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I think the Jets did too. And the Pats. And the Eagles. But he refuses to.
A look back at the Tim Tebow to Jets trade on the 3-year anniversary
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I think the Jets did too. And the Pats. And the Eagles. But he refuses to.
can you please point to the part of my post where i blamed tebow?
as to the famous pittsburgh playoff game, yes, he did complete the pass to thomas that won the game. congrats to him. prior to that pass, at the end of regulation, tebow was 9-20 (45% completion rate) for 236 yards. yup, that's some great QB'ing there...
as to more success at the QB position than we've had in 6 or 8 years, you do realize that mark sanchez had a 4-2 playoff record and went to 2 afc title games. tebow was 1-1. and it seems you forgot the following week after the great pittsburgh game where he went 9-26 for 136 yards in a 45-10 shellacking by NE.
Agree with the end of the post 10000000%.
As for the rest, I just feel people overblow the (negative) impact he had here. The whole "circus" never materialized beyond the first few days of the signing, and Mark would have been split out wide whether it was Tebow or Brad Smith behind center. I honestly don't believe the trade itself was that detrimental to the team -- we just had a CS that turned it into one . . .
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ucrenegade
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8-6 17 td's 9 picks qb rating 75.3
37-33 82 td's 80 int's qb rating 74.1 career as a jet 33-29 68 td's 69 int's qb rating 71.7
not sure what qb you wanted but the first looks like a better qb than the second to me. I am sure you can deduce who is who.
well i'm not really trying to make the case for sanchez. he had his shot and it was time to move on. however, he had much more success in the playoffs than timmy ever did.
as to tebow, he had to run a very limited playbook because he really isn't capable of doing things like....you know....throwing the ball. and i notice you didn't address his playoff stats i posted above. taking away the one nice pass he made against an all out blitz, in the 2 playoff games he played in, he was a combined 18-46 for 372 yards.
but i guess it's the fact that he's religious that none of the nfl teams will sign him and not because he absolutely sucks as a quarterback...
as to tebow, he had to run a very limited playbook because he really isn't capable of doing things like....you know....throwing the ball. and i notice you didn't address his playoff stats i posted above. taking away the one nice pass he made against an all out blitz, in the 2 playoff games he played in, he was a combined 18-46 for 372 yards.
but i guess it's the fact that he's religious that none of the nfl teams will sign him and not because he absolutely sucks as a quarterback...
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ucrenegade
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so you would rather have a qb that has 60 percent completion and 10 td's 13 int's 6-10 record compared to a qb that has a 50 percent completion 10 td's 6 int's 9-7 record?
got it so as long as the qb passes below 50 percent it don't matter if his numbers are better than someone who completes 60 percent of the passes he is just worse even though his record is better
it's a good thing the nfl doesn't use wins and losses as the barometer.
renegade the problem with tebow is no team is gonna build a gimmick/antiquated offense around a bad QB..
who wants to sign up for that??
yeah he's polarizing but that wouldn't matter if he could ball..
he can't..
i'm not even sure what these numbers represent.
i know what my eyeballs tell me. and they tell me tim tebow SUCKS as a QB in the nfl.
and it seems that every coach and GM in the league agrees, because tim tebow did not play in the nfl last year and doesn't appear to be able to find a team that will let him play in the nfl this year. and since we are talking about a league that employs women beaters, child beaters, drunks and drug addicts, i'm somehow doubting that tebow's religion is the reason he's not on an nfl team. but my guess is that it is playing a factor in your support of him, which is your right.
but no honest evaluator of talent can look at tim tebow and think he has what it takes to be a QB in the nfl.
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sg3
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Really glad that my days of arguing with Renegade about Tebow are long ago and in the rear view mirror. The place where they took place is even defunct.
Meanwhile, renegade is right...3 years later and our starting QB is still the worst in the NFL and regressing
Hopefully that sad chapter of Jet QB history ends in 2015 when Fitzpatrick, Simms and a draft pick occupy the Jets position behind center
Meanwhile, renegade is right...3 years later and our starting QB is still the worst in the NFL and regressing
Hopefully that sad chapter of Jet QB history ends in 2015 when Fitzpatrick, Simms and a draft pick occupy the Jets position behind center
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ucrenegade
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actually no the religion is not why i like him. The reason i like him is because in all his life he was told he couldn't play first it was baseball in the little leagues and he became one of the best, then they told him he couldn't play qb in high school and he led his team to the state championships, then they told him he won't make it in college as a qb and he led florida to two championships, then they told him he wouldn't make it in the nfl as a qb but then he led denver to one of the most historical comebacks in the season.
i like him because he has heart and defies the odds and continues to succeed despite the doubters.
of course it only works with people that give him a fair chance and yes you do have to play to some of his strengths but if it works and you win who cares.
I would take my chance playing to his strengths over geno and sanchez any day.
apologies for mistakenly assuming your advocacy for tebow was based on his religion.
i respect what tebow achieved in college. he will go down in history as one of the greatest collegiate players of all time.
however, i'm interested in finding an nfl quarterback who can run an nfl offense. and while geno very well may not be the answer, and i had no problem moving on from sanchez, i have even less interest in seeing tebow attempt to play QB for the professional team i root for. and given no nfl coach has an interest in even adding him to their roster now going on 2 years, my guess is that the guys who get paid to evaluate talent and win football games don't think he can play QB in the league either. hard work and determination count for something, but you need some basic skills to succeed in the nfl, especially at the most important position on the field. you need to be able to actually throw a ball accurately and read defenses, two things tebow severely lacks in ability. in the 13 games tebow has started in the nfl (inlcuding playoffs), only 3 times has he completed over half his passes. for his career, he has a 48% completion rate (40% in the playoffs).
sorry, but that is not an nfl QB
i respect what tebow achieved in college. he will go down in history as one of the greatest collegiate players of all time.
however, i'm interested in finding an nfl quarterback who can run an nfl offense. and while geno very well may not be the answer, and i had no problem moving on from sanchez, i have even less interest in seeing tebow attempt to play QB for the professional team i root for. and given no nfl coach has an interest in even adding him to their roster now going on 2 years, my guess is that the guys who get paid to evaluate talent and win football games don't think he can play QB in the league either. hard work and determination count for something, but you need some basic skills to succeed in the nfl, especially at the most important position on the field. you need to be able to actually throw a ball accurately and read defenses, two things tebow severely lacks in ability. in the 13 games tebow has started in the nfl (inlcuding playoffs), only 3 times has he completed over half his passes. for his career, he has a 48% completion rate (40% in the playoffs).
sorry, but that is not an nfl QB
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ucrenegade
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i agree and if he had a 1-8 career record and 48 qb rating to go with his 48% completion rate and 2 td's to 10 int's but their is always one exception to a rule and i think in this case it is tebow.
17 td's 9 picks who wouldn't want a qb like that 8-6 W-L record 75 career qb rating like i said yes you have to build a defense around him but in the end he wins. yes you have to play to his strengths somewhat but you do that and it still is a proven winning formula in his case maybe not everyones but in his case he just wins.
well it seems the answer to your question is none of the nfl's 32 teams want a QB like that
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ucrenegade
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yeah which leads me to believe their is another reason (blacklisted)?
In my opinion, Tebow may be a "winner" in his previous gigs but the NFL is a different animal. The cream of the crop rises and Tebow isn't good.
He isn't blacklisted, for what reason?
The problem with him is that you have to change an entire system to fit him. That's hard to do in the NFL. Once that system is eventually figured out, then what? Change it again? What about all the guys you drafted to fit that system?
QBs need to be able to adapt, not the other way around. I know what I am asking Gailey to do for Geno is essentially what you're asking teams to do for Tebow but it's a bit different. Geno can make all the throws, Tebow can't. Problem with Geno is that he can't read defenses.
He isn't blacklisted, for what reason?
The problem with him is that you have to change an entire system to fit him. That's hard to do in the NFL. Once that system is eventually figured out, then what? Change it again? What about all the guys you drafted to fit that system?
QBs need to be able to adapt, not the other way around. I know what I am asking Gailey to do for Geno is essentially what you're asking teams to do for Tebow but it's a bit different. Geno can make all the throws, Tebow can't. Problem with Geno is that he can't read defenses.
or you are ignoring the obvious which is that none of the 32 nfl teams think he is capable of being an nfl QB
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ucrenegade
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that could be also i obv am not saying i know better than them I am just giving a opinion on why i think he is the exception to the rule if you work with his strengths and are willing to adapt most prob are not, like you said they want a peyton,brees,or rodgers which i do to.........but considering we had sanchez tebow should have been given a chance.
If we had a rodgers or a brees I would have said it was stupid to bring him in also but for where we were and who we had it wasn't a bad thing to give him a try...........if anything rex runs the perfect offense for him alot of running and short throws and letting the qb improvise.
Really? A player under contract can refuse a coach's direction?