bit better over the last decade.. Now with that said overall is it better to always suck like the browns or be a roller coaster like the Jets...

We are talking about the state of the two franchises right now. The Browns are in way better position than Jets.

 

[NCgreen12]

We are talking about the state of the two franchises right now. The Browns are in way better position than Jets.

I agree with that but the first to a franchise QB easily wins that race. Browns have a lot more picks to make that happen though.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

The Browns have a lot of high draft picks. But they haven't been very good in the drafting department. Let's see what they do with those picks before we assume they're on the right track.

The Jets have had much more success (W/L, playoff appearances) in the last 15 years than CLE. Just because the Jets are resetting doesn't mean they deserve to be grouped with the traditional ineptitude of the Browns. Calling the Jets "the new Browns" is inaccurate.

 

[lounap23]

We are talking about the state of the two franchises right now. The Browns are in way better position than Jets.

IDk man I see your point and don't disagree with you completely. The Browns have draft picks but I think talent on the roster overall swings our way... Coaching staff is a ? for both of us as is Front Office.... I guess I'll agree with NCgreen12's last comment... Get the franchise QB and you will be the team on the upswing and they have more chances then us but it only takes 1 pick

 

[SackExchange]

Yes I think winning will Cure a lot but a comparison to the Browns is pretty off base

Browns record since 2008: 38-106
Jets Record since 2008: 70-74

So we are quite a bit better over the last decade.. Now with that said overall is it better to always suck like the browns or be a roller coaster like the Jets...

The ideal is to bottom out, and then rise to the top. It's easier to rise to the top from the bottom than being stuck in the middle.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

I think many posters are being very binary. It's always a good idea to sign a young player on the ascend provided he's not a cap buster. He's only 27 and on the ascent. He would be a big improvement over David Harris and would help the three young LB.

I also find it interesting that many posters feel he would take less to play for the Pats. I think that's true. But think about having a guy on our team who would take a few million less to play for a winner. Wow, how great would that be! And in all likelihood he would come to team meetings and walkthroughs! If only we had guys like that on our team. Are you listening Wilkerson?

 

[SackExchange]

I think many posters are being very binary. It's always a good idea to sign a young player on the ascend provided he's not a cap buster. He's only 27 and on the ascent. He would be a big improvement over David Harris and would help the three young LB.

I also find it interesting that many posters feel he would take less to play for the Pats. I think that's true. But think about having a guy on our team who would take a few million less to play for a winner. Wow, how great would that be! And in all likelihood he would come to team meetings and walkthroughs! If only we had guys like that on our team. Are you listening Wilkerson?

Now this I can understand. Using cap room on younger UFAs makes sense, including guys like Hightower.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

He ain't coming to the Jets.


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[SackExchange]

He ain't coming to the Jets.


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Making the Pats pay more isn't the worst thing in the world, then.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Making the Pats pay more isn't the worst thing in the world, then.

Or he could be taking less to play with Pats.


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[SackExchange]

Or he could be taking less to play with Pats.


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People talk about that, but honestly, it doesn't happen that often. The NFLPA exerts a lot of pressure. And while you are likely to win a lot in New England, you're treated far different than you are in any of the other 31 organizations. You have to know going in that they do not care about you as a person, that you are a commodity, to be dumped the second you are less useful than what you earn.

It's a great business model and an awful human model. And guys who have lived it, like he has, knows what it's all about. So why take less money to be treated so terribly, especially if you already have a ring?

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

People talk about that, but honestly, it doesn't happen that often. The NFLPA exerts a lot of pressure. And while you are likely to win a lot in New England, you're treated far different than you are in any of the other 31 organizations. You have to know going in that they do not care about you as a person, that you are a commodity, to be dumped the second you are less useful than what you earn.

It's a great business model and an awful human model. And guys who have lived it, like he has, knows what it's all about. So why take less money to be treated so terribly, especially if you already have a ring?

Where to start...? Brady's cap number this year is $14mm. Nearly every starting QB in the league (except rookie contracts) are making more. Now before you all start with how rich he is, please realize EVERY QB in the league makes more money than they will ever need. They're ALL rich to varying degrees. Stephen Gilmore's cap hits are $8.6mm and $12.6mm in the next two years and can be cut with only a $2mm hit in 2019. It's hard to imagine that he couldn't get more from other teams including the Jets. How much did Revis make in the last two years? Gronkowski will be the fifth highest paid TE in the league this year. Now before anyone goes apoplectic, I am not a secret Pats fan. I HATE the Pats. But I've come to hate players on any team (especially mine) who sign professional contracts and don't act professionally even more.

The NFL is a business and every team is run as a business. If any player doesn't realize that they should fire their agents (and accountants) and step in to the real world.

 

[NCgreen12]

Not sure the Pats are any different than any other team with respect to treating the players on the team as a business asset. Perhaps their smarter though getting rid of players before their prime runs out or before they start asking for big bucks. Remember they can do all this because of their success and because they have Brady. Winning a Superbowl or five gives you a lot of leverage. Not appearing in one in almost 50 years strips you of leverage. The difference can't be any more stark.

 

[SackExchange]

Where to start...? Brady's cap number this year is $14mm. Nearly every starting QB in the league (except rookie contracts) are making more. Now before you all start with how rich he is, please realize EVERY QB in the league makes more money than they will ever need. They're ALL rich to varying degrees. Stephen Gilmore's cap hits are $8.6mm and $12.6mm in the next two years and can be cut with only a $2mm hit in 2019. It's hard to imagine that he couldn't get more from other teams including the Jets. How much did Revis make in the last two years? Gronkowski will be the fifth highest paid TE in the league this year. Now before anyone goes apoplectic, I am not a secret Pats fan. I HATE the Pats. But I've come to hate players on any team (especially mine) who sign professional contracts and don't act professionally even more.

The NFL is a business and every team is run as a business. If any player doesn't realize that they should fire their agents (and accountants) and step in to the real world.

The Brady situation is different because he has continually restructured his deals, over and over again, to open up cap room. At some point, the Pats are going to have to pay for that, but it will be after he (and probably Belichick) are gone. He's not taking less money. He's just restructured over and over again.

And if you think that a bunch of football players are saying, "Well, I have enough money. I will take several million less because the Pats are so respected and these other teams aren't," that's just ridiculous.

 

[SackExchange]

Not sure the Pats are any different than any other team with respect to treating the players on the team as a business asset. Perhaps their smarter though getting rid of players before their prime runs out or before they start asking for big bucks. Remember they can do all this because of their success and because they have Brady. Winning a Superbowl or five gives you a lot of leverage. Not appearing in one in almost 50 years strips you of leverage. The difference can't be any more stark.

I'd say they are. They have zero loyalty to anyone but winning. They'd cut Brady in a nanosecond if it helped the team just a little bit. No loyalty, no sentimentality.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

The Brady situation is different because he has continually restructured his deals, over and over again, to open up cap room. At some point, the Pats are going to have to pay for that, but it will be after he (and probably Belichick) are gone. He's not taking less money. He's just restructured over and over again.

And if you think that a bunch of football players are saying, "Well, I have enough money. I will take several million less because the Pats are so respected and these other teams aren't," that's just ridiculous.

That's just not the case. Brady will have higher cap numbers in '18 and '19. After that he can be cut. It seems the only guys taking less are Pats because they want to win.