6 Things to Know About the Jets' RT Situation

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With Breno Giacomini on Active/PUP, Ben Ijalana & Brent Qvale Are Divvying Up the Reps

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How has Jets right tackle been shaping up this training camp? Ben Ijalana had a counterintuitive statement, considering he had just completed Saturday's practice in 105° heat index weather: "This preseason? It's been pretty cool so far."

With RT Breno Giacomini still on the Active/PUP list with back issues, head coach Todd Bowles and OL coach Steve Marshall have turned the job over to Ijalana and Brent Qvale. Here are six things to know about how the position battle has gone so far:

1. How are they dividing up the position?
Evenly. "Ben and I have been splitting reps up with the first team," Qvale said. "The coaches are really giving us an equal shot, so I'm definitely just trying to make the most out of my opportunity to show what I can do with the top unit." Ijalana said: "Our reps, I'd say they're exactly the same. We alternate days [with the ones] but at the end of the day we get the same reps, the same amount with the ones, the same with the twos, the same with the threes."

2. Who determines how many plays each gets?
It's somewhat of an NFL rarity but the coaches have turned the decisions of who goes in when to the players. "Coach Marshall lets us do it," Qvale said. "He trusts us and lets us go in and out between the first and second groups and figure it out between ourselves who's up and who's not. It always so far has ended up working out that it's even."


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3. How has the position held up through the first two weeks of training camp?
According to some observers and contrary to what other reporters and fans might have assumed, both Ijalana and Qvale have played well. "These aren't the guys you might think you'd see Week 1," said Big Ben, "but you should be comforted knowing that there's no change, nothing alarming, no lull in protection, no lull in the running game. And that should be encouraging, because our line has had some changeover. We lost two vets [D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Willie Colon] and if you're not noticing a drastic change, that's great for depth purposes. So I would tell people to just watch and keep believing."

4. Is it a position switch for both?
Yes, if you consider Ijalana had worked predominantly at LT behind Ferguson and Qvale had been a LT at Nebraska. Ijalana explained: "Although the assignments are the same, the technique's different, the body feel. Think about muscle memory and how many hundreds of thousands of sets I've taken on the left side and now I'm on the right side. It's just different. My body recognizes it's different. New things are sore on me."

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5. When will Giacomini return to action?
"There's a light" at the end of the tunnel, Bowles said Saturday, "but there's no timetable. ... He could be fine next week, he could take a couple of weeks, so we don’t know at this time."

6. If Breno can't go for the opener vs. Cincinnati, who gets the job?
Too soon to tell. Tale of the tape is interesting: Ijalana is 6'4", 322, Qvale 6'7", 315. Ijalana was a second-round pick (No. 49 overall) by Indy in 2011, Qvale was an undrafted free agent signed by the Jets after the '14 draft. Ijalana has been with the Jets since 2013 with only three games played and no starts, Qvale played in all 16 last year with one start as the third TE vs. Jacksonville. Ijalana started at RT vs. Jacksonville on Thursday night, swung over to LT and finished with 35 offensive plays. Qvale came in at RT and finished with ... 36 OPs.

"We'll see what happens Friday," Qvale said about the starting assignment at Washington. "All I can do is keep going out there when I get the chances and put good film out there."

"Although I haven't been in position to play in many games for this club, I've been on the team for that many years for a reason," Ijalana said. "I feel like there are no real slouches up here and if I wasn't any good, I wouldn't be on the club. I've had to earn my keep. So now I'm getting my opportunity to show something that I've known and maybe something that other people in the building have known. I'm getting that opportunity. Unfortunately, it came at the expense of a teammate being on PUP. But I'm just here to help the club."
 

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I really hope one of two takes the job and runs with it so we can dump Giacomini who has never impressed me.
 

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I really hope one of two takes the job and runs with it so we can dump Giacomini who has never impressed me.


Same here. Breno has been underwhelming in his short stint here. Easily replaceable.
 
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Same here. Breno has been underwhelming in his short stint here. Easily replaceable.

That said, he's also not anywhere near as bad as say Adrien Clarke. You talk about easily replaceable? That guy had to be replaced in the worst way. Now I agree Breno is not much, but I'm not so sure Qvale or Ijalana are ready either and I certainly do not want another Adrien Clarke around...
 

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To win this division, the Jets would need a) career years by a few key players and b) upgrades at several positions, including RT.

Putting Breno back in there is an acceptance of mediocrity. One of these two need to step up now for this season to work.
 
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To win this division, the Jets would need a) career years by a few key players and b) upgrades at several positions, including RT.

Putting Breno back in there is an acceptance of mediocrity. One of these two need to step up now for this season to work.

This is spot on and pretty much the exact reasoning as to why I think Revis is full of you know what when he claims the Jets are contenders....
 

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Some of these threads are like beating a dead horse. We all know how mediocre/poor Breno is, but how did Qvale grade vs Skins?
 

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Breno may be the worst of Idzik's moves. Bringing in a guy like that, with a big cap hit, from an organization where he had worked - it just all seemed wrong. It was.

I think Qvale held the offseason lead in this race, but Ben's caught up, it would appear. He must have quietly had a very strong offseason.
 
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Breno may be the worst of Idzik's moves. Bringing in a guy like that, with a big cap hit, from an organization where he had worked - it just all seemed wrong. It was.

I think Qvale held the offseason lead in this race, but Ben's caught up, it would appear. He must have quietly had a very strong offseason.

NO way..... You honestly think Breno was the worst move of the Idzik era???? What about Dee Milliner? A guy that can absolutely never stay healthy? What about Dex McDougle? Has this guy even played a down in a regular season game yet? What about Jalen Saunders?? A 4th rounder that was cut like a month into his first NFL campaign?

Breno meanwhile has actually contributed to the starting offense going on 3 seasons now.........
 

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NO way..... You honestly think Breno was the worst move of the Idzik era???? What about Dee Milliner? A guy that can absolutely never stay healthy? What about Dex McDougle? Has this guy even played a down in a regular season game yet? What about Jalen Saunders?? A 4th rounder that was cut like a month into his first NFL campaign?

Breno meanwhile has actually contributed to the starting offense going on 3 seasons now.........

Those guys have not contributed due to injury. It's debatable how much blame Idzik gets for that. They were also picks, and counted somewhat negligibly toward the cap. Sometimes, you miss on draft picks, and Idzik is absolute evidence of that.

Giacomini, on the other hand, was disastrous in two ways. For one, he signed to a 4 year/$18MM contract, much more than the draft picks counted against the cap. But what's worse, he was a complete departure from Idzik's strategy of deviating from free agent signings or overpaying for players. Idzik went cheap on a bunch of guys, but gave Giacomini a pretty sizable deal.
 
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Those guys have not contributed due to injury. It's debatable how much blame Idzik gets for that. They were also picks, and counted somewhat negligibly toward the cap. Sometimes, you miss on draft picks, and Idzik is absolute evidence of that.

Giacometti, on the other hand, was disastrous in two ways. For one, he signed to a 4 year/$18MM contract, much more than the draft picks counted against the cap. But what's worse, he was a complete departure from Idzik's strategy of deviating from free agent signings or overpaying for players. Idzik went cheap on a bunch of guys, but gave Giacomini a pretty sizable deal.

IDK Sack. "negligibly?" Over the 4 years of Miliner's contract he will be paid $12,661,101. His full 4.5 M is fully guaranteed this year.

Giacomini has collected, to this point, 8.5 M If he is cut from the roster the Jets will only have $1,250,000 in dead money.

Milliner had 5 surgeries while in college. Is it really a surprise he is always hurt? Whether he is on the team this year or not the Jets have to pay him $4,028,532.

The Milliner selection, as early in the draft as it was for a constantly injured player was a disaster
 
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Those guys have not contributed due to injury. It's debatable how much blame Idzik gets for that. They were also picks, and counted somewhat negligibly toward the cap. Sometimes, you miss on draft picks, and Idzik is absolute evidence of that.

Giacomini, on the other hand, was disastrous in two ways. For one, he signed to a 4 year/$18MM contract, much more than the draft picks counted against the cap. But what's worse, he was a complete departure from Idzik's strategy of deviating from free agent signings or overpaying for players. Idzik went cheap on a bunch of guys, but gave Giacomini a pretty sizable deal.

Not with Jalen Saunders it isn't. I don't believe Saunders was ever injured. He just sucked. So once again, you are being overly unfair to Breno. He's a MUCH better player than all of those bums I mentioned....
 

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Not with Jalen Saunders it isn't. I don't believe Saunders was ever injured. He just sucked. So once again, you are being overly unfair to Breno. He's a MUCH better player than all of those bums I mentioned....

He's a better player, absolutely. But a worse decision, considering the resources that went to him. And he certainly isn't a good enough player to merit Idzik completely departing from his own established philosophy.

You are right about Saunders not being injured, but he was also a fourth round pick. Teams make plenty of bad picks in the fourth round, even teams with good front offices.
 
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IDK Sack. "negligibly?" Over the 4 years of Miliner's contract he will be paid $12,661,101. His full 4.5 M is fully guaranteed this year.

Giacomini has collected, to this point, 8.5 M If he is cut from the roster the Jets will only have $1,250,000 in dead money.

Milliner had 5 surgeries while in college. Is it really a surprise he is always hurt? Whether he is on the team this year or not the Jets have to pay him $4,028,532.

The Milliner selection, as early in the draft as it was for a constantly injured player was a disaster

Wow, did Milliner get that much? I knew Breno's contract, but I thought even mid-firsts did not merit that kind of contract.

That is pretty bad, I'll admit. And Milliner definitely had injury concerns out of college.
 
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He's a better player, absolutely. But a worse decision, considering the resources that went to him. And he certainly isn't a good enough player to merit Idzik completely departing from his own established philosophy.

You are right about Saunders not being injured, but he was also a fourth round pick. Teams make plenty of bad picks in the fourth round, even teams with good front offices.

You're now grasping at straws....... Teams make plenty of bad decisions in the 4th round, yeah sure, but they do NOT cut those 4th rounders after only a month of regular season play. Jalen Saunders, in my estimation is the very worst pick Idzik ever made......
 
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Just as a side note, I heard today that Breno is no longer talking to the press. ??????????

Just a total guess, but I have a feeling that Breno's being on PUP, is a bit of a ploy while Todd auditions players for Breno's spot.

Like I said just a guess
 

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You're now grasping at straws....... Teams make plenty of bad decisions in the 4th round, yeah sure, but they do NOT cut those 4th rounders after only a month of regular season play. Jalen Saunders, in my estimation is the very worst pick Idzik ever made......

No, I'm not grasping at straws. And there are plenty of picks who get cut before the season begins, including fourths. As for it being "the very worst pick Idzik ever made," he only made picks in two drafts. So worst pick "ever" is a pretty small sample size.
 
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