Acquiring our Franchise QB...

[mydogisajetsfan]

There appears to be a fascination with trading up to #1 or #2 to nab THE QB. I just don't see how that's going to help the Rams or Eagles. The Eagles have holes all over their roster and it's senseless to me to give up so many picks for a guy like Goff (or Wentz). Let's look at the last time a team traded the house for their guy. The 2012 draft included:

#1 Luck - Starter
#2 Griffin - STINKS
#8 Tannenhill - STINKS
#22 Weeden - STINKS
#57 Osweiller - ???
#75 R. Wilson - Super Bowl Winner
#88 Foles - Backup
#102 Cousins - STARTER

So despite giving up the farm, the Skins struck out on RG III and actually drafted their current starter in round 4. Of all of these guys only a third round choice has taken his team to the holy land.

Between Cook, Hackenberg, Prescott, Lynch and Sudfeld at least one of them will be better than Goff or Wentz. Keep your picks and knock the draft out of the park. And trade Mo for more picks!

 

[jetgreen13]

There appears to be a fascination with trading up to #1 or #2 to nab THE QB. I just don't see how that's going to help the Rams or Eagles. The Eagles have holes all over their roster and it's senseless to me to give up so many picks for a guy like Goff (or Wentz). Let's look at the last time a team traded the house for their guy. The 2012 draft included:

#1 Luck - Starter
#2 Griffin - STINKS
#8 Tannenhill - STINKS
#22 Weeden - STINKS
#57 Osweiller - ???
#75 R. Wilson - Super Bowl Winner
#88 Foles - Backup
#102 Cousins - STARTER

So despite giving up the farm, the Skins struck out on RG III and actually drafted their current starter in round 4. Of all of these guys only a third round choice has taken his team to the holy land.

Between Cook, Hackenberg, Prescott, Lynch and Sudfeld at least one of them will be better than Goff or Wentz. Keep your picks and knock the draft out of the park. And trade Mo for more picks!

that's been the word on the JFU streets the last couple of months..

wentz & goff are not light years ahead of kids that will be picked near/in the middle of the draft..

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

There appears to be a fascination with trading up to #1 or #2 to nab THE QB. I just don't see how that's going to help the Rams or Eagles. The Eagles have holes all over their roster and it's senseless to me to give up so many picks for a guy like Goff (or Wentz). Let's look at the last time a team traded the house for their guy. The 2012 draft included:

#1 Luck - Starter
#2 Griffin - STINKS
#8 Tannenhill - STINKS
#22 Weeden - STINKS
#57 Osweiller - ???
#75 R. Wilson - Super Bowl Winner
#88 Foles - Backup
#102 Cousins - STARTER

So despite giving up the farm, the Skins struck out on RG III and actually drafted their current starter in round 4. Of all of these guys only a third round choice has taken his team to the holy land.

Between Cook, Hackenberg, Prescott, Lynch and Sudfeld at least one of them will be better than Goff or Wentz. Keep your picks and knock the draft out of the park. And trade Mo for more picks!

You're basing this assumption on past history. I haven't heard one NFL draft observer say that any of those other QB's will be better than either Wentz or Goff. With some very specific exceptions, everyone thinks Goff and Wentz are the best QB's in this draft.

You give every NFL team a choice of any QB in this draft, I'll bet over 90% take either Goff or Wentz.

That's not to say that Hackenberg or Cook or Lynch won't be good. But the odds are more in favor of Goff and Wentz being franchise QB's.

 

[Perseus]

Brandon Allen of Arkansas is this years draft sleeper. I've been watching him since the regular season and I think I'm seeing an overlooked, special player.

Here's Daniel Jeremiah talking about him:


Watch him shred ole miss:

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[mydogisajetsfan]

You're basing this assumption on past history. I haven't heard one NFL draft observer say that any of those other QB's will be better than either Wentz or Goff. With some very specific exceptions, everyone thinks Goff and Wentz are the best QB's in this draft.

You give every NFL team a choice of any QB in this draft, I'll bet over 90% take either Goff or Wentz.

That's not to say that Hackenberg or Cook or Lynch won't be good. But the odds are more in favor of Goff and Wentz being franchise QB's.

Do you think any pundit would have said that Wilson or Cousins would have been better than RGIII? The point is the well run teams would NOT have traded the boatload of picks for RGIII.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Why do we have to waste a pick on a QB?? Don't pick one just because we are hoping to strike gold. If there isn't a QB that Mac likes then don't waste a pick on one.


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[BlindsideD'Brick]

Do you think any pundit would have said that Wilson or Cousins would have been better than RGIII? The point is the well run teams would NOT have traded the boatload of picks for RGIII.

There are always exceptions to the rule. And those exceptions are Brady, Wilson, and to a lesser degree Cousins. There's much more potential "Boom" to a top 5 QB than "Bust".

With that said, the cost of moving up is insane, and does carry the risk of getting another RG3. That type of move can potentially set a team back years.

 

[Mainejet]

The argument goes that a team must have a 'franchise QB' to compete regularly for the Super Bowl. That may be true but the bigger picture is drafting a franchise QB doesn't require moving to the top 10 picks to do it. In fact, the only successful example of such a trade was the G-men moving up to take Eli. After that, how many other franchise QB's were even top 10 picks? One. The other Manning. The others...:

Tom Brady - 199th
Aaron Rodgers - 24th
Drew Brees - 32nd
Joe Flacco - 18th
Russell Wilson - 75th
Ben Roethlisberger - 11th

General Managers and other front office types would like us to believe that the draft is a science. That due to their intense research they have identified exactly who will succeed and who will not. Of course we all know that's a bunch of crap. We're all excited about having Mac running the show especially after years of Bradway's extreme ineptitude, myself included. Now Mac has to do his homework and find the rare gem in the middle of the first round, second round, fifth round, wherever.

Moving up to take Goff or Wentz would have been a terrible move.

It's a crap shoot. Nothing more impressive than that. There are a few sure bets like the Mannings were and Andrew Luck, but for the most part it's all about throwing sh*t at a wall and seeing what sticks.

Just the same, this is a chance that any organization has to make. If you have a chance at a franchise QB, you must take that chance.

As far as the Jets are concerned, I think Paxton Lynch could quite possibly be within our reach. If Mac selected him, I would applaud that move.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

There are always exceptions to the rule. And those exceptions are Brady, Wilson, and to a lesser degree Cousins. There's much more potential "Boom" to a top 5 QB than "Bust".

With that said, the cost of moving up is insane, and does carry the risk of getting another RG3. That type of move can potentially set a team back years.

Do you think that that happened to the Jets in moving up to get Sanchez? Or was it worth it considering we did at least make it to two AFC champ games?

 

[mykcuz]

You're basing this assumption on past history. I haven't heard one NFL draft observer say that any of those other QB's will be better than either Wentz or Goff. With some very specific exceptions, everyone thinks Goff and Wentz are the best QB's in this draft.

You give every NFL team a choice of any QB in this draft, I'll bet over 90% take either Goff or Wentz.

That's not to say that Hackenberg or Cook or Lynch won't be good. But the odds are more in favor of Goff and Wentz being franchise QB's.

That's because Noone knows the future, the draft is a gamble. You can do research and listen to experts, but anyone can win, until the race ends, any horse can win.

How many experts knew Brady was a super bowl qb and Ryan leaf was going to jail?

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[BlindsideD'Brick]

Do you think that that happened to the Jets in moving up to get Sanchez? Or was it worth it considering we did at least make it to two AFC champ games?

Tannenbaum was swinging for the fences, and fell in love with a big school QB who had limited success at USC. Sanchez was getting a lot of love right around the draft, and Tanny obviously felt he needed to take that chance.

I thought Sanchez played pretty well for the Jets in 2009 and 2010. He had a lot of help around him and a solid defense. That certainly had something to do with it. Obviously the wheels came off the rest of his time with the Jets, but I still think that was a gamble worth taking. Tanny showed some guts in that trade.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

That's because Noone knows the future, the draft is a gamble. You can do research and listen to experts, but anyone can win, until the race ends, any horse can win.

How many experts knew Brady was a super bowl qb and Ryan leaf was going to jail?

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Right, I'm not disagreeing that there's risk involved in any draft pick. But if I have the opportunity to draft either Wentz or Goff, and I'm a team that needs a franchise QB, I'm taking one of them without even blinking. If I'm picking at #20, and I'm still that same team with the same need, I'm weighing my options a little more with Lynch, Hackenberg, or Cook.