AFC East Oline Ratings from Sirius Radio

[Green Jets & Ham]

I think the biggest concern OT depth.

No doubt, and I think we have a guy starting for us at RT (Breno) who is nothing more than backup material if we were not so weak at the position. He's what Parcells used to call a "Hold the Fort Guy", meaning a guy who is competent enough to hold the fort at the position until we can find a real solution.

As for LT, its obvious Brick's game is slipping, I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping we can get another decent year out of him without getting the QB's killed, so they can have enough time to make some plays down the field, but we're gonna be looking for a starting LT real soon, perhaps as early as next year, in what looks to be a pretty good class for OT's.

 

[Superman55]

I know there are some around here who do t believe Bricks game is slipping, but PFF dropped him from 13 to 39 on their OT list from 2013 to 2014 (out of 74, AND Breno was 63 out of 74).

I still think Brick is serviceable and can play LT, but those days he can are flying off the calendar daily. Wouldn't be shocked if next year is his last year with us (2016 season). I don't think we land 2 OTs next year, but we do probably grab a RT that can eventually replace Brick.

It's too bad we couldn't get our hands on Collins OT LSU.

 

[SackExchange]

I know there are some around here who do t believe Bricks game is slipping, but PFF dropped him from 13 to 39 on their OT list from 2013 to 2014 (out of 74, AND Brent was 63 out of 74).

I still think Brick is serviceable and can play LT, but those days he can are flying off the calendar daily. Wouldn't be shocked if next year is his last b year with us. I don't think we land 2 OTs next year.

It's too bad we couldn't get our hands on Collins OT LSU.

He's slipping. I'm not sure it will be that fast, but he's definitely slipping. He's on the downward trend.

As for Collins, way too many question marks when the draft took place. I don't blame the Jets being like the other 31 teams and being cautious.

 

[Superman55]

He's slipping. I'm not sure it will be that fast, but he's definitely slipping. He's on the downward trend.

As for Collins, way too many question marks when the draft took place. I don't blame the Jets being like the other 31 teams and being cautious.

I meant in the bidding war after the draft when he signed fir 3 years and something like 1.75 mill. Wish we were a little more in on the auction. He didn't sign for much.

 

[SackExchange]

I meant in the bidding war after the draft when he signed fir 3 years and something like 1.75 mill. Wish we were a little more in on the auction. He didn't sign for much.

That certainly could have been done.

Question is, if the Jets signed him, and he was then found to be more involved in this death than initially believed, never playing a down for the Jets, would Macc get blasted for it?

 

[Superman55]

That certainly could have been done.

Question is, if the Jets signed him, and he was then found to be more involved in this death than initially believed, never playing a down for the Jets, would Macc get blasted for it?

Low risk high reward.

He signed for practically vet min money. He signed for a third of Mike Goodson money...which was 3 years 6.9 mill. Wouldn't you have been okay with 3 years 3 mill?

 

[SackExchange]

Low risk high reward.

He signed for practically vet min money. He signed for a third of Mike Goodson money...which was 3 years 6.9 mill. Wouldn't you have been okay with 3 years 3 mill?

If the Jets signed him to the deal Dallas did, assuming guaranteed money was virtually non-existent, I'd be fine with it. Guaranteed money for a guy with that hanging over his head is scary, though. Even a small amount of dead money with one move can have a cumulative effect if you keep doing it.

 

[Superman55]

If the Jets signed him to the deal Dallas did, assuming guaranteed money was virtually non-existent, I'd be fine with it. Guaranteed money for a guy with that hanging over his head is scary, though. Even a small amount of dead money with one move can have a cumulative effect if you keep doing it.

id pay him more than dallas, but only a little...

 

[hobson54]

id pay him more than dallas, but only a little...

do you think the kid from louisiana would have come to the 4-12 jets over the cowboys for "only a little" more money?

 

[Football51]

There is a max(can't remember the figure) that you can pay undrafted rookie free agents. The Cowboys gave him the max + I'm sure taxes played a role as well with Collins trying to maximize his earnings.

 

[Superman55]

do you think the kid from louisiana would have come to the 4-12 jets over the cowboys for "only a little" more money?

When only a little more money is 2.25 mill...maybe, especially when that additional 2.25 mill is on top for his 1.75 mill total offer from Dallas.

We have to remember we talking of only a little more millions...

 

[Superman55]

There is a max(can't remember the figure) that you can pay undrafted rookie free agents. The Cowboys gave him the max + I'm sure taxes played a role as well with Collins trying to maximize his earnings.

Do you think we should have taken him with one of our 2 7th rd picks? Most 7th rd picks are cut or on the PS... Was he worth the risk in your opinion?

 

[hobson54]

When only a little more money is 2.25 mill...maybe, especially when that additional 2.25 mill is on top for his 1.75 mill total offer from Dallas.

We have to remember we talking of only a little more millions...

well i would think offering him $4 million instead of $1.75 million wouldn't be categorized as only a little more money. it's more than double the money.

 

[hobson54]

Do you think we should have taken him with one of our 2 7th rd picks? Most 7th rd picks are cut or on the PS... Was he worth the risk in your opinion?

i will grant i'm not 100% sure of this, but my understanding is that if we (or anyone) drafted him, he could have refused to sign and re-entered the draft next year. as an UDFA, he didn't have that option to re-enter the draft

 

[Football51]

Do you think we should have taken him with one of our 2 7th rd picks? Most 7th rd picks are cut or on the PS... Was he worth the risk in your opinion?

It depends if you believed his agent. Had anyone done that, he threatened to reenter the draft in 2016 and wouldn't sign the deal. That's why everyone stayed away. If I knew for sure that he wasn't involved in the murder in any way, I'd call his bluff for a 7th rounder. In hindsight, all 32 teams thought the agent was being truthful.

 

[Superman55]

That certainly could have been done.

Question is, if the Jets signed him, and he was then found to be more involved in this death than initially believed, never playing a down for the Jets, would Macc get blasted for it?

Of all Idzik sins, I'm not sure the Mike Goodson signing is the one that hung him. How would this be different?

 

[Superman55]

It depends if you believed his agent. Had anyone done that, he threatened to reenter the draft in 2016 and wouldn't sign the deal. That's why everyone stayed away. If I knew for sure that he wasn't involved in the murder in any way, I'd call his bluff for a 7th rounder. In hindsight, all 32 teams thought the agent was being truthful.

I agree on the 32 other team's stances. And Dallas adding Gregory, Hardy, and Collins to go with Dez...and now they may be talking to Ray Rice reportedly...they should be called Dallas Sing Sings. I guess I'm asking if you called his bluff for a 7th which gave you better negotiation leverage...would it be worth it, even if he didn't sign?

He signed for next to nothing as a UDFA...I don't feel his agent exactly secured better money for the cards he played. It's easy to say now his agents threats didn't help him much so we obviously should have forced his hand...I think it's obvious now he was bluffing, because in the end, all he got was a shit contract anyway.

I look at the names tied to those 7th rd picks...it was probably worth the gamble, IMO. But you know I LOVED Collins through the draft process...I probably would have taken him long before 7 as an arm chair GM. .

 

[NickSINYC]

He signed for next to nothing as a UDFA...I don't feel his agent exactly secured better money for the cards he played. It's easy to say now his agents threats didn't help him much so we obviously should have forced his hand...I think it's obvious now he was bluffing, because in the end, all he got was a shit contract anyway.

He is tied up for less years and will get his big money contract sooner going the UDFA route so the bluff had teeth.

 

[Superman55]

He is tied up for less years and will get his big money contract sooner going the UDFA route so the bluff had teeth.

truth. But would his agent pay his room and board for the year he sat out...because the choice is:

1) sit out and cover all the player's expenses for a year out of your agencies pocket (that's how it works, his agent covers the player's expenses and recoups the money the following year out of his contract),

2) he signs the 7th rd pick deal of 4 years 2.5 mill

So he's willing to cover Collins expenses for a year over 1 year 750k?

I dare him to play that card.

 

[Mainejet]

I've been kicking Mac in the balls for drafting Williams and not trading back and adding oline depth...but I love what Mac has done in all honest. Think of this:

he went in the offseason needing to fix: QB, CB, OL, WR, OLB/Pass Rush, FS, and RB depth (remember Powell and CJ2k were free agents)...and I probably wouldn't have minded a punter....

After free agency and the draft...you have to feel from that mammoth list...QB and OL. I even removed OLB because Williams will fill that role in how we design our pass rush.

I dont know if the formula will equal a lot of wins...we dont know how the offense will come together. But take this roster and add one of next year's top QBs or have Petty pick up the offense quick (Gaily and Petty = two very smart men, if they get on the same page could be special; but the same applies to Geno if they get on the same page, because Geno can sling it).

And like I posted, the Jets are probably not finished signing free agents. There could always be a late cut or cap casualty that the Jets could take advantage of. That's how we got Pete Kendall in 2004.