2017 Draft Impact on 2018 Offseason

[lounap23]

There's NO fucking way that there is 5 starters from the 2016 draft. The 2016 draft is as bad as 2014. Every single player mentioned could just as easily be bums. The idea is DUMB.

Jenkins and Lee are starters already and Shell was the starter at RT to end the year and played very well as did Burris.... So not far fetched to think both Burris and Shell remain starters in 2017... Literally the most inconsisten of those 4 is Lee and he is definitely starting, hopefully he improves. So the idea of it being Dumb is not dumb at all... And quite honestly... With the solid play of Jenkins, Burris and Shell the 2016 draft class doesn't look so bad at all.. Not sure why you think they're bums considering the positive we saw from those 3 over the last 3-4 games last year... Seems like reason to have some hope in them. And personally I say throw Hack in there and lets see what he's got.. But I guess we will see how it plays out. Maybe it might even play out with a happy positive post from you.. LOL

 

[Mainejet]

Jenkins and Lee are starters already and Shell was the starter at RT to end the year and played very well as did Burris.... So not far fetched to think both Burris and Shell remain starters in 2017... Literally the most inconsisten of those 4 is Lee and he is definitely starting, hopefully he improves. So the idea of it being Dumb is not dumb at all... And quite honestly... With the solid play of Jenkins, Burris and Shell the 2016 draft class doesn't look so bad at all.. Not sure why you think they're bums considering the positive we saw from those 3 over the last 3-4 games last year... Seems like reason to have some hope in them. And personally I say throw Hack in there and lets see what he's got.. But I guess we will see how it plays out. Maybe it might even play out with a happy positive post from you.. LOL

What I meant to say is not one of them are worthy of being starters. On just about any other team those players mentioned would NOT start. They simply are not good enough. Just because the Jets are so bad in regards to talent does not mean any one of them are worthy of being starters...

 

[lounap23]

What I meant to say is not one of them are worthy of being starters. On just about any other team those players mentioned would NOT start. They simply are not good enough. Just because the Jets are so bad in regards to talent does not mean any one of them are worthy of being starters...

To a degree I see your point but based on what I saw last year and their talent I think these kids need to play to learn and grow.They have the potential, all of them, to be above average starters that could play on most teams... It's literally the chicken and egg argument.... I believe we need to nurture the egg and they will grow into the chickens we want... You want the chickens now...

As far as Hack goes we know he has the smarts, the arm, the size but we just haven't seen anything from him yet like we have with the others... This is the time... Personally I would have been fine with letting Hack and Petty battle it out for the starting job and take a flyer on a Kaaya or someone in RD5 to stash on the PS and go into the season with that. If they fail so be it....McCown , not likely, could be the growth stopper for this organization.. If they don't win the job and McCown does he has the potential to have a 2015 Fitz like campaign and lead us to winning anywhere from 6 to 10 games with our schedule and take us out of the running for 1 of next years franchise QB's... Unless of course we win 10 games learned our lesson with Fitz and do what we have to do to trade up and get one of those guys... Again, that's what I would do

But back to the original point these kids are not as bad as you pain them to be and they could start on a lot of teams now. They have potential to be good and I want them to play....


It's sink or swim time....

 

[Mainejet]

To a degree I see your point but based on what I saw last year and their talent I think these kids need to play to learn and grow.They have the potential, all of them, to be above average starters that could play on most teams... It's literally the chicken and egg argument.... I believe we need to nurture the egg and they will grow into the chickens we want... You want the chickens now...

As far as Hack goes we know he has the smarts, the arm, the size but we just haven't seen anything from him yet like we have with the others... This is the time... Personally I would have been fine with letting Hack and Petty battle it out for the starting job and take a flyer on a Kaaya or someone in RD5 to stash on the PS and go into the season with that. If they fail so be it....McCown , not likely, could be the growth stopper for this organization.. If they don't win the job and McCown does he has the potential to have a 2015 Fitz like campaign and lead us to winning anywhere from 6 to 10 games with our schedule and take us out of the running for 1 of next years franchise QB's... Unless of course we win 10 games learned our lesson with Fitz and do what we have to do to trade up and get one of those guys... Again, that's what I would do

But back to the original point these kids are not as bad as you pain them to be and they could start on a lot of teams now. They have potential to be good and I want them to play....


It's sink or swim time....

Well, I definitely agree it is sink or swim time. I don't believe any of the 2016 draft choices did anything to help the Jets win games in 2016. That, to me, is a poor start? I think you'll see that the 2017 draft choices will be dramatically better right off the bat this season. I think that will prove to most that Mac has not had a good draft up until last month. IMO, Mac's first two drafts are about as good as any of the last 10 for the Jets.

When you can get guys that step right on the field and help, you are good at drafting. When you get guys that the jury is out on for sometimes up to 3 years? Most normally, that means your draft choices are not going to stick..........

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

Let's try to get this back on track. By 2018 offseason...

• The Oline will be two positions short of being solid.
• Wide receivers will be in good, if not great, shape.
• TE will still be a need but only for blocking.
• Running back will be a big need.
• DLine will still be fine.
• Linebackers will be in good shape because Bowles will figure out how to use Lee.
• #1 cornerback will be need 1b.

And who the hell knows what the QB situation will be.

 

[Mainejet]

Let's try to get this back on track. By 2018 offseason...

• The Oline will be two positions short of being solid.
• Wide receivers will be in good, if not great, shape.
• TE will still be a need but only for blocking.
• Running back will be a big need.
• DLine will still be fine.
• Linebackers will be in good shape because Bowles will figure out how to use Lee.
• #1 cornerback will be need 1b.

And who the hell knows what the QB situation will be.

We'll still need a number 1 WR. Guarded optimism with Leggett? Lets see if he can learn to block? Agreed with RB. So how will Toilet use Lee? Corner may not be a need? Depends on how the youth develops.

QB situation will be Jets squarely ready to draft a top QB with a top 3 pick in the draft.........

 

[jetgreen13]

Let's try to get this back on track. By 2018 offseason...

• The Oline will be two positions short of being solid.
• Wide receivers will be in good, if not great, shape.
• TE will still be a need but only for blocking.
• Running back will be a big need.
• DLine will still be fine.
• Linebackers will be in good shape because Bowles will figure out how to use Lee.
• #1 cornerback will be need 1b.

And who the hell knows what the QB situation will be.

i appreciate your optimism on bowles figuring out how to use lee.. i just don't understand what you're basing it on..

the only thing i've learned about bowles, is that i can't point to one single aspect of being a HC that i believe he's promising at..

that's not me trying to be snarky at bowles' expense, i'm dead ass serious..

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

i appreciate your optimism on bowles figuring out how to use lee.. i just don't understand what you're basing it on..

the only thing i've learned about bowles, is that i can't point to one single aspect of being a HC that i believe he's promising at..

that's not me trying to be snarky at bowles' expense, i'm dead ass serious..

Wishful thinking, mostly. I guess I'm hoping he uses a 4-3 significantly more than he has. Lee reminds me of Vilma who was lost when Mangini came in and went to a 3-4. I just think Mo-Leo-McClendon-Sheldon/Jenkins/Harris/Lee is much stronger than the 3-4 and keeps their best players on the field. That lineup will be even better if Gerald Hodges takes Harris's spot.

 

[lounap23]

Wishful thinking, mostly. I guess I'm hoping he uses a 4-3 significantly more than he has. Lee reminds me of Vilma who was lost when Mangini came in and went to a 3-4. I just think Mo-Leo-McClendon-Sheldon/Jenkins/Harris/Lee is much stronger than the 3-4 and keeps their best players on the field. That lineup will be even better if Gerald Hodges takes Harris's spot.

We aren't built for a 4-3... We played to much 4-3 last year... The games the defense played the best last year in 2-3 games and those were game where either Mo or Sheldon didn't play and we stuck to our 3-4 base... Neither MO nor Sheldon are pure 4-3 DE with the kind of pass rush abilities needed from a 4-3 DE....

 

[SackExchange]

Don't forget WR. The Jets a lot of talent at WR, but no number 1. As much as I like all the WR's we have I don't think there's a number 1 in the bunch. That will need to be rectified.

I think Enunwa could very much develop into a #1. He has great size and can get separation. I also think his speed, while certainly not elite, is underrated, and he has shown that on a few catches where he broke away from the pack.

 

[lounap23]

I think Enunwa could very much develop into a #1. He has great size and can get separation. I also think his speed, while certainly not elite, is underrated, and he has shown that on a few catches where he broke away from the pack.

I think the same but lets remember for many years not only the Saints but the Patriots as well never had a true #1 WR. But they had a lot of weapons to spread the ball around and really kept defenses off balance because there was no 1 person to really focus on.... One week you have Colston beating you the next week it was Meechum, the next it Graham, the Next it was Lance Moore....

The thing that always makes those offenses run so well was, besides the QB, is a high level TE... With this WR group I think we need a a functional TE not necessarily a high level guy like Graham or Gronk. I agree Enunwa if showcased properly he could be a #1 Guy, Decker is gonna Decker and if he is healthy that's a good thing. Anderson had a promising rookie year hopefully this off field crap gets taken care of quickly and he continues where he left off. but if not I like the talent we have in Peake as well as Hansen and Stewart.. So with the right system and play calling by the OC, coupled with some good QB play I think this offense can be very productive. But those are 3 big if's

 

[Mainejet]

I think Enunwa could very much develop into a #1. He has great size and can get separation. I also think his speed, while certainly not elite, is underrated, and he has shown that on a few catches where he broke away from the pack.

I don't. I have thought about that many times myself. You're right he does have very good size. However, there's something about him and I can't really put my finger on it, that makes me think he'll be a number 2 but never anything more. Call it a hunch? In other words, there's absolutely no reason not to think the opposite of what I am saying. Something tells me he has improved as much as he's ever going to improve? Last season to me was a number 2 WR season? It was very good. I think Enunwa can ultimately become every bit as good as Decker. But I just don't see Enunwa as a number 1, Brandon Marshall type WR.........

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

We'll still need a number 1 WR. Guarded optimism with Leggett? Lets see if he can learn to block? Agreed with RB. So how will Toilet use Lee? Corner may not be a need? Depends on how the youth develops.

QB situation will be Jets squarely ready to draft a top QB with a top 3 pick in the draft.........

Agreed about the #1 receiver, that's why I said 'good if not great'. Given all of the other needs, that's a luxury get at this point. The focus of 2017 is to see what exactly we have in the youngsters and hone our specific needs. With $85mm in cap space and high picks next off season, a lot can be done. We just need to significantly reduce the holes this year.

 

[SackExchange]

I think the same but lets remember for many years not only the Saints but the Patriots as well never had a true #1 WR. But they had a lot of weapons to spread the ball around and really kept defenses off balance because there was no 1 person to really focus on.... One week you have Colston beating you the next week it was Meechum, the next it Graham, the Next it was Lance Moore....

The thing that always makes those offenses run so well was, besides the QB, is a high level TE... With this WR group I think we need a a functional TE not necessarily a high level guy like Graham or Gronk. I agree Enunwa if showcased properly he could be a #1 Guy, Decker is gonna Decker and if he is healthy that's a good thing. Anderson had a promising rookie year hopefully this off field crap gets taken care of quickly and he continues where he left off. but if not I like the talent we have in Peake as well as Hansen and Stewart.. So with the right system and play calling by the OC, coupled with some good QB play I think this offense can be very productive. But those are 3 big if's

That's true. It is a copycat league, but I'm not sure the Jets are going to load up on TEs and slot receivers like the Pats. With it, you don't need a #1, or even a solid #2.

 

[Mainejet]

Agreed about the #1 receiver, that's why I said 'good if not great'. Given all of the other needs, that's a luxury get at this point. The focus of 2017 is to see what exactly we have in the youngsters and hone our specific needs. With $85mm in cap space and high picks next off season, a lot can be done. We just need to significantly reduce the holes this year.

In regards to reducing holes, I think Mac did just that? I thought he had an excellent draft. I just hope these guys can go out on the field and kill it..........

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

In regards to reducing holes, I think Mac did just that? I thought he had an excellent draft. I just hope these guys can go out on the field and kill it..........

Amen! But there are some left and, I hope, by next offseason fewer than we have now.

 

[Mainejet]

We aren't built for a 4-3... We played to much 4-3 last year... The games the defense played the best last year in 2-3 games and those were game where either Mo or Sheldon didn't play and we stuck to our 3-4 base... Neither MO nor Sheldon are pure 4-3 DE with the kind of pass rush abilities needed from a 4-3 DE....

Mike Westhoff clamored for Toilet to move the base defense to a strictly 4-3 after week 4 last season. He said it would allow Toilet to use all of his best players in their native positions. It would also simplify things for Lee. At the time, Lee had no idea where he was supposed to go at the snap. He also said Lee was a prototypical 4-3 linebacker.

 

[lounap23]

Mike Westhoff clamored for Toilet to move the base defense to a strictly 4-3 after week 4 last season. He said it would allow Toilet to use all of his best players in their native positions. It would also simplify things for Lee. At the time, Lee had no idea where he was supposed to go at the snap. He also said Lee was a prototypical 4-3 linebacker.

Lee might be better suited for the 4-3 but the rest of the front is not

 

[Mainejet]

Lee might be better suited for the 4-3 but the rest of the front is not

Well, if that's the case, then WTF did they draft Lee? You're essentially calling into question Mac's know how in drafting and Toilets ability to use it properly? Which I have done MANY times...

 

[lounap23]

Well, if that's the case, then WTF did they draft Lee? You're essentially calling into question Mac's know how in drafting and Toilets ability to use it properly? Which I have done MANY times...

Bowles was looking for that hybrid type 3-4 player he had in Buchannon while with the Cards. They assessed Lee could be that guy and he has shown flashes but no consistency. He is built to be a 4-3 LB but does have the ability to be that Hybrid LB Bowles loves. This is a big year for Lee to show he can take that next step in consistency... And not to defend Lee but I think the lackluster play of Mo and Sheldon hurt the scheme. They have to keep him clean so he can run free and they didn't