Mac's Facts

[Mainejet]

Time to develop his team???
Id like to know how long are you going to give him???


A true starting QB ????
Again if we Jet fans judged our coaches by this you can basically give all the Jet coaches a pass back to Weeb

Now this is my opinion : you guys give Bowles way to much leniency with this rebuild , roster spots , QBs , blah blah blah

Win, show me team effort , Win, or goodby.

You know it really is amazing? I like all the posters here. I respect them. But really what you're pointing out is the fundamental difference between us? This vicious cycle has just been going on forever? From Al Groh on to Herm to Mangini, etc. The one universal, immutable truth about most all of them is their undying patience for an organization that produces one failure right after another?

When Herm was here, the unspoken belief was don't ever criticize Herm because he's a great guy. When Mangini sucked ass in 2008 and blew an opportunity with a very good team. I called him everything but a white man? Then I was told to STFU and my attitude sucks. And so on and so forth, for every regime since Parcells. They continue this sick play of patience that NEVER ends with positive results? Virtually, every regime, including Rex, ultimately has ended in failure, but I'm the prick for pointing out what was coming two years before it's considered ACCEPTABLE by Jets fans websites ethics boards??

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying right now? Toilet is as bad a HC as I've ever seen. I know this can only end in failure. Yet, NO ONE , besides precious few, will ever acknowledge what is clearly staring them dead in the face?

 

[Mainejet]

I cannot wait for camp to open. It will be good to see players hitting one another instead of us just smacking each other around on this site. JUST KIDDING!

I think we will know right away if Wilkerson is at or near 100%, if Richardson is focused and acting like a professional, if Burris is running with the starters and holding his own, and if Maye will contribute as a rookie.

I think the Safeties, both free and strong, will be much improved. Im convinced Adams will be a good player, I don't know about Ed Reed good (I sure am hoping so), but still much improved even this season, their rookie years, this season.

The exciting thing for me is because Adams is such cerebral player, how much of his instincts and leadership will rub off on Maye?

All I can say is I think we could be seeing the makings of a truly great secondary. The corners will probably still suck, but if Mac continues to draft well, AND he gets to hire a competent HC, this could become one of the youngest and best secondaries in the league.

 

[LIJETFAN]

MaineJet, I am not saying that I am convinced that Bowles is going to be a great coach, or even a good one. I am saying that there might be more into what wrong last year than just the HC. The fact that he overhauled the staff is particularly interesting. A lot coaches would stick with their original staffs - to me that's the sign of a coach potentially growing into the job. And I am not suggesting that the Jets should stick with him forever. I am saying that absent a remarkable alternative, like a Jim Harbaugh, getting the next so-called hot coordinator doesn't accomplish much, and it might actually set the team back even further. I said give him another two years, and I stand by that.

Let's see how the younger players develop. Let's see how this team plays against good football teams. Let's see how the defense plays this year, because Bowles can coach defense and this could be a pretty talented group. It will take time to get on the same page and there will be some rookie growing pains, but there is talent there.

As I said earlier, I get it about wanting a winner. To be precise, I've been a Jet fan for 44 years. I've seen it all, as have a few others on this Board. You may not remember Rich Kotite, but I do. I think it's overstatement to put Bowles in that category. Coaches, like players, particularly coordinators need some time to grow into the role. I am not sure if Bowles will do that, but in my opinion he deserves a little more time to do so.

 

[LIJETFAN]

I did not respond to your Westoff suggestion - Westoff has been a candidate for the Jets HC jobs before and never was considered a finalist. He's an interesting guy. My best guess about him is that the entire league does not see him as a Head Coach. Something must be missing, because he has been an elite special teams coach in the league for many years. So there must be something that we do not see, because you would think he would have received a HC offer by now given his impressive track record on that side of the ball. It's an interesting choice...he would certainly be tough. I would not be opposed to having him get a shot at some point if we can't get an elite HC...

 

[jetgreen13]

I would also add that Bowles did make some significant changes on his coaching staff, and that might change the dynamic on this team. So let's give this new staff a chance too.

bowles fired a bunch of the same guys who he hired in the 1st place.. didn't fire rogers though.. go figure..

he's been a lousy HC 2 years running.. almost everything possible broke right for us & we still didn't make the playoffs in '15.. that team could have won 12+ games if not for 4 or 5 completely flat performances.. that was on bowles.. that combined with last season's debacle prevents him from getting a free pass this year.. if he can't get a bunch of kids to play hard, he needs to go..

 

[Bigmoe]

. didn't fire rogers though.. go figure..

And on this alone
never mind that shit Show last year

He should have been canned for keeping the DC
what a joke

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

bowles fired a bunch of the same guys who he hired in the 1st place.. didn't fire rogers though.. go figure..

he's been a lousy HC 2 years running.. almost everything possible broke right for us & we still didn't make the playoffs in '15.. that team could have won 12+ games if not for 4 or 5 completely flat performances.. that was on bowles.. that combined with last season's debacle prevents him from getting a free pass this year.. if he can't get a bunch of kids to play hard, he needs to go..

Can't fault Bowles for 3 INT's by Fitz in the biggest game Fitz will ever see again. To go 10-6 with Fitz as your QB is coach of the year material to me.

 

[Bigmoe]

Can't fault Bowles for 3 INT's by Fitz in the biggest game Fitz will ever see again. To go 10-6 with Fitz as your QB is coach of the year material to me.

So let me get this straight

you want to give bolwles credit ( and coach of the year ) for 10 wins with Fitz.

but you want to blame Fitz for losing to Rex not once but twice and absolve the Coach for the loss.

I saw a coach , schooled , out coached , and have his team no where near as hyped up and ready to play as the coach from Buffalo

and then Bowles tells us no one game is more important than any other , Bullshit

then the following year the entire team quit on him and was the embarrassment of the league.

but give him coach of the year

A pass for last year

3-4 more years to groom the team to his liking

oh yea , and wait till he gets a franchise QB

Sounds like a feasible plan

Go Jets

 

[SackExchange]

So let me get this straight

you want to give bolwles credit ( and coach of the year ) for 10 wins with Fitz.

but you want to blame Fitz for losing to Rex not once but twice and absolve the Coach for the loss.

I saw a coach , schooled , out coached , and have his team no where near as hyped up and ready to play as the coach from Buffalo

and then Bowles tells us no one game is more important than any other , Bullshit

then the following year the entire team quit on him and was the embarrassment of the league.

but give him coach of the year

A pass for last year

3-4 more years to groom the team to his liking

oh yea , and wait till he gets a franchise QB

Sounds like a feasible plan

Go Jets

In all fairness, others have given Bowles no credit for 10-6 but blamed him for last year's train wreck. Both sides are off the mark. He either gets credit AND blame for the records, or he doesn't.

 

[NickSINYC]

My take on Bowles is he has all of Ryan's faults as a HC minus the big mouth. That does not cut it for me.

 

[SackExchange]

My take on Bowles is he has all of Ryan's faults as a HC minus the big mouth. That does not cut it for me.

At least many of Rex's faults. He has the same lack of accountability. He's not as good a defensive strategist, though he was really good in Arizona. Why he's not here is a question. I'm glad he's not Rex in terms of dealing with the press, but he needs to hold his players more accountable than he has.

 

[jetgreen13]

In all fairness, others have given Bowles no credit for 10-6 but blamed him for last year's train wreck. Both sides are off the mark. He either gets credit AND blame for the records, or he doesn't.

the reasons for bowles lack of credit year one have been exhausted here at JFU..

you choose to give bowles much more credit for year one than i do.. that's certainty not against the rules but man, what a difference of opinion.....

 

[SackExchange]

the reasons for bowles lack of credit year one have been exhausted here at JFU..

you choose to give bowles much more credit for year one than i do.. that's certainty not against the rules but man, what a difference of opinion.....

I believe in giving him both credit for 2015 and blame for 2016. And truthfully, I think anyone who does anything else, on either side, is just looking for a reason to push their own agenda, whether it's in defense of Bowles or to bash him.

 

[jetgreen13]

I believe in giving him both credit for 2015 and blame for 2016. And truthfully, I think anyone who does anything else, on either side, is just looking for a reason to push their own agenda, whether it's in defense of Bowles or to bash him.

you may be on to something.. i've certainly given up on the idea of him developing into a competent HC, much less a good one..

with that, can you point to something, anything, bowles did in '15 to get us to 10-6??

aside from his sparkling personality & motivational skills??

 

[SackExchange]

you may be on to something.. i've certainly given up on the idea of him developing into a competent HC, much less a good one..

with that, can you point to something, anything, bowles did in '15 to get us to 10-6??

aside from his sparkling personality & motivational skills??

During a six-game stretch with the entire season on the line, he got the team to go 5-1. I know, he did nothing to help the team. The head coach had no impact on that. But obviously the head coach is solely responsible for 5-11.

He had no say over the team's wins, and is responsible for the team's losses. I get it.

 

[jetgreen13]

During a six-game stretch with the entire season on the line, he got the team to go 5-1. I know, he did nothing to help the team. The head coach had no impact on that. But obviously the head coach is solely responsible for 5-11.

He had no say over the team's wins, and is responsible for the team's losses. I get it.

yeah, well, what the hell good was 5-1 when the playoffs were riding on 6-0?? week 17 no less..

i also know, a HC is solely responsible for his team being accountable & ready to play..

i know if you believe bowles has learned that lesson & is capable of acting on it, that's fine.. i don't..

i guess we'll find out black monday..

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

In all fairness, others have given Bowles no credit for 10-6 but blamed him for last year's train wreck. Both sides are off the mark. He either gets credit AND blame for the records, or he doesn't.

Thats why I made my post. He should get some blame, Mac gets blame, Woody gets blame, but the players are the real problem. If he doesn't take a step forward as a coach this year then maybe he is just a coach for the transition and then the Jets move on. They better be a much improved team or nobody will want to coach this train wreck.

 

[jetgreen13]

Thats why I made my post. He should get some blame, Mac gets blame, Woody gets blame, but the players are the real problem. If he doesn't take a step forward as a coach this year then maybe he is just a coach for the transition and then the Jets move on. They better be a much improved team or nobody will want to coach this train wreck.

is "transition" code for fired on black monday??

well, bowles' in year 3 of a 5 year deal.. no way he gets an extension if he shits the bed again this upcoming season..

oh & bowles going 10-6 in spite of fitzpatrick?? i have no words.....

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

is "transition" code for fired on black monday??

well, bowles' in year 3 of a 5 year deal.. no way he gets an extension if he shits the bed again this upcoming season..

oh & bowles going 10-6 in spite of fitzpatrick?? i have no words.....

So Bowles had nothing to do with the 10-6? Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard if thats what you are saying.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

Credit for 2015? Blame for 2016? Blah, blah, blah.

Here are the only things we need to worry about;

Will Bowles grow and hold his team accountable? If not, goodbye.
Will Bowles figure out a way to use Williams, Wilkerson and Richardson simultaneously? If not, wtf did they sign Wilkerson for $20mm per year and let Damon Harrison go???
Will Bowles figure out a way to use Darren Lee in a Deone Buchannon kind of role?

Bowles may be one of those guys who is a great coordinator but not a great HC. We'll find out by answering these questions. It's that simple.