Oh, I'm not nearly as ready yet to call Lee a bust as MJ is. He was down on that pick from the start.
For that matter, I'm not ready to throw out Pryor yet, as I think situationally, he could play an important role in this defense.
Woody Johnson: Jets Set a New Course
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Oh, I'm not nearly as ready yet to call Lee a bust as MJ is. He was down on that pick from the start.
For that matter, I'm not ready to throw out Pryor yet, as I think situationally, he could play an important role in this defense.
I hear you, I just wanted to make that point and your's was the last post. Didn't mean to call you out.
Totally understood.
Yes, victims of the ny bubble. The fact is most fans would kill for our success over the last 17 years. Jets fans want to be the next patriots. The fact is, only a handful of teams out of 32, have a super bowl qb. Brady, roethlisberger, Wilson, Rodgers, manning, flacco. And one of those is the greatest ever.
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Disagree. There are 32 teams and only one champion. By business standards the jets are a financial success without geting close to a super bowl. One could argue that makes woody very successful by business standards.
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I love lee. I expect a bump in year 2, and I think he will be a unique nfl player. I like Leonard Williams, Lee, and Adams as the jets version of Sapp, Brooks, lynch.
I look forward to 3 safety looks for Pryor, as I expect him to quickly drop to 3rd on the depth chart. Remember maye is also a nickel corner. I like Adams, maye, prior, Lee on passing downs.
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I've been waiting for the Jets to take this approach for years. If the owner, GM and the coaching staff are all on the same page, that is a huge step for this organization. Now, they have to execute obviously. And I know some think Mac is clueless and Bowles is a lousy HC - I am not one of those people. I think Mac is actually a very good talent evaluator and has done a very solid job in his first three years. I also think if Bowles gets his type of players, like Parcels had his types of players, I think you will see a different product on the field, and that will translate into wins. Last point - I really like the coaching changes that were made this offseason. I think this staff has a lot of potential.
Would those same teams kill for their record over the last 6 years with only one winning season??
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Committed to building through the draft and developing young players in-house, Jets CEO Woody Johnson is navigating a new course.
“If you want to go to the promised land, you have to go in a certain direction,” he said Tuesday during an appearance with ESPN New York. “I think this is a direction we have never tried in 17 years that I’ve been involved in with the Jets. We’ve never gone this way.”
A guest on “Hahn, Humpty & Canty,” Johnson stressed his goals for the upcoming season in terms of player development.
“Really the way I want to be judged this year hopefully from the fans’ standpoint is watch how we improve during the year and look at how each individual on the team and see how they’re getting better,” he said. “If they’re getting better, that’s a mark of progress. That’s what we’re looking for.”
Looking back at years past, Johnson acknowledged attempting to find the quick fix via trades and/or through pro free agency.
“I think what we have done over the years is traded picks away and we’ve had too big of an emphasis on free agency and not enough emphasis on developing our own,” he said. “Your own guy you train from day one and that’s going to be a guy that understands what you’re trying to accomplish. I think you’re better off with a homegrown guy.”
Last weekend, GM Mike Maccagnan made five trades in all while stockpiling picks in the process. After starting with seven selections, Maccagnan drafted nine players and added the Cowboys’ 2018 fifth-rounder.
“Well he was just following his board and we got a number of players that were still high on our board even after trading down and getting more picks,” Johnson said. “This was all about numbers this year and maybe next year, too. We need numbers. We have a lot of areas we have to improve in.”
Saying he thought the Draft went well, Johnson added the Jets selected a “couple of great safeties” in Jamal Adams and Marcus Maye. The DB duo along with the team’s other seven selections are expected to be in Florham Park Thursday when players report for rookie minicamp.
“This is not for every team,” Johnson said of the new direction. “But for us, it’s getting our own guys, teaching them our culture and getting them going with the way we want to approach football in New York. This is a different type of deal, so it’s tough. So you have to get the right guy.”
Finally and thank you Woody. This is something most of us Jets fans have been wanting for years. Very few teams like NE and the Giants can build their teams through FA and even they still stick lie on draft picks. NE for instance CS and management is just that great that they can get away with it. Obviously we haven't been. Come close a few time flirting with the AFC championship games but no prize at the end. Most of the other great teams build through the draft. Steelers, Seattle and Packers. Dallas is doing it you see their improvement. Up and coming teams like the Raiders, Bucs and Texans are building through the draft. So it's pretty telling which way teams need to go here and I'm glad the Jets are finally doing it.
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That's not really the point. The point is, at least so far, Darron Lee appears to be miscast in a 3-4 hybrid. I know I insult his size, but that aside, HOW will be play in Bowles hybrid system? This is what I want to know. His rookie season was very uninspiring. Like I said, he got annihilated whenever a lead Guard got his hands on Lee. He got torched in coverage despite his speed. He didn't get his head turned around? And the fact is, his scouting report coming into the draft was that of a prototypical 4-3 linebacker, NOT a 3-4.
I agree that this finally appears to be a breakthrough in the philosophy of our owner. I also agree that I'm not going to judge this team based solely on wins and losses. This team could win 2-3 games and show progress to indicate we're on the right track or we can win 6 games and not make progress. To me the team cannot continue to embarrass themselves (and their fans) by not showing up, not being prepared and acting like a bunch of prima donnnas. I have been a big supporter of Bowles, but as soon as he became Todd "Anyone Can Oversleep" Bowles, I saw major red flags. To me that indicates no accountability (not starting one game did nothing), selfishness and the lack of leaders on this team. That must change. That's how I will judge this team this year.
We can see how this plays out with Sheldon Richardson. At this point the only choice is to keep him for the season. However there needs to be a zero tolerance policy. The first meeting he's late to or the first walk through he sleeps through, he needs to be benched for the year.
They become a TEAM with leaders or they continue to be selfish prima donnas. That's how I'm going to judge this team.
We can see how this plays out with Sheldon Richardson. At this point the only choice is to keep him for the season. However there needs to be a zero tolerance policy. The first meeting he's late to or the first walk through he sleeps through, he needs to be benched for the year.
They become a TEAM with leaders or they continue to be selfish prima donnas. That's how I'm going to judge this team.
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I agree with this. As far as SRichardson goes, my hope is that he has enough brains to play his ass off so that another team is foolish enough to overpay thus helping our compensatory pick situation in 2018. I think he is a problem for this team going forward and a bad influence on the young nucleus.
The key is patience. Will either the fan base, the owner, or the media show enough patience to see this through? This takes time, though once you are there, you're set.
Please, Jets fans, please, PLEASE show patience for this plan.
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Fair enough. I fully believe the DL will rebound this season and play well. If Lee is playing inside and still gets annihilated on running plays, giving up 6 or 7 yards a chunk, gets burned in pass coverage because he never turns his head to actually look for the ball? It's time for everyone to realize what the Lee pick was?
I've thought about this a long time now. I don't know that we'll ever know the real truth, but IMO Mac decided NOT to trade up and get Laremy Tunsil because he was so smitten with Christian Hackenberg? Trading up would have required Mac giving up his 1st and 2nd at the very least. Therefore, Hack would have been gone by the time Mac picked next. So he said, to hell with the OL. I'll deal with that at a later date. I want Hackenberg.
Well, the Darron Lee pick was Mac merely saying we can take this BPA at #20 and save our 2nd for Christian Hackenberg. Now, he may have been the BPA at #20, but I don't believe the pick was ever well thought out? Mac was going against the grain with Lee. At least right now, it appears to be a bad pick. This will be a make or break year for Lee. If looks as bad this season as he did last? 2018 will be about trying to salvage some use for a player not suited to play linebacker in a 3-4.........