Real tough decision, glad I'm not making it.
2 new cases opened on Winston for Battery and Sexual Assault
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55 - do you have a link saying 2 new suits have been filed?
all i can find is that the woman from the prior case has now filed a civil suit. to me, this isn't surprising, and without opining on whether or not winston is guilty, i'd almost would have assumed this woman would file a civil suit given winston is about to become a rich man. again, this doesn't imply any guilt or innocence in the case, but to me, this news of a civil suit by the woman who previously pressed a criminal case doesn't come as a surprise.
as to a 2nd woman filing a case, i can't find anything on that
Rape accusations aside, I'm skeptical that Winston's immaturity would play well in NY. I think Mariota is a less risky pick for the Jets. Hypothetically, of course.
give me a sec. It was announced on Sirius this AM.
...here it is (the second allegation is "new" in the follow up civil case and may lead to a separate trial, from the reports I heard this AM):
Bucs say lawsuit doesn’t affect draft plans
Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2015, 9:31 PM EDT
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On Thursday, a lawsuit alleging sexual assault was filed against quarterback Jameis Winston. The contention was widely known for months, and a lawsuit always was considered to be a possibility.
So the Buccaneers weren’t surprised, and they apparently are undeterred. According to Roy Cummings of the Tampa Tribune, Buccaneers officials say that the lawsuit will have no impact on their draft plans.
Technically, this doesn’t mean the Bucs will be drafting Winston. It just means the lawsuit doesn’t change their plans. Whatever those plans may be.
Implicit in the information from Cummings is the notion that no portion of the lawsuit will change their plans, including the contention at paragraph 13 that “a second woman had come forward and reported being sexually assaulted by Winston.” Which implies that the Buccaneers knew about the second allegation, and that they properly studied it in reach the point at which the filing of the lawsuit won’t impact their draft plans.
It’s also possible that the lawsuit and the information in it will indeed impact the team’s draft plans, but that they’d never actually admit that with only two weeks to go until the draft.
Beyond what the Buccaneers knew then and what they know now is the public reaction to the lawsuit. That could ultimately change the team’s plans, regardless of whether they’ll ever admit that the plans have changed or could change.
If you can't beat him in the Court of Law, throw a Civil Suit against him for the $$$$$$$ ! Same thing the Goldman family threw @ O.J..
This GOLDIGGING B!tch smells money.
Please hurry Draft before I go crazy !:smiley-angry046:
Go Jets...Cyborg
This GOLDIGGING B!tch smells money.
Please hurry Draft before I go crazy !:smiley-angry046:
Go Jets...Cyborg
I wonder, if Winston is going to drop hard (past the 6 pick), how might that radically change the top of the draft for us?
Let's say our worst case is Mariota, Cooper, White, Fowler and Beasley are all gone. Williams isn't really a need so we might be looking at Ray or Dupree in this case. But at that point, does Gurley become a viable option? That would certainly be bold and might take away the sting of passing on Winston if you believe he's the next AP (minus the child abuse).
Let's say our worst case is Mariota, Cooper, White, Fowler and Beasley are all gone. Williams isn't really a need so we might be looking at Ray or Dupree in this case. But at that point, does Gurley become a viable option? That would certainly be bold and might take away the sting of passing on Winston if you believe he's the next AP (minus the child abuse).
OK, I'll be the guy who asks -- "Do we really not want Big Ben to be our QB for the next decade?"
I'm not saying the analogy is accurate, but if Winston could do what Ben does ON the field (while also doing what Ben does OFF the field) would we take him? If so, then these allegations are irrelevant -- just draft the guy if you feel his talent merits it. (Of course we'd have to see if the courts got involved, but I'm using Ben's experience as the template)
I have no problem taking a player's baggage into account, but if we feel he's got the tools to take us to the promised land, I could live with hating the person while loving the player (see #24 ) . . .
I'm not saying the analogy is accurate, but if Winston could do what Ben does ON the field (while also doing what Ben does OFF the field) would we take him? If so, then these allegations are irrelevant -- just draft the guy if you feel his talent merits it. (Of course we'd have to see if the courts got involved, but I'm using Ben's experience as the template)
I have no problem taking a player's baggage into account, but if we feel he's got the tools to take us to the promised land, I could live with hating the person while loving the player (see #24 ) . . .
I would never draft this guy even if he was free.
I don't know if he was making it up or not, but last week, Cimini said that Bowles loves Winston. If he somehow made it to 6, things should get interesting. I think Bowles is the type of coach who could get through to Winston and keep him in line, but Winston playing in the NY marketplace still scares me.
if Winston gets to 6 you have to take him
These lawsuits are not news - they are the logical extension of what already took place. Not new info.
This morning on ESPN radio they were talking about word that he was very high on wonderlick. The kid has poise. Can throw. Is not a system QB.
You take the man if he somehow drops - but he wont get to us.
These lawsuits are not news - they are the logical extension of what already took place. Not new info.
This morning on ESPN radio they were talking about word that he was very high on wonderlick. The kid has poise. Can throw. Is not a system QB.
You take the man if he somehow drops - but he wont get to us.
Totally understandable, but I'm scared that off-the-field issues stop us from taking a guy we've waited decades for. If they're that sold on his talent, I hope they grab him. (This isn't quite like Manziel because Winston is more capable of doing what an NFL QB needs to do). And if they're not totally sold on him, then I'd rather not chance the #6 on him, regardless of if he has baggage or not . . .
Cy, you are a smart man. One of the only, unfortunately.
Look everyone:
1) There is no new information here. nothing to see here at all. She was always going to sue and she was always going to wait until the eve of the draft to do it (leverage for a settlement and big pay day). But the bottom line is her ridiculous claims (I've already posted why they are somewhat laughable and won't waste my time doing it again) have already been dismissed by an FSU-hating district attorney and a retired supreme court justice.
2) This mystery 2nd accuser is almost assuredly nothing more than a bluff by the Kinsman party to get Jameis to settle to avoid the publicity. They have thrown the kitchen sink at this accusation since the beginning with lie after lie being exposed. Now this. It's not surprising. I will bet dollars to donuts that a 2nd assault never gets filed, because it doesn't exist.
3) Despite what you read on this board (and this exact thread) Winston has never once been accused of "beating women". The poster who conveniently added that into his post is fabricating it to embellish his point and should be ashamed of himself.
4) When it all shakes out I am very confident that Winston still goes #1 . Some of you need to take out the giant fish hook that is protruding through your cheek as we speak.
This is what the Kinsman party had as an objective all along. Get the all-too-willing media to sell some newspapers with a salacious story, and manipulate the general public to the point where Winston will open his wallet just to make it all go away. None of what she has reported has ever been proven to have an ounce of truth to it. And the counter is true where she has actually been caught in multiple lies.
Remember this last point as it is worth saying again: LOOK AT THE TIMING OF THIS. She is filing the lawsuit on the eve of the draft. If this was about justice, why wait for this precise moment? Nope, it's always been about a payday and it always will be.
Agreed. I wish as fans, we had access to the information that team investigators do. It would make things so much easier especially when making our own mock drafts
Mariota score 34, Peyton Manning scored 28, Winston scored 27, and Geno scored 24 on the Wonderlic...so he's smart, but not Mariota smart.
Also, Greg Cossell said Winston threw 18 INTs and had 13 INTs dropped last season that should have added to that total...
In terms of throwing accuracy, Mariota rated #2 in the nation for throwing "catchable balls."
Winston has on the field warts too.
As for Winston "not being a system QB," I keep hearing that, but the two guys from the same system before Winston, who were also "not system QBs," were EJ Manual and Christian Ponder...so them not being system QBs from Jimbo's system didnt seem to help their NFL transition much.
I wouldn't say Winston turning into Big Ben is a sure thing...there's just as much of a chance he's J. Russell, IMO.
I would draft this guy in a minute, seconds really. These are allegations that may not be true. Yes he has a checkered pass but most of these guys do. They just didn't get caught or no one complained on them. Think about the things these NFL stars did in the days when there were no internet and social media and cameras everywhere they turned. Can you imagine the stuff some of these guys did that they got away with because they never got caught or no one complained on them?
Winston has done some things out in the open that were broadcasted, had to be addressed and couldn't be denied. The supermarket crab legs crap, the school cafeteria shouting garbage, some of his on the field disputes with the coach and he brought this all on himself. I look at this as immaturity things that he should grow out of. We'll the on the field coach stuff disputes may continue because he is a intense and outspoken competitor but a true leader at the same time.
As far as the sexual assault go, it makes you want to throw-up if he did this but did he do it? It guess it will all come in the end as to what was what but your Big Ben example was spot on. With all Big Ben's BS, he is a franchise QB that can not be denied and I don't think there is one fan, teammate, coach or owner that is not happy he is playing for them. If we can get Winston, we could have the same type of player. Do you really want to pass up on that because I wouldn't.
Agreed. I wish as fans, we had access to the information that team investigators do. It would make things so much easier especially when making our own mock drafts
It would not matter. To many posters involved emotionally. A "con artist" quarterback takes the cake.
They can't take off the blinkers. I guess they can make her President of the Cleat Chasers Club if
she gets any kind of coin.
Well, you were doing well until you got here.
You are the FSU fan, so the only bias wouldn't be coming from someone who doesn't give a damn about Winston one way or the other...I think the Winston fan would be the biggest threat of making a bias post about him, hence the "he can do no wrong response."
Not only was he accused of beating her, but "false imprisonment." I think some additional education needs to occur with your great response. This should help (this isn't agenda posted by the poster, this is a fact based...):
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/erica-kinsman-sues-nfl-prospect-jameis-winston/2225851
"In a lawsuit filed Thursday afternoon in Orange County, Erica Kinsman of Zephyrhills accused Winston of sexual battery, assault, false imprisonment and intentionally inflicting "emotional distress."
He was never charged with beating a woman? Hmm, lets look at the definitions -
Sexual Assault - is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is coerced or physically forced to engage against their will, or any non-consensual sexual touching of a person. Sexual assault is a form of sexual violence, and it includes rape (such as forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration or drug facilitated sexual assault), groping, forced kissing, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the person in a sexual manner.
Assault - the act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person.
False Imprisonment - is a restraint of a person in a bounded area without justification or consent.
I honestly think your post was good until you injected your painfully bias opinion that included personal attacks...then it turned to crap quick.
There may be something here, there may be nothing here...none of us know...that's a fact. You read what you read and scream he's innocent. the smarter thing would be to say, the coast looks clear, but the continuous fires are a concern...and none of us know what really happened...not even if you're a fan of his, or not...