We just had one of those.
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We just had one of those.
oh, quite the opposite!! bowles had plenty to do with 10-6.. like not having his team ready to play at least 25% of the season.. the jets played a historically easy schedule in '15.. hell, the only bad northeast weather game was week 17.. the jets should have challenged the patriots for the division title..period!! hanging our hats on an empty 10 win season is horse shit.. LOLz we didn't even make the playoffs..
but if you think bowles had more to with 10-6 than fitzpatrick's 31 TDs, so be it.. the overwhelming reason the jets had the 5-1 run SackExchange likes to bring up, was fitzpatrick, not bowles.. so there's that too..
Bowles was an above average defensive coordinator. He hasn't been an above average head coach. He hasn't figured out a way to leverage three great d-linemen simultaneously, he hasn't figured out a way to use Darren Lee in a Deone Buchannon-like role and he hasn't always put the best players on the field (e.g., Burris). Even more concerning is what went on in the locker room in 2016. He clearly lost control of this team. His best players weren't attending meetings or coming to team walk-throughs. Worse yet, he provided excuses for them! 'Anyone can oversleep' is an inexcusable and unacceptable statement to be made by a head coach. More than any single player on this team, Bowles needs to improve his game in order for this team to move forward. If he doesn't he will, and should, be gone in 2018.
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IMO this is a make or break year for Toilet. Everyone talks about how he had one good year? Well, if you take into account the Jets being a laughingstock team for years prior, then yeah, I suppose 2015 was a wildly successful season for those fans that have extremely low expectations for the team? But to be fair you must also take into account his 2016 season as well. That was a laugher all the way.
So all in all, you're supporting a HC that whenever he has 50 million to spend on high priced free agents, the team will go 10-6 and MISS the playoffs. If he's left to rely on a normal offseason where drafting comes into play you should NOT have any expectations for him. He'll go 5-11 and keep you up at night thinking about how much of an incompetent dingbat he is.
I'm sorry to say those stats are nothing special and very hard to make a case to say this guy must be retained?
Therefore, this season is rightfully so a make or break season for Toilet. He's walking on egg shells right now and it's deservedly so. If he shows a LOT more than he ever has before he'll be retained. He will have EARNED it for the first time in NY. If he fails he'll get fired and everyone including myself will know that this is exactly what we thought of him for a long time now..........
So all in all, you're supporting a HC that whenever he has 50 million to spend on high priced free agents, the team will go 10-6 and MISS the playoffs. If he's left to rely on a normal offseason where drafting comes into play you should NOT have any expectations for him. He'll go 5-11 and keep you up at night thinking about how much of an incompetent dingbat he is.
I'm sorry to say those stats are nothing special and very hard to make a case to say this guy must be retained?
Therefore, this season is rightfully so a make or break season for Toilet. He's walking on egg shells right now and it's deservedly so. If he shows a LOT more than he ever has before he'll be retained. He will have EARNED it for the first time in NY. If he fails he'll get fired and everyone including myself will know that this is exactly what we thought of him for a long time now..........
The one thing I really can't stand about Bowles is his lackluster attitude on the sidelines. No fire, no excitement, no passion. It seems as though looking 'cool and cerebral' is most important to him. I'm no psychiatrist, but I suspect that calm face he presents to the world is masking an inner 'deer in the headlights'. I think he's in over his head, plain and simple.
you just described his pressers almost word for word as well.. he's the smartest guy in the room & if you can't see that, shame on you..
& yes, this dope is in over his head..
I will agree he probably should have had the team better prepared in some games, but being an athlete myself the coach never made me want to play. It's on the player to be ready to play. I know people want to blame coaches for lack of prep when it's usually the players. Does Tom Brady need a coach to be motivated??
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He might just be in over his head. We should get a good look at him this year.
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i have 4 varsity letters & played college basketball.. i will agree an athlete should be self motivated, especially as you climb the ranks.. i like to think i was.. but a coach/manager has a role to play too.. part of that role, if not most, is to have his team ready to play balls to the wall every damn game.. hell, bowles is on record saying no game is more important than another & that's mathematically incorrect.. the guy is a dope..
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But the thing that is most bothersome to me is the players? I agree with everyone here that athletes should come already with some installed "motivation". It's the HC that needs to harness that motivation and enthusiasm/intelligence toward the goal the greater goal - in this case the Jets winning football games.
What I see is a lot of players that seem to take long periods of sleepwalking, like they are just going through the motions? No motivation just this REQUIREMENT to give the very minimal amount. It almost looks at times as though the team doesn't want to play for Toilet.
I have to tell you, I don't believe I have ever seen that before with a Jets HC, not anyone besides maybe Kotite? Herm was a terrible HC, but it always seemed like the players wanted to at least please him? The players would run through walls for Rex. The team always gave good effort under Mangini that I can remember? But with Toilet I see that very BAD tell tale sign of a player base that's disinterested? That is only playing this game because it's their job and they need to provide for their families? Not because they truly want to win a ring or even get into the playoffs?
Well it might be some on Bowles and some that the players the Jets have are just bad character players and need or needed to be gone.
The Jets were a joke last year in part because of the circus-like locker room. That must stop. Bowles needs to control this team both on and off the field. The first big test is going to come when Richardson does or says something incredibly stupid. Bowles must act swiftly and boldly by benching him for entire games. Don't even let him dress. That will hurt Richardson more than it will hurt the team and it will send a loud and clear message to the other players. And if he ever utters the words, 'anyone can oversleep' again, he should be fired on the spot.
outstanding post!! right to the point, spot on..
Fitz had a banner year in 2015, even above expectations. I thought he was good under Chan and good in his previous couple seasons in Houston, so I expected that to continue. He exceeded what I thought he would do.
That is largely to his credit, but Bowles and his offensive staff (including Gailey) also deserve some credit.
I think that's my point. Schedules aren't equal, but they do equal out. If you don't use a tough schedule as an excuse during a bad season, you likewise can't say a good season isn't legitimate because of a soft schedule. Nothing is absolute, or as black and white, as it sometimes can appear on a board like this.
So yes, I do contend Bowles gets some, not all, of the credit for 10-6. And he gets some, not all, of the blame for the 2016 disaster. That may not be what either the apologists or the haters want to hear, but it's where I continue to stand.
And if the Jets bench Richardson and lose a close game because the other team picked up a big first down on the ground to run out the clock, how many Jets fans will bash Bowles for not having Richardson on the field?
come on sack.. really??
anything is possible but i have the jets being a 3 to 5 win team this upcoming season.. & if we do stink, the more losses the better.. especially if petty & or hackenberg don't pan out.
if bowles is to get his locker room back, he can't continue to let richardson (or anyone else) do whatever the hell he/they feel like.. you yourself talked about bowles' lack of accountability in this very thread..
I'm on your side about Richardson, and about Bowles failing last year when it came to accountability. But I also guarantee some fans who want him to take a harder line on the players would rip into him if some guy he benched cost the team a game. You know that as well as I do.
I'm not a Bowles fan. He has too many flaws as a HC but if that loss helps us get a franchise QB he gets a high five from me.
And if Richardson continues to act like a fool, commit stupid penalties, not show up for meetings, not show up for walk-throughs but still plays and that leads to Adams, Maye, Jenkins and Burris doing the same?
Oh, I absolutely agree. The accountability is not there, and it needs to be.
That said, I still believe Bowles would get torched by fans if he took a harder line and it cost the team.