Mel Kiper Mock Draft - Hs Jets taking OJ Howard

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[h=2]1. Cleveland Browns[/h]
Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M | Watch highlights

Garrett to the Browns has been my pick in the other two mocks, and I'm not changing it. His phenomenal combine performance -- a 4.64 40-yard dash, 41-inch vertical and 10-foot-8 broad jump, all at 6-foot-4, 272 pounds -- locked in his status as the best prospect in this class. Cleveland was 30th in the NFL in sacks last season (26), and Garrett is a brilliant, natural pass-rusher who had 32.5 sacks in three seasons for the Aggies. Don't overthink this pick, Browns; take the top overall prospect.



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[h=2]2. San Francisco 49ers[/h]
Solomon Thomas, DL, Stanford | Watch highlights

After the 49ers signed veterans Brian Hoyer and Matt Barkley in free agency, I'm moving away from North Carolina signal-caller Mitch Trubisky here. The urgency for the 49ers to pick a QB isn't as high. They could target a developmental prospect in the second or third round (Patrick Mahomes, maybe?) and let him have a redshirt year in 2017. The reality is that San Francisco has many needs on both sides of the ball. Thomas (6-3, 273) is a different kind of player than the D-linemen the 49ers have taken in the first round the past two years (DeForest Buckner and Arik Armstead); he'll get after the quarterback from Day 1.

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[h=2]3. Chicago Bears[/h]
Jamal Adams, S, LSU | Watch highlights

This might be a high pick for the traditional version of a safety, but Adams is more than that. He's a true hybrid who never has to come off the field, because he can run and cover but also is a beast as an in-the-box defender. His 4.56 40 at the combine was right in line with what I expected. The Bears targeted the secondary in free agency, signing cornerbacks Prince Amukamara and Marcus Cooper and safety Quintin Demps, and the addition of Adams (6-0, 214) would further boost their defensive backfield.

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[h=2]4. Jacksonville Jaguars[/h]
Jonathan Allen, DL, Alabama | Watch highlights

Jacksonville has put a lot of capital into improving its defensive line -- a No. 3 overall pick on Dante Fowler Jr., (2015) and big-money free-agent contracts to Malik Jackson (2016) and Calais Campbell (2017) -- but Allen is almost too good to pass up at No. 4. In this scenario, Allen (6-3, 286) would probably slot in at tackle next to Jackson, but he could kick outside, too. He's versatile enough to play in a 4-3 or 3-4 defense and rush the passer from the inside or at end. He totaled 22.5 sacks over the past two seasons in Alabama.

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[h=2]5. Tennessee Titans (from Rams)[/h]
Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State | Watch highlights

In Lattimore, the Titans would get the top cornerback in the draft with the first of their two picks in the top 18. Yes, they gave former Patriots corner Logan Ryan $16 million guaranteed in free agency, but they need bodies. Plus, long-time starter Jason McCourty turns 30 in August and is a free agent in 2018, so Tennessee could move on with a ready-made replacement. Lattimore (6-0, 193) is an athletic phenom who doesn't have a ton of experience -- he ran a 4.36 40 and had a 38.5-inch vertical at the combine, but he started just one season for the Buckeyes.

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[h=2]6. New York Jets[/h]
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama | Watch highlights

If the Jets are really going with Josh McCown, Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg at quarterback, they're going to need someone to catch passes to try to score some points. At 6-6, 251 pounds, Howard is my top-ranked pass-catcher, even though he wasn't prolific for the Crimson Tide, with just seven touchdowns in his career. He has all of the athletic attributes of a top-tier player, though, and he was one of the most impressive prospects at the combine. There is precedence for a tight end going this high, too -- Vernon Davis (49ers in 2006) and Kellen Winslow Jr. (Browns in 2004) both went No. 6 overall.

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[h=2]7. Los Angeles Chargers[/h]
Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State | Watch highlights

If Jahleel Addae is the Chargers' in-the-box safety, Hooker (6-1, 206) could be their center fielder. He has incredible range, but like Lattimore, he was a first-year starter for the Buckeyes in 2016. One thing that makes Hooker particularly interesting here is that Los Angeles already has one of the top pass-rushers in the NFL in fellow Buckeyes alum Joey Bosa. Hooker is the type of player who can help a great pass rush produce points going the other way on errant throws.

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[h=2]8. Carolina Panthers[/h]
Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU | Watch highlights

Jonathan Stewart is 30. Fozzy Whittaker is a part-time back at best. Cameron Artis-Payne hasn't shown much in two seasons. Why not take the draft's best back and put him in the backfield with Cam Newton? He's a special athlete with an incredible combination of size (6-0, 240), speed and power. Fournette can produce from Day 1 in the NFL, and that Carolina offense would become even more scary.

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[h=2]9. Cincinnati Bengals[/h]
Takkarist McKinley, OLB, UCLA | Watch highlights

The addition of free-agent middle linebacker Kevin Minter makes me think the Bengals won't take Reuben Foster, whom I had going to Cincinnati in Mock Draft 2.0. Pass-rusher is still in play, though, and McKinley is one of the most explosive in this class. At 6-2, 250, he's not huge, but he is suited to play end in today's NFL. Put McKinley in the rotation with Carlos Dunlap, Michael Johnson and Will Clarke, and the Bengals have a stellar foursome.

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[h=2]10. Buffalo Bills[/h]
Mike Williams, WR, Clemson | Watch highlights

After losing Robert Woods to the Rams in free agency, the Bills have a clear need at receiver. And if Williams falls to No. 10, Buffalo would be getting a guy with a much higher ceiling than Woods, not to mention another Clemson wideout to go alongside Sammy Watkins. Williams' pro day moved him back to being my top-ranked receiver. His 40-yard dash was the question, and he ran right around 4.50, which is what he needed. Production wasn't the issue -- Williams (6-4, 218) had 98 catches for 1,361 yards and 11 touchdowns. Quarterback could still be in play here, too, with the Bills committing to Tyrod Taylor with limited guaranteed money.

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[h=2]11. New Orleans Saints[/h]
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple | Watch highlights

No prospect has risen as much during the pre-draft process as Reddick has. He was fantastic at the Senior Bowl, and he was one of the MVPs of the combine, with a 4.52 40, 36.5-inch vertical and 11-foot-1 broad jump. Reddick's value is in his versatility -- he could play inside or outside in a 4-3 or 3-4, with his hand in the dirt or playing on his feet in space. The Saints have made an effort to improve their 31st-ranked defense in free agency, re-signing Nick Fairley and bringing in A.J. Klein, Manti Te'o and Alex Okafor, and Reddick (6-1, 237) would probably play outside in New Orleans' 4-3.

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[h=2]12. Cleveland Browns (from Eagles)[/h]
Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina

This might be the ideal situation for the Browns, getting the top overall prospect at No. 1 (Garrett) and the top quarterback at No. 12. This is assuming they don't use draft capital to trade for Patriots backup Jimmy Garoppolo, who could still be available if the price is right. Trubisky (6-2, 222), who went to high school in Northeast Ohio and is a Cleveland sports fan, completed 68.2 percent of his passes and had 30 touchdown passes and six interceptions in his first season as a starter. The potential is there, but he's green. Trubisky could compete with Cody Kessler and give the Browns some hope for the future.

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[h=2]13. Arizona Cardinals[/h]
Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson

Arizona needs a quarterback of the future, and this is a sneaky spot to grab one -- if he's still around. Carson Palmer, 37, showed his age last season, and backup Drew Stanton hasn't proved he's a starting-caliber QB. So now Bruce Arians, who's a brilliant offensive mind, would get Palmer's heir apparent in Watson, who flashes top-five-pick talent at times but was inconsistent in 2016. At 6-2, 221, Watson has the arm strength, toughness and athleticism to play for a long time. He could back up Palmer in the short term while he adjusts gradually to the NFL. Keep an eye on the secondary here, too; the Cardinals lost their two starting safeties plus a corner in free agency.

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[h=2]14. Philadelphia Eagles (from Vikings)[/h]
Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State

The Eagles are in a good spot to get their pick of one of the best cornerbacks in a deep class. Several will be on the board at No. 14 with a potential run on pass-rushers at the top of the first round. Conley, the third member of the Ohio State secondary to be picked so far, is rising after the combine, where he ran a 4.44 40 with a 37.5-inch vertical at 6-0, 195. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz needs a new No. 1 corner, and this is a great fit.

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[h=2]15. Indianapolis Colts[/h]
Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama | Watch highlights

Let's be clear here: I don't have Foster, a top-five talent, dropping because of his bizarre combine ejection. He's dropping here because not many teams above the Colts at No. 15 need a true inside linebacker. The Bengals and Saints, for instance, have both signed inside linebackers in free agency. Whichever team takes Foster, though, is getting a big-time, sideline-to-sideline defender with All-Pro potential. Indianapolis has done a solid job of upgrading its roster this offseason, and picking Foster (6-0, 229) is another step toward defensive respectability.

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[h=2]16. Baltimore Ravens[/h]
Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin

This is a strange year for offensive tackles -- there are no top-five-type talents in this class. This is about the range where I expect the first tackle to go. Ramczyk, Cam Robinson and Garett Bolles are all on the board, but I'm going with Ramczyk, who's a better prospect at right tackle. Baltimore has Ronnie Stanley, the No. 6 overall pick in 2016, on the left side, and Ramczyk (6-6, 310) would upgrade the right side over former undrafted free agent James Hurst.

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[h=2]17. Washington Redskins[/h]
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford | Watch highlights

Like I mentioned in Mock Draft 2.0: At what point should a team forget about what's conventional and just take the best football player? That's the value in McCaffrey here. The Redskins like Rob Kelley, but McCaffrey brings a different element to the offense as a runner and receiver, and he can be a return man, too. McCaffrey's 4.48 40 and 37.5-inch vertical at the combine eliminated any doubts about his athleticism.

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[h=2]18. Tennessee Titans[/h]
John Ross, WR, Washington | Watch highlights

Don't you think Marcus Mariota would be elated with this pick? He'd get a true field-stretcher in Ross, whose 4.22 40 broke the combine record. That's something the Titans' offense sorely lacks. Ross (5-11, 188) produces, too -- he had 81 catches for 1,150 yards and 17 touchdowns last season. Tennessee has drafted a good, young core on offense, and it could also target a cornerback or linebacker here and with the No. 5 overall pick.

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[h=2]19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/h]
Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan | Watch highlights

This pick stays the same as Mock Draft 2.0 -- it makes too much sense. Vincent Jackson is gone, and free-agent signing DeSean Jackson will fill his spot opposite Mike Evans. Davis, who had 331 catches for 5,278 yards and 52 touchdowns in his collegiate career, would give Jameis Winston another fantastic option, but he's a different player than both Jackson and Evans. The only issue with Davis (6-3, 209) is an ankle injury that kept him out of the combine, and he might not run a 40 before the draft, so scouts won't have a true number. I don't expect him to drop out of the first round, though.

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[h=2]20. Denver Broncos[/h]
David Njoku, TE, Miami (Fla.)

Njoku can no longer be considered a sleeper after posting a 4.64 40, 37.5-inch vertical and 11-foot-1 broad jump at the combine. He has the size (6-4, 246) and athleticism to run past and jump over defenders. He will be a weapon in the NFL. Experience is a question -- he's a third-year sophomore who only put it all together down the stretch of the Hurricanes' 2016 season -- but he has a high ceiling. This is another spot in which an offensive tackle could go.

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[h=2]21. Detroit Lions[/h]
Charles Harris, DE, Missouri

Pass-rusher and cornerback are the two biggest needs for the Lions, and you can take your pick from a deep class at both positions. Harris (6-3, 253) would give Detroit's D-line a boost -- the Lions had only 26 sacks last season, which ranked 30th in the league. He would play end in Detroit's 4-3, but he could move inside and rush the passer when needed. Harris had nine sacks and two forced fumbles in 2016.

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[h=2]22. Miami Dolphins[/h]
Forrest Lamp, OG, Western Kentucky

Laremy Tunsil's expected move to left tackle leaves an opening at guard, and Lamp is the best guard in the draft. He could also move over to right tackle or slide in to center, and his versatility is a plus. Though Lamp (6-4, 309) played in Conference USA, he has the traits to step in and play immediately next season. Miami could also be in play for a linebacker, even with Kiko Alonso locked into a new deal. Florida's Jarrad Davis makes some sense.

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[h=2]23. New York Giants[/h]
Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee

The Giants' 2007 and 2011 Super Bowl teams featured a fearsome pass-rushing rotation, and this would be an attempt to build out that rotation again. Jason Pierre-Paul and Olivier Vernon are entrenched as starters -- and they have the big-money deals to show for it -- but they played too many snaps last season. Vernon had more than 1,000, and Pierre-Paul was on his way before a groin injury ended his season in December. Barnett had 33 sacks in three seasons for the Volunteers, and he's an all-around 4-3 end at 6-3, 259 pounds.

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[h=2]24. Oakland Raiders[/h]
Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU

D.J. Hayden was a miss at No. 12 overall in 2013, and now the Raiders will be looking for cornerback help on Day 1 or Day 2. Enter White, who has what many of the corner prospects above him don't: experience. A four-year starter for the Tigers, White (5-11,192) could have been a Day 3 pick a year ago but made the right decision to return to school. The Raiders think they're Super Bowl contenders, but corner is a gaping hole headed into 2017.

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[h=2]25. Houston Texans[/h]
Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama

The Texans could be in play for a quarterback here after trading away Brock Osweiler, though Tony Romo could find his way to Houston soon if he gets his release from the Cowboys. For now I'm sticking with Robinson at No. 25, even if he'll have no idea whom he's blocking for. Robinson (6-6, 322) has been a known commodity for the Crimson Tide, for whom he was a three-year starter, but he isn't a lock to play left tackle. He's a powerful run-blocker who needs to clean up some things to reach his potential as a pass-blocker.

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[h=2]26. Seattle Seahawks[/h]
Kevin King, CB, Washington

Before Sidney Jones' Achilles' injury at the Washington pro day last week, the Huskies had a realistic chance of having two corners taken in the first round of the draft. King (6-3, 200) is a lanky, rangy defender who fits the Seattle mold of bigger defensive backs, and he knows his way around the city. In a great class of cornerbacks, he stands out for his size but can also move, as the 4.43 40 at the combine showed. The Seahawks could be in the market for an offensive tackle on Days 1 and 2 as well.

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[h=2]27. Kansas City Chiefs[/h]
Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina

Jeremy Maclin had a down season in 2016, and the Chiefs' top pass-catchers were tight end Travis Kelce and rookie fifth-round pick Tyreek Hill, who's not a true No. 1 wideout. Jones has moved up my board considerably thanks to his performances at the Senior Bowl and combine, where he ran a 4.45 40 and had a 36.5-inch vertical. At 6-2, 201 pounds, he put up huge numbers for the Pirates last season with 158 catches for 1,746 yards and eight touchdowns. Adding Jones would help open up the Chiefs' offense and give Alex Smith a reliable, productive target.

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[h=2]28. Dallas Cowboys[/h]
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan

Wouldn't this be a Jerry Jones type of pick? Peppers is one of the most well-known prospects in this class, but he's a tweener (5-11, 213) who's polarizing to NFL scouts. The team that drafts him will have to get creative and use him as a hybrid safety who can play the run and cover tight ends. Peppers could also be a great return man. He's a tremendous athlete (4.46 40, 35.5-inch vertical). And Dallas' secondary has been depleted in free agency -- Brandon Carr, Morris Claiborne, Barry Church and J.J. Wilcox are all gone.

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[h=2]29. Green Bay Packers[/h]
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State | Watch highlights

Cook's stock is dropping a little bit. He didn't test amazingly at the combine, a couple of shoulder injuries at FSU have worried teams and not many teams in the first round need running backs. But falling to Green Bay here would be considered a great value pick. Green Bay needs a back and will take one at some point -- converted receiver Ty Montgomery is really all it has now -- and Cook (5-10, 210) is one of the best home run hitters out there. Cook gives Aaron Rodgers and the offense some help in the passing game, too.

I came close to giving Green Bay another player here: Oklahoma's Joe Mixon, who is surging up draft boards and might be the most talented back in the entire class. Mixon has notable off-field issues, and some teams will take him off their boards because of that, but I expect him to be picked by end of the second round.

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[h=2]30. Pittsburgh Steelers[/h]
Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston

You might remember Bowser from the time he got in a fight with a teammate and broke an orbital bone the day before a game, but he has made a name for himself from his play on the field, too. He had 8.5 sacks and 12 tackles for loss for the Cougars in only eight games last season. Bowser (6-3, 247) is perfect for a 3-4 team like the Steelers, and he is rising up draft boards after testing incredibly well at the combine with a 4.65 40 and 37.5-inch vertical. Pittsburgh brought back James Harrison, who at 38 could be a mentor to Bowser.

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[h=2]31. Atlanta Falcons[/h]
Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan | Watch highlights

Charlton falls to Atlanta here in this projection because a 4.92 40 at 6-6, 277 at the combine was concerning. He's still a first-round talent, however, and I suspect the Falcons would be thrilled to put him on the other side of Vic Beasley Jr., who broke out with 15.5 sacks last season, and let him get after quarterbacks. Charlton has long arms (34¼ inches) and active hands and takes ideal angles when rushing the passer.

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[h=2]32. New Orleans Saints (from Patriots)[/h]
Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama

The Saints are trying to pry away restricted free-agent corner Malcolm Butler from the Patriots, but until they do, the position is a weak spot on a defense that gave up the most passing yards per game (273.8) last season. Humphrey (6-0 197) has length, strength, speed and good bloodlines (his father is former NFL running back Bobby Humphrey). I had Haason Reddick going to the Saints with their other first-round pick, and I suspect they'd be happy with two defenders who could step in and play on Day 1.
 

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Too much is being made about where you draft TE's. They've said for years that you shouldn't draft a safety high, either. And two safeties are projected to go in the top 10-15 picks. The Jets have a gigantic hole at TE and might have a very good TE prospect sitting right there for them. I'm not saying he's the only guy to consider, but he's definitely an option that would be a fantastic addition to this offense. I guarantee that Morton would be thrilled with this pick.
 

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He didn't have great production though in his collegiate career. Does that not scare anyone? I think his meteoric rise is due to good workouts and a good senior bowl.
 

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He didn't have great production though in his collegiate career. Does that not scare anyone? I think his meteoric rise is due to good workouts and a good senior bowl.
scares the hell out of me!!

look, maybe the kid becomes an all world TE.. sounds like howard has all the physical gifts you could hope for.. anything's possible with that kind of talent.. that said, who hasn't read this kind of bio many times before?? if you're going to miss at 6, it better not be on a TE..

oh & kiper has two safeties in his top ten mock as well?? LOLz easy to reinvent the wheel when it's not your ass on the line.. go figure.....
 

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scares the hell out of me!!

look, maybe the kid becomes an all world TE.. sounds like howard has all the physical gifts you could hope for.. anything's possible with that kind of talent.. that said, who hasn't read this kind of bio many times before?? if you're going to miss at 6, it better not be on a TE..

oh & kiper has two safeties in his top ten mock as well?? LOLz easy to reinvent the wheel when it's not your ass on the line.. go figure.....

Nobody's reinventing anything. Plenty of mocks and people who follow the draft have both Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker in the top 10. I've seen them both in the top 5 in some mocks.

That blows the "don't draft a safety high" theory right out of the water.
 

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He didn't have great production though in his collegiate career. Does that not scare anyone? I think his meteoric rise is due to good workouts and a good senior bowl.

Watch the tape, Elias. This guy is a complete TE. His stock rising goes beyond combines or workouts. Nobody is a sure thing, obviously. But this guy looks like a pretty safe pick to me. Safer than any QB in this draft.
 

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Nobody's reinventing anything. Plenty of mocks and people who follow the draft have both Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker in the top 10. I've seen them both in the top 5 in some mocks.

That blows the "don't draft a safety high" theory right out of the water.
all three of these kids, based on what you're saying may all be top 10 picks.. sounds like you follow college football, i don't..

but hey, how wonderful for them & the GMs that draft them.. but how much does that have to do with the lack of blue chip QBs, LTs, edge rushers & CBs in this draft??

if i'm a GM & my franchise also needed a QB, or a LT, or an edge rusher, or a CB, i would really hope i guessed right on a safety or TE in the top 10.. that & the QBs, LTs, edge rushers & CBs drafted after them, all become JAGs, not stars..

or hopefully i work for an extremely forgiving owner..
 
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all three of these kids, based on what you're saying may all be top 10 picks.. sounds like you follow college football, i don't..

but hey, how wonderful for them & the GMs that draft them.. but how much does that have to do with the lack of blue chip QBs, LTs, edge rushers & CBs in this draft??

if i'm a GM & my franchise also needed a QB, or a LT, or an edge rusher, or a CB, i would really hope i guessed right on a safety or TE in the top 10.. that & the QBs, LTs, edge rushers & CBs drafted after them, all become JAGs, not stars..

or hopefully i work for an extremely forgiving owner..

Some GM's believe in taking the best player on the board, especially when you have needs everywhere. And because the left tackles and edge rushers aren't particularly strong in this class, that's all the more reason to take a TE or safety if they're projected to be very good NFL players, and you've got high grades on them.

I'd take it one step further than that. If you have 3 QB's who all have legit question marks about their transition to the NFL, and you aren't confident that they're a franchise QB, and you have Malik Hooker or OJ Howard sitting there, I believe it's an easy decision. You take BPA. Now all of this assumes Macc has these players rated highly as well. We have no way of knowing that. But Macc cannot draft players based on how well the fans or media are going to accept it. If he's got DE/LB Solomon Thomas rated as the 20th best player, and OJ Howard rated as the 5th best player, where's the confusion? Edge may be a bigger need, but is he really supposed to draft Thomas at 6, and pass up the 5th best player on his board? If he doesn't trade out, the answer should be clear.
 

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Watch the tape, Elias. This guy is a complete TE. His stock rising goes beyond combines or workouts. Nobody is a sure thing, obviously. But this guy looks like a pretty safe pick to me. Safer than any QB in this draft.

If we take him, I hope he turns into a beast. Jets can use all the weapons they can get.
 

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Some GM's believe in taking the best player on the board, especially when you have needs everywhere. And because the left tackles and edge rushers aren't particularly strong in this class, that's all the more reason to take a TE or safety if they're projected to be very good NFL players, and you've got high grades on them.

I'd take it one step further than that. If you have 3 QB's who all have legit question marks about their transition to the NFL, and you aren't confident that they're a franchise QB, and you have Malik Hooker or OJ Howard sitting there, I believe it's an easy decision. You take BPA. Now all of this assumes Macc has these players rated highly as well. We have no way of knowing that. But Macc cannot draft players based on how well the fans or media are going to accept it. If he's got DE/LB Solomon Thomas rated as the 20th best player, and OJ Howard rated as the 5th best player, where's the confusion? Edge may be a bigger need, but is he really supposed to draft Thomas at 6, and pass up the 5th best player on his board? If he doesn't trade out, the answer should be clear.
i completely agree with the bolded..

& i'm not fundamentally opposed to drafting a TE or a safety in the top ten..

all i'm saying is guessing wrong on those positions that high in the draft can be most problematic with an employer.. good, bad, right or wrong..
 

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Watch Howard play he is a beast...... Anyone watch Jimmy Graham in NO and watch him with the Seahawks.... He was the center piece of the system in New Orleans... He is not the main focus with the Seahawks... But he is the same player.... and for anyone that says his injury has made him a different player NOPE!! Howard was just not the showcase of the Bama offense... He is a monster and a clear Top 10 pick
 

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1st round + TE + Jets = Disaster

History has not been kind.

Ask the Texans if they'd like to go back and draft Derek Carr....... Their history with David Carr played a big factor in not taking Derek... Same goes with the knock on Trubisky this year... Everyone says the Jets should be scared away from him simply because he was a one year stater like Sanchez..... Yeah that makes sense... so for the record I am ok with taking Howard and I am ok with taking Trubisky if that's how it plays out...
 
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I know, neither does Mitchell, Becht or Keller, I was just making an observation.

Dustin Keller was a very productive TE... Guy averaged about 50 catches a season and over 600 yds a season with us.... Who was the last TE to do that for us? And there isn't person on ths board right now that wouldn't sign up for a TE that has that production... No obviusly if you pick a TE at 6 he better be more prolific than that.... But Keller was on the rise until injuries ended his career his last full year 65 catches 815yds 5 TDs in year 4 unfortunately year 5 he suffered some injuries we let him go and he suffered a major knee injury in training camp the next year and his career was over....
 

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i completely agree with the bolded..

& i'm not fundamentally opposed to drafting a TE or a safety in the top ten..

all i'm saying is guessing wrong on those positions that high in the draft can be most problematic with an employer.. good, bad, right or wrong..

I think Woody trusts Macc to make good decisions. Eventually, Macc will get fired if the team doesn't improve overall. I don't think you can limit it to selecting a TE or Safety as being a reason why. Decisions like the Hackenberg pick potentially failing, combined with losing would go a long way towards a firing in a few years.

IMO, a miss at #6 will draw the ire of the fans and media more than anything. Vernon Gholston was a complete disaster. This team gambled on Mark Sanchez at #5 in 2008, when many draftniks said it was a great pick, and worth the gamble. Despite his limited starting experience....Trubisky? For me, it doesn't matter what the position is (with the exception of a kicker or punter obviously). Take the player who you feel very confident will be an impact player. Much like Macc did with Leonard Williams.
 

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I think Woody trusts Macc to make good decisions. Eventually, Macc will get fired if the team doesn't improve overall. I don't think you can limit it to selecting a TE or Safety as being a reason why. Decisions like the Hackenberg pick potentially failing, combined with losing would go a long way towards a firing in a few years.

IMO, a miss at #6 will draw the ire of the fans and media more than anything. Vernon Gholston was a complete disaster. This team gambled on Mark Sanchez at #5 in 2008, when many draftniks said it was a great pick, and worth the gamble. Despite his limited starting experience....Trubisky? For me, it doesn't matter what the position is (with the exception of a kicker or punter obviously). Take the player who you feel very confident will be an impact player. Much like Macc did with Leonard Williams.
i wasn't try to imply missing on a TE or a safety with a top 10 pick will get a GM fired.. but if you do swing & miss on unconventional picks like that, you are most certainly putting yourself that much closer to getting canned..

if you don't see it that way, i guess we'll have to agree to disagree..
 
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