Acquiring our Franchise QB...

[mydogisajetsfan]

The argument goes that a team must have a 'franchise QB' to compete regularly for the Super Bowl. That may be true but the bigger picture is drafting a franchise QB doesn't require moving to the top 10 picks to do it. In fact, the only successful example of such a trade was the G-men moving up to take Eli. After that, how many other franchise QB's were even top 10 picks? One. The other Manning. The others...:

Tom Brady - 199th
Aaron Rodgers - 24th
Drew Brees - 32nd
Joe Flacco - 18th
Russell Wilson - 75th
Ben Roethlisberger - 11th

General Managers and other front office types would like us to believe that the draft is a science. That due to their intense research they have identified exactly who will succeed and who will not. Of course we all know that's a bunch of crap. We're all excited about having Mac running the show especially after years of Bradway's extreme ineptitude, myself included. Now Mac has to do his homework and find the rare gem in the middle of the first round, second round, fifth round, wherever.

Moving up to take Goff or Wentz would have been a terrible move.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

The argument goes that a team must have a 'franchise QB' to compete regularly for the Super Bowl. That may be true but the bigger picture is drafting a franchise QB doesn't require moving to the top 10 picks to do it. In fact, the only successful example of such a trade was the G-men moving up to take Eli. After that, how many other franchise QB's were even top 10 picks? One. The other Manning. The others...:

Tom Brady - 199th
Aaron Rodgers - 24th
Drew Brees - 32nd
Joe Flacco - 18th
Russell Wilson - 75th
Ben Roethlisberger - 11th

General Managers and other front office types would like us to believe that the draft is a science. That due to their intense research they have identified exactly who will succeed and who will not. Of course we all know that's a bunch of crap. We're all excited about having Mac running the show especially after years of Bradway's extreme ineptitude, myself included. Now Mac has to do his homework and find the rare gem in the middle of the first round, second round, fifth round, wherever.

Moving up to take Goff or Wentz would have been a terrible move.

Just for argument's sake, do you feel better about Connor Cook or Dak Prescott than Wentz or Goff? If you had to put money down on it, who do you think has the greatest chance of being a franchise QB?

Keep in mind, I'm not calling Wentz or Goff a slam dunk. There have been plenty of examples of draft experts being wrong. But if I proposed to you this scenario: you can have any QB in this draft.

Who are you most confident taking?

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

Just for argument's sake, do you feel better about Connor Cook or Dak Prescott than Wentz or Goff? If you had to put money down on it, who do you think has the greatest chance of being a franchise QB?

Keep in mind, I'm not calling Wentz or Goff a slam dunk. There have been plenty of examples of draft experts being wrong. But if I proposed to you this scenario: you can have any QB in this draft.

Who are you most confident taking?

I'm not sure who I would take. But I know I wouldn't trade several first rounders plus a second or two and a third or two to take Goff or Wentz. Or put another way, I would take Lynch, plus an OL, plus an OLB plus an ILB plus whatever else I may need.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I'm not sure who I would take. But I know I wouldn't trade several first rounders plus a second or two and a third or two to take Goff or Wentz. Or put another way, I would take Lynch, plus an OL, plus an OLB plus an ILB plus whatever else I may need.

I don't think the Jets offered as much as the Rams did draft pick wise. Mainly because they presumably threw Wilkerson into the deal. But regardless, it's risky no matter what you do. You give up a lot for one of the top rated QB's, or you take a chance on guys like Lynch, Hackenberg, or Cook in round 2.

No right or wrong answer. It'll be interesting to see what Macc does assuming this Fitz situation drags on.

 

[butterscotch]

Look the point is the Jets (Big mac & crew) need to get him. Trade up trade down 5th round they need to get him

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Look the point is the Jets (Big mac & crew) need to get him. Trade up trade down 5th round they need to get him

What if he isn't in this draft?? We tried it with Sanchez and that went horribly wrong.

 

[McJet]

Dak Prescott. That's the qb i want the Jets to take.

 

[gmf1369]

of all the developmental quarterbacks in this draft Kevin Hogan, Dak Prescott & Jacoby Brissett are worth taking a flier on... yes I believe Wentz, Goff and Lynch are developmental prospects at this point in time so why waste a 1st round on a prospect that are what ifs at this point... any good coach, could develop the right prospect into a potential superstar ie; Tom Brady (6th Rd), Russell Wilson (3rd Rd) are a couple examples and believe of the three Prescott is far best with Brissett and Hogan tied for a close second...

 

[flgreen]

What if he isn't in this draft?? We tried it with Sanchez and that went horribly wrong.

This is the problem. I honestly can't say there is really a QB in this draft I can see a GM falling in love with.

See who's around in the 4th again this year, if you have value, take him.

Please just don't reach early because it's a QB. Don't give two drafts away for any QB's with loads of ????????

 

[flgreen]

Correction. obviously the Ram's did

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

I don't think the Jets offered as much as the Rams did draft pick wise. Mainly because they presumably threw Wilkerson into the deal. But regardless, it's risky no matter what you do. You give up a lot for one of the top rated QB's, or you take a chance on guys like Lynch, Hackenberg, or Cook in round 2.

No right or wrong answer. It'll be interesting to see what Macc does assuming this Fitz situation drags on.

I think the key takeaway here is that it seems the Titans are interested in Wilkerson. It makes sense for them. With the bounty of picks they now have, a trade makes sense for both teams. I think two of their second rounders sounds about right. If not, how about a second, third and fourth. That's seven picks in the first four rounds.

That certainly gives the team the opportunity to go after a QB AND fill several holes. How about Lynch in the first, OL and OLB in the second, ILB and CB in the third and G and RB in the fourth. Mac would be a hero with that haul.

 

[butterscotch]

What if he isn't in this draft?? We tried it with Sanchez and that went horribly wrong.

Then go outside the draft

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Then go outside the draft

And what team is letting go of a franchise QB?? I know the answer.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

And what team is letting go of a franchise QB?? I know the answer.

It takes more than a good GM to land a franchise QB. Sometimes it takes favorable draft positioning (top 3-4 pick), and a lot of times its just good luck. GM's get way too much credit for making no brainer draft picks. And they get crucified for making picks that made sense to everyone at the time, and didn't work out.

 

[butterscotch]

It takes more than a good GM to land a franchise QB. Sometimes it takes favorable draft positioning (top 3-4 pick), and a lot of times its just good luck. GM's get way too much credit for making no brainer draft picks. And they get crucified for making picks that made sense to everyone at the time, and didn't work out.

I agree! But they still need to do it The good ones & the lucky ones do. Look there is a Warner out there somewhere....Just do it

 

[jets82]

We may already have that gem in Petty. He may need another year on the bench to learn (HOPEFULLY NOT) but give the kid a shot eventually. As long as he earned it ofcourse. Other then that, I agree that these franchise QBs can and have been found for the most part in the later rounds but that hasn't happened for us in decades. That's the saddest part of it but we aren't the only team that's suffering like this. If I'm correct, Broadway Joe was a 1st rounder and Ken Obrien.

Now we all know Joe is a HOFer but Obrien was not, not IMO anyway. Can't remember when Todd was drafted but I do believe we had a franchise QB in Pennington, if his injuries wouldn't have killed his career. I doubt he would have been a HOFer but a franchise QB, I do believe Pennington would have been for us. This QB thing is like being happily married or winning the lotto or driving drunk continuously and not getting caught. The chances of it happening is damn near impossible!

 

[SackExchange]

My sense is that the organization has a longer view than most fans do. I believe most fans want the team to make a run at the playoffs this upcoming year.

Is it possible the schedule may have impacted the Jets' plans? With such a brutal schedule, it is possible the team is willing to take a step back in terms of record, but all for the greater good. Almost every fan is about the short-term. But if the Jets knew that with or without Fitz, they would be hard pressed to replicate last year's 10-6 record with the schedule they have, do you draft a young QB and hand him the reins? After all, the team may not truly be a contender either way, so you may as well take the year to develop a QB if you are going to be an 8 or 9 win team regardless.

Plus, this is a good situation for a young QB. Gailey's offense would work for the top three QBs out there, the team has brought in productive veterans at RB and WR, the OL addressed the hole left by D'Brick. You could bring in a rookie QB into a situation like this, and he would be in a safe environment, if not necessarily a spectacular one.

Have your QB cut his teeth this year while you didn't have much of a chance, anyway, and perhaps you develop the type of franchise QB that sets up your team for the next dozen years or so.

 

[gmf1369]

Bryce Petty has potential but the concerns he had out of college still plague him today and puts question marks on if he will take the next step...

The organization now doesn't have any ties to Geno Smith, and even tho he has one year remaining he is more than likely gone if the team signs a free agent and drafts a prospect...

That being said the Jets don't have that starter potential right now... Could Petty take that next step, maybe... Fans hope so, Coaches and Front Office personnel also hope so... Nothing is guaranteed in this league, but the best move the Jets could do is bring in more talent for the position and develop them to see who wants it and takes the job... Is that prospect (QB) a 1st round or 5th round who cares as long as he comes in willing to develop his game, flaws and wants it...

I don't think Wentz, Goff or Lynch is the answer... I could be wrong but they don't fill me up with confidence when I watch their tape then look at the game plan we executed last season... I believe there are two mid round prospects in Prescott and Brissett that are more comparable to what we need in a quarterback... Cook, reminds me of a poor mans Mark Sanchez... While Hackenberg has all the potential in the world but has not been properly groomed after O'Brien jumped back into the NFL... As for Cardale Jones, consider him a poor man's poor man version of Cam Newton...

 

[lounap23]

Dak Prescott. That's the qb i want the Jets to take.

Tebow 2.0 in my opinion.. He isn't accurate enough... His mechanics need work. His pocket presence is below average

Give me Connor Cook

Or Christian Hackenburg - he might be the sleeper of this draft

 

[lounap23]

If he is good enough for Gruden, he is good enough for me

Jon Gruden will be “shocked” if Hackenberg isn’t a first-round pick

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PFT -- Jon Gruden is only nine days away from taking a figurative (or maybe literal) whiz on an electric fence.
In an item posted earlier today on ESPN.com’s premium Insider service, the former Buccaneers and Raiders coach says this about Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg: “I’ll be shocked if Hackenberg is not a first-round pick. The biggest surprise to me on Hackenberg is that no one is really talking about him in the first round. This was the No. 1 prospect in the nation a few years ago and someone who showed during his freshman year he could produce at a high level in a true NFL-style offense. What he showed during that first year at Penn State — before the coaching change, before the system change, before all the things that derailed him — would be enough for me to take this guy early. This man can run a 4.7-second 40, he is tough as hell and he works relentlessly. He just has to get in the right system with the right people and refocus on the small details.”

Gruden specifically praised Hackenberg for his ability to pick up former Penn State coach Bill O’Brien’s offense as a freshman.

“Hackenberg threw for 3,000 yards as an 18-year-old kid in an NFL offense that is hard to execute,” Gruden writes. “I do not think people are giving him enough credit for that. The alert signals they had when Bill O’Brien was coaching him were straight out of the New England Patriots playbook. You might see 12-15 alerts per game. The quarterback’s control at the line of scrimmage was similar to the Patriots’. We all have seen Tom Brady point to his temples countless times at the line of scrimmage. They had the same alerts and mannerisms at Penn State. For a freshman to be given that type of autonomy at the line of scrimmage is unusual. When you see the same plays from the same formations that the Patriots are running, with the same audible mannerisms, you are like, ‘Wow, this is cool.'”

It’s not cool that the rest of Gruden’s takeaways on Hackenberg are hidden behind a paywall, but the first two are strong enough to get plenty of attention at a time when few are talking about Hackenberg as a top quarterback prospect.

The naysayers include ESPN’s top two draft experts. In December, Mel Kiper said that Hackenberg should consider returning to school for another season. Todd McShay said this about Hackenberg: “With a 53.3 percent completion rate this season, he’s simply not accurate enough to warrant first-round consideration.”

Coincidentally or not, Gruden’s remarks are coming to light the same day that his brother’s team is hosting Hackenberg. It’s fairly clear what Washington’s pick would be if the elder Gruden were the team’s head coach.

If nothing else, it should make for an interesting discussion between Gruden and Kiper on the ESPN set as Hackenberg slides toward Washington’s selection, and likely beyond.