6th pick too high for Guard from Notre Dame?

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Quenton Nelson
Notre Dame
Guard #56
6’5? 325


Notre Dame could very easily produce the top player at two spots on the offensive line this year.


Quenton Nelson is built like a house, but he moves like a ballerina. Very few human beings that weight 320+ pounds can move like Nelson does. The pure athleticism of Nelson would likely make him a 1st or 2nd round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft. However, Nelson attends Notre Dame, a college that has a track record of producing technical offensive linemen. Nelson fits perfectly into that mold, he very rarely has to rely on athleticism to get back into position.


Run Blocking


Unlike the tackle position just being a good pass protector won’t suffice in the NFL. Nelson excels as a run blocker, which isn’t a surprise at his size. The first place where Quenton Nelson excels is pad level, Nelson comes out of the blocks low and with great leverage. Coming from a college that asks offensive linemen to put a hand in the dirt is a huge advantage for players at Notre Dame.

When Nelson comes off the ball he does so with a ton of power. Double teams are regularly road graters, moving defensive linemen off the ball with ease. Even on solo blocks, he has enough power to blow defenders off the ball. However, Nelson’s game isn’t limited to power, he is surprisingly efficient at the 2nd and 3rd level of the defense. Nelson climbs to the second level while he remains smooth and square. Very rarely does he lunge to get a block, and he shows a good understanding of angles for cutoff blocks. You can tell when looking at the Notre Dame offensive line that they are very well coached.

Nelson also has some intangibles you look for in offensive linemen. Nelson has the awareness to find another defender to block once he finishes his first block. He also has the mean streak to try and finish every single block. Pancakes aren’t a “stat” that most track, but more so an indicator. If a lineman has a ton of pancake block it means that he values finishing his blocks.


Pass Blocking


One thing that benefits Quenton Nelson in his pass protection is his size. Standing at 6’5? 325 pounds, Nelson is too wide for defenders to go around in the trenches. Nelson also has enough size to anchor himself with ease, which makes it very difficult for the defender to get to the quarterback. Most guards that have the size Nelson posses struggle in space, however that may be one of Nelsons biggest selling points to NFL teams.

Nelson moves laterally very well for a guard, regardless of size. For someone of his stature, he moves with incredible agility. Nelson gets left alone on an island at Notre Dame, so he has to cover a lot of ground side to side against defenders, and he very rarely gets beat. There are occasions where he is beat, but that is because there is an unreal amount of grass for the defender.

Another place where he excels is stunt recognition. Many college offensive linemen cannot identify a stunt and want to stay locked on to their initial block. However, Nelson keeps his head on a swivel and does an excellent job of seeing looping defenders. Once Nelson has his hands on a defender it is game over. Nelson has vice grips for hands and can lock down anyone who gets near him.


Bottom Line


Quenton Nelson is more than likely going to be the first guard drafted in this year’s draft. The NFL doesn’t value interior offensive linemen like it should. However, Nelson has a shot to be drafted in the top 10. That says everything you need to know about just how talented Nelson is.

Pro Comp: Brandon Brooks, OG, Philadelphia Eagles

Round: 1st
would replace James Carpenter on the left side, he would be wasted on the right side of the line if we took him, but at 6 is that too high for this position?
 

Flyboys89

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This ones simple. No, it wouldn't be too high for the best overall player in the draft, AND a guy that fills a need. Our entire OL needs an upgrade and this guy can be our zack martin for the next 10 years.
 

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Take him at 6 and Price/Cole with our first 2nd. BAM! We have an OL. Maybe Rudolph lasts to the late 2nd. BAM! We have a QB.
 
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jetgreen13

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This ones simple. No, it wouldn't be too high for the best overall player in the draft, AND a guy that fills a need. Our entire OL needs an upgrade and this guy can be our zack martin for the next 10 years.
jet fans have heard plenty of that, twice in the last 3 years..

a non edge rusher, a box safety & now let's draft a guard at 6??

throw in the 215 pound LB, maccagnan can't get cute anymore..

he needs a QB at 6 or possibly higher..
 
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LIJETFAN

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I like him a lot. We need help on the interior desperately. It's not a headline grabbing pick, but it would be a good football pick.
 

jetgreen13

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I like him a lot. We need help on the interior desperately. It's not a headline grabbing pick, but it would be a good football pick.
oh i strongly disagree.. you don't believe grabbing a guard at 6, one year removed from taking a box safety at the same spot wouldn't be headline grabbing??

this, with a draft that reportedly has kids who can play QB all up & down the 1st round, while arguably having the worst QB situation from top to bottom in the NFL??
 

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It would grab negative headlines in all likelihood, so point taken...but I do believe they'd be getting a really good football player. I would rather us take a franchise QB of course..
 

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Take him at 6 and Price/Cole with our first 2nd. BAM! We have an OL. Maybe Rudolph lasts to the late 2nd. BAM! We have a QB.
I'd sign up for that, as long as they sign a vet for 1-2 years to train Rudolph (Who I think will emerge as the steal of this draft).
As for whether you are as crazy as we think you are, I'd still like to put that to a vote. :4:
Later
 

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I would be happy, particularly if Rosen, Barkley and Mayfield have already gone. Good O-linemen are at a premium, which is why we had to overpay Winters to prevent him from being stolen. We could pick up a QB who is a known quantity in free agency.

But this is the Jets and the top pick must go on defense.
 

Gramoah

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Our defense needs help too, especially in the backfield and we sure could use a genuine edge rusher but I suspect that you and I are riding on the same train here, Our offense needs help the most.
 

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It would grab negative headlines in all likelihood, so point taken...but I do believe they'd be getting a really good football player. I would rather us take a franchise QB of course..
do you have a favorite QB in the draft & would you.be willing to trade up for him??

personally, i believe it's almost a given the jets draft a QB in the 1st whether they trade up, move down or stay put..

unless we sign cousins..
 

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Nelson at 6th? In a heartbeat! LOG taken care of for the next 10 years. IF we don't sign Cousins in FA or the top 3 QB's are gone
 

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do you have a favorite QB in the draft & would you.be willing to trade up for him??

personally, i believe it's almost a given the jets draft a QB in the 1st whether they trade up, move down or stay put..

unless we sign cousins..

Jetgreen13, thanks for the question. I don't have a favorite QB at this point - I think they all have a lot of question marks. My opinion on this draft class was/is that the top QBs have been overhyped. There's no sure thing. It's a deeper class than normal, but it's not the 83 class either. The QBs that intrigue me at the top of this class are Darnold and Allen for different reasons. Rosen is by far the most polished passer in the class, but if the rumors about him are true - that he has an attitude and may be uncoachable, then obviously the Jets should pass on him. Mayfield has off the field issues, so I wouldn't consider him. The last thing the Jets need is another player with behavioral problems. Physically, his height is a concern, but it's not a deal breaker. For me, it's the off the field stuff and even his behavior on the field at times. I think Rudolph is interesting also - but need to see more of him. That conference doesn't play defense, so it's hard to tell if he can throw into tight NFL windows. He has prototypical skills generally. Good arm, size, mechanics and accuracy (throwing to wide open receivers).

Would I be willing to trade up? If the Jets have a very strong opinion on one of the QBs, they should trade up if they can. Of course, if they get Cousins in free agency, than that changes the game entirely. If the Jets don't get him, and they can make a move up, they should do it.

There were some QBs that elected to stay in school that I thought were interesting prospects - particularly the QBs from Missouri and Auburn. If they had come out, and the Jets took one of them in the second round, I think they both have great potential.
 
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Read something recently from Mel Kiper about Rosen that has me concerned, but may allow him to slip to us at #6. Kiper said that teams are wary of Rosen being able to stay on the field due to injury issues. He's already had a couple of concussions and skeletal injuries (knee, ankle?) that have kept him on the sidelines in the last couple of years. He is also not the sturdiest of athletes, but the most talented passer in the class. Will be interesting to see what happens come draft day.
 

jetgreen13

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Jetgreen13, thanks for the question. I don't have a favorite QB at this point - I think they all have a lot of question marks. My opinion on this draft class was/is that the top QBs have been overhyped. There's no sure thing. It's a deeper class than normal, but it's not the 83 class either. The QBs that intrigue me at the top of this class are Darnold and Allen for different reasons. Rosen is by far the most polished passer in the class, but if the rumors about him are true - that he has an attitude and may be uncoachable, then obviously the Jets should pass on him. Mayfield has off the field issues, so I wouldn't consider him. The last thing the Jets need is another player with behavioral problems. Physically, his height is a concern, but it's not a deal breaker. For me, it's the off the field stuff and even his behavior on the field at times. I think Rudolph is interesting also - but need to see more of him. That conference doesn't play defense, so it's hard to tell if he can throw into tight NFL windows. He has prototypical skills generally. Good arm, size, mechanics and accuracy (throwing to wide open receivers).

Would I be willing to trade up? If the Jets have a very strong opinion on one of the QBs, they should trade up if they can. Of course, if they get Cousins in free agency, than that changes the game entirely. If the Jets don't get him, and they can make a move up, they should do it.

There were some QBs that elected to stay in school that I thought were interesting prospects - particularly the QBs from Missouri and Auburn. If they had come out, and the Jets took one of them in the second round, I think they both have great potential.
thanks for the detailed response LI..

if nothing else, this off season will be interesting..
 

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He's a top 5 talent so no, 6 isn't too high.
It's all dependant on free agency and who is on the board at 6. If Barkley is there it's hard to pass on him or one of the top QBs if they fall but if not, he makes perfect sense at 6.
Price would be a great compliment to him, but he may not be available in round 2.
 

jetgreen13

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He's a top 5 talent so no, 6 isn't too high.
It's all dependant on free agency and who is on the board at 6. If Barkley is there it's hard to pass on him or one of the top QBs if they fall but if not, he makes perfect sense at 6.
Price would be a great compliment to him, but he may not be available in round 2.
what QB/QBs would you pass on at 6 to take the guard??
 
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