Anatomy of a collapse: How Jets turned into the NFL's worst team

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Anatomy of a collapse: How Jets turned into the NFL's worst team

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The New York Jets used to be good. Oh yes, they were hot stuff in 2010, when they reached the AFC Championship Game for the second year in a row. They had a larger-than-life coach in Rex Ryan, who approached every game as a schoolyard brawl -- and he had the roster to back him up.

The Jets haven't left that schoolyard, though now they're being taunted and shunned, not good enough to get into any of the games.
The bully has been geekified.

After six straight years out of the playoffs, three seasons with double-digit losses, two regime changes and one year of Tim Tebow, the Jets are regarded by some experts as the worst team in the NFL. Expectations are at an all-time low. So low that members of the 1996 Jets, who finished a franchise-worst 1-15, are getting asked by friends if the current team could pull a '96. It's not far-fetched, considering they're not favored in a single game this season, according to ESPN's FPI.
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The Jets are eight games under .500 during Woody Johnson's tenure as owner. AP Photo/Rich SchultzTeam officials say they have a long-term plan to become contenders again. Clearly, the focus is beyond this season. In a 20-minute interview this week with WFAN radio, general manager Mike Maccagnan used the phrase "going forward" a total of 28 times. Coach Todd Bowles has told players to stop talking about last season, a 5-11 disaster that left a fractured locker room.

Since the almost-Super Bowl run in 2010, the Jets are 41-55, the worst record in the AFC East and 24th in the league. As they look to the future, we'll take a moment to analyze how a once-prospering team has slipped into one of the longest postseason slumps in its star-crossed history.

It starts at the top

In 17 years under Woody Johnson's ownership, the Jets are eight games under .500. As Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are." In Johnson's case, it's mediocrity.

His lack of conviction on football matters has thrust the franchise into an ever-changing approach to hirings and talent procurement. The most successful franchises adhere to a consistent philosophy, creating an identity and a culture. The Jets? They zig and zag more than an elite open-field runner.
Johnson has gone through periods of big spending and bold acquisitions (Brett Favre and Tebow), but he also has preached a methodical, draft-based approach to constructing the roster. He went from an aggressive, deal-making general manager (Mike Tannenbaum) to a passive, slow builder (John Idzik) to Maccagnan, who has demonstrated both traits.

As for his head coaches, Johnson has created a pendulum. He started with a players’ coach (Herm Edwards), turned to a disciplinarian (Eric Mangini), went back to a players’ coach (Ryan) and back to a disciplinarian (Bowles). One thing they have in common is their defensive-minded coaches, but that's curious, because of the team's perennial struggles on offense and inability to develop a franchise quarterback.

Mangini, for one, felt he had the franchise moving in the right direction, saying, "I know when I left there, that team was really good and they were disciplined and they had high character and they knew how to work." But he got fired when the team collapsed down the stretch of a 9-7 season in 2008, in large part because Favre's arm was injured.

Johnson has hired nine head coaches and general managers, none of whom had previous experience in his job. His biggest blunder was pairing Ryan and Idzik, a bad marriage that created a toxic environment at One Jets Drive. They had only one thing in common: Their fathers were former Jets assistant coaches. The two-year union set the franchise back years.

After six years on Ryan's loose ship, which produced many choppy moments, Johnson bought into the understated Bowles-Maccagnan tandem and went all-in with a win-now approach. The combined cash payroll in 2015 and 2016 was $331 million, third-highest in the league, according to Spotrac. With an old team, they missed the playoffs again and again, prompting an unprecedented roster overhaul. Rival executives were surprised by the radical change, saying they expected it to occur in Year 1, not Year 3.

Perhaps this time Johnson will stay committed to the youth movement. He made a strong statement in June, when he pulled rank and instructed his football people to release David Harris and Eric Decker, sources said. The moves sent shock waves through the building and were seen as salary dumps, a transparent attempt to save money ($13 million) while positioning the Jets for a high pick in 2018.

"If you want to go to the promised land, you have to go in a certain direction," Johnson said during the offseason. "I think this is a direction we've never tried in the 17 years I've been associated with the Jets. We've never gone this way."

Translation: We haven't succeeded with anything else, so why not take a shot?

By the way, Johnson will be living in the United Kingdom for the next three years as the U.S. ambassador, which means he can avoid a first-hand view of a painful rebuild.

Looking for the next Broadway Joe

The Jets haven't sent a quarterback to the Pro Bowl since Favre in 2008, and the only reason he made it was because ... well, he's Brett Favre. The single greatest reason for the team's decline is the abominable play at quarterback. From 2011-16, they ranked 29th in Total QBR (45.3), as they've gone from Mark Sanchez to Geno Smith to Ryan Fitzpatrick to (probably) Josh McCown, spanning three regimes.

Sanchez fizzled after a promising start, Smith got punched out by one of his teammates and Fitzpatrick, after a career year in 2015, imploded after the most bizarre contract dispute in recent NFL history.
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Rain has fallen on Jets quarterbacks since Brett Favre's lone season in New York in 2008. AP Photo/John FroschauerThe Jets have drafted six quarterbacks since 2009, one more than the Cleveland Browns, for crying out loud.

Hoping to find The One, they’ve tapped into different profiles -- the charismatic leader (Sanchez), the big arm (Smith) and two projects (Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty). They also went outside the box -- way, way outside -- when they traded for Tebow in 2012.

The results? Uh, let’s just say the Jets know how to pick future ESPN college football analysts (see: Tebow and Greg McElroy, a 2011 draft pick).
“I’m jealous, I never had a quarterback like you,” as Rex Ryan, now an ESPN analyst, tells Tampa Bay Buccaneers star Jameis Winston in this week’s episode of “Hard Knocks.”

One of the Jets’ problems is they don’t know how to develop quarterbacks. They rush them into the lineup (Sanchez and Smith) and never give them a chance to get comfortable in the same system. They’re on their fifth offensive coordinator in the past six years, stunting the players’ growth with constant upheaval. In contrast, Tom Brady has been in the same system for 18 years.

The new hope is Hackenberg, a second-round pick in 2016. Unlike past regimes, the current administration is exercising patience, bringing him along at a glacial pace. Opposing scouts suspect it’s out of necessity, not by choice.

“He’s never really been able to put it together since his special year in college [2013],” said an AFC scout, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
Chances are the Jets will be in the quarterback market again next offseason. League insiders say Johnson, always enamored of star power at the position, has his eye on next year’s draft crop, which includes Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Josh Rosen.

Hence, the “Suck for Sam” campaign among Jets fans.

Feeling a cool draft

The Jets have only eight of their own first- and second-round picks on the roster, and there’s a reason for that: lousy drafting.

In many ways, the team’s current swoon can be traced to the fruitless drafts from 2012-14. Of the 27 picks over the three-year span, only six remain on the roster -- three starters among them. First-round picks Quinton Coples and Dee Milliner are out of the league, and Calvin Pryor was shipped out. Intriguingly, the New England Patriots' top picks from those years -- Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins (second round) and Dominique Easley -- no longer are on the roster, but they traded Jones and Collins, receiving drafts picks in return.

Instead of having those players form the heart of the roster, the Jets have a huge void of middle-aged talent. It would be crippling for any organization, let alone one without an elite quarterback that can elevate those around him.

There’s no depth and no star power. Only one pick in the past 10 drafts has been selected to multiple Pro Bowls -- Darrelle Revis, a first-round choice in 2007. Leonard Williams (first round, 2015) is on his way to a stellar career, but you can’t win a championship by drafting a star defender every decade.
They’ve used nine consecutive first-round picks on defensive players, dating to 2010 -- an utterly mind-boggling trend when you consider their offensive struggles. Their second-round history is enough to make Jets fans nauseous. The last one to make the Pro Bowl (not counting special teams) was Mark Gastineau, drafted in 1979.

In recent years, the Jets have employed different draft philosophies. They’ve drafted for need and best available. They’ve stockpiled picks and traded them away. They’ve tried it all, with minimal success.

“If you can’t draft, you can’t win,” a former general manager said. “That explains why the Jets are where they are.”

A Patriots obsession

It goes back to 1997 and 1998, when the Jets swiped future Hall of Famers Parcells and Curtis Martin, respectively, from the Patriots. The fascination was renewed by Ryan, who famously pledged that he had never kiss Bill Belichick’s Super Bowl rings. (P.S.: He pretty much did.)

The obsession surfaced again in 2015, when the Jets reacquired Revis (and got busted for tampering) and based their offseason plan on trying to neutralize the Patriots’ high-powered passing attack.

Maccagnan, in his first year as GM, bought an entire secondary, bringing in Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist. Maccagnan’s boss, Johnson, was giddy, thinking the Jets had weakened the Patriots by luring Revis back to their side.

“Some teams acquire players to compete with a particular team, like Golden State signing Kevin Durant to take down Cleveland,” the AFC scout said. “I think the Jets, with Mike and Todd coming in, were trying to get guys to help them beat New England.”

The Jets learned a hard and expensive lesson. They burned $39 million on Revis, whose skills had eroded appreciably. Cromartie lasted a year, Gilchrist two. Only Skrine remains from that wild spending spree. Instead of creating their own identity, the Jets have wasted time trying to copycat the Patriots.
"They don't have [an identity] anymore," a former Jets player said. "They lost it when they kicked Rex out the door."

Maccagnan & Co. tried to storm the Evil Empire, but they were thwarted at the gate. Now, two years later, the gap between the teams is larger than ever.
 
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I agree with most here that Cimini is not a good source to get football information from. He's very biased as far as I am concerned.

However, in this case he's pretty much dead on. There may be a lot of extra fluff that need not be mentioned like the Patriots obsession or the Tim Tebow acquisition, but this articles does hit on the most important point. That is DRAFTING. This sentence from that article explains the problem in totality:


“If you can’t draft, you can’t win,” a former general manager said. “That explains why the Jets are where they are.”

It wouldn't matter how bad Toilet and Mac are at every other facet of their job, they would still be at least competitive if they drafted well. This article doesn't talk about Mac and his drafting in particular, but it is pertinent to the article. Mac overall has done some very good drafting, but in those cases said players slid to the Jets for whatever reason? All of Mac's picks prior to this draft, besides Leo, are marginal at best. You could make a case and make it sound all rosy, but you could just easily see all of those players being out of the league within 3 seasons. In other words, NO ONE just comes out and immediately pops their first time on the football field. We're still waiting to see what will happen with all of Mac's picks besides Leo. Word has it Lorenzo Mauldin's roster spot is in jeopardy, due to bad play and long stints on the DL. Devin Smith had enough injuries for an entire team. Jordan Jenkins and Darron Lee were both very disappointing in their rookie seasons and the jury is still very much out on whether they'll even last in New York. Hack has BUST written all over him at this point?

So drafting just as much on the part of Mac is very material to the reasons why this is so bad now?

All said and done, this team absolutely MUST improve their drafting skills otherwise this team will be forever doomed. If they can just improve in that one area they will automatically be much more competitive even if the coaching is bad.
 

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Can't win consistently without a QB. And the Jets need to suck to get one.
 
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USANYJ

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So this article is interesting for one reason. If Woody is so enamored by the 2018 draft and has his eyes on the top 3 guys already, even while living in London. Why is the world is McCown starting football games and possibly allowing for the chance he ruins that!? Why hasn't Woody, like the article says, pulled rank and told Bowles to start the kids?
 

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So this article is interesting for one reason. If Woody is so enamored by the 2018 draft and has his eyes on the top 3 guys already, even while living in London. Why is the world is McCown starting football games and possibly allowing for the chance he ruins that!? Why hasn't Woody, like the article says, pulled rank and told Bowles to start the kids?

Well, Petty and Hack got most reps in practice lately. Maybe Bowles IS going to start the kids.
 

lounap23

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Can't win consistently without a QB. And the Jets need to suck to get one.

This is it. This is everything. This team has had many pieces to win over the years. But never a QB.... Drafting has been average but the fact that we can't find a QB EVER is and always will be the problem.. Till we find one we will alwyas float from 4-12 to 10-6 and back and forth with more 6-10 and 7-9 seasons we can bear. Let's hope for a miracle in Hack or Petty this year or we draft the franchise guy next year.
 
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This is it. This is everything. This team has had many pieces to win over the years. But never a QB.... Drafting has been average but the fact that we can't find a QB EVER is and always will be the problem.. Till we find one we will alwyas float from 4-12 to 10-6 and back and forth with more 6-10 and 7-9 seasons we can bear. Let's hope for a miracle in Hack or Petty this year or we draft the franchise guy next year.

Drafting is AVERAGE???????????? What team have you been watching? The Jets drafting has been nothing short of HORRID over the 10 years. Even worse, look at their 2nd round draft choices? I have no idea what you could possibly be saying when you say, "drafting is average" LOL
 

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Drafting is AVERAGE???????????? What team have you been watching? The Jets drafting has been nothing short of HORRID over the 10 years. Even worse, look at their 2nd round draft choices? I have no idea what you could possibly be saying when you say, "drafting is average" LOL

Most teams miss more than they hit on draft picks. Vvery few teams draft well every year.. The patriots have suffered through some GOD AWFUL drafts over the last 10 years, only finding a decent player here and there with an occasional superstar, all while they have 12 draft picks a year. But they keep on rolling why.... QB.... So as far as drafting goes yeah Average in the NFL in my opinion..... We fail miserably because we don't have a QB.... It's amazing what having a guy like Brady or Rodgers year in and year out mask in deficiencies for an organization overall.

But we have different views and that's ok... MY take is, draft a franchise QB and it's amazing how everything else gets judged on a team less harshly. And rightfully so.
 

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It is so simple folks..................winning teams win & losing teams lose.......It all starts at the top.

It could have been said just like that.



Woody has to go. Look the Redsox GM got fired & went to the cubs to amke them into a winner.......Maybe billy boy will come to the Jets:global (7):
 

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Can't win consistently without a QB. And the Jets need to suck to get one.

I would add that unless you have good linemen it really doesn't matter. The years we were any good was because we had lines that could sustain blocks and open holes for runners, Mac's neglect of the O is unsupportable and unacceptable.

Also, I am not sure they will be as bad as the 96 Jets but they certainly are headed in that direction
 
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I would add that unless you have good linemen it really doesn't matter. The years we were any good was because we had lines that could sustain blocks and open holes for runners, Mac's neglect of the O is unsupportable and unacceptable.

Also, I am not sure they will be as bad as the 96 Jets but they certainly are headed in that direction

Now, here is a man that gets it?

Mac's neglect of the O is unsupportable and unacceptable.

I could not have said this better myself. It's the root cause of everything that ails this offense. Apparently Mac has never read his history books? Terry Bradway was another guy that didn't give a shit about the OL and Bradway ultimately resigned before Woody could fire him.
 

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I would add that unless you have good linemen it really doesn't matter. The years we were any good was because we had lines that could sustain blocks and open holes for runners, Mac's neglect of the O is unsupportable and unacceptable.

Also, I am not sure they will be as bad as the 96 Jets but they certainly are headed in that direction

I definitely agree with Mac's neglect of the OL. As great as Dak seems, he will be a failure behind the Jets OL.
 

NewMFS62

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That was a good analysis, as far as it went. Preaching to the choir on the OL problem. I've been saying it for years
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Would definitely agree that Mac has neglected the O-Line at the top of the draft. I do believe you build a roster from offensive and defensive lines out. I also believe that you need a QB, LT and Pass Rusher (or two in today's game) to win in this league. This can be fixed, but he needs to have a plan.

I get that there some on this board that are frustrated with the state of the franchise - I've read hyperbole like Bowles is as bad as Kotite. No, he's really not. He won 10 games his first season. Kotite wouldn't win 10 games in 10 seasons. So, no, terrible comparison. But I keep coming back to the same question - who are we going to get to replace them? Starting over again when you have players that are young and just buying in to the system and learning the NFL game, only to change it again causes more dysfunction, and bad play on the field. This team can't be changing regimes every three years and expect to win.

If you tell me - ok, we're gonna get Jon Gruden, or Bill Cowher, or Jim Harbaugh, I say ok, great. Give them whatever they want...but outside of those elite coaching candidates, who else is going to want to come here? Another hot coordinator? And who exactly is that going to be? None of the Pats coaches are coming here. So, give me some credible names to replace Bowles who are going to be willing to come here...and I'll be open to a change. Until then, I want to see what Bowles does to rebuild this team. Bowles needs to prove that he can turn this defense into the one he had in Arizona. If he can do that this year, that will be progress.

As far as GMs are concerned, anyone see the next Bill Polian waiting for the phone to ring? So if you fire Mac then what? Well, you start another search. Who is going to come here when you are on your third GM in the past what 7-8 years? Then, you have to rebuild the entire scouting department again, and start all over. It's a mess. Mac hasn't been perfect by any means, but overall, in my opinion he's done a solid job. The Jets have holes, especially on offense, but on defense this team can compete. I think next year's draft will be the make or break year. If he gets it right, and I think he did a very job with this year's draft, I think he deserves to stick around.
 
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Would definitely agree that Mac has neglected the O-Line at the top of the draft. I do believe you build a roster from offensive and defensive lines out. I also believe that you need a QB, LT and Pass Rusher (or two in today's game) to win in this league. This can be fixed, but he needs to have a plan.

I get that there some on this board that are frustrated with the state of the franchise - I've read hyperbole like Bowles is as bad as Kotite. No, he's really not. He won 10 games his first season. Kotite wouldn't win 10 games in 10 seasons. So, no, terrible comparison. But I keep coming back to the same question - who are we going to get to replace them? Starting over again when you have players that are young and just buying in to the system and learning the NFL game, only to change it again causes more dysfunction, and bad play on the field. This team can't be changing regimes every three years and expect to win.

If you tell me - ok, we're gonna get Jon Gruden, or Bill Cowher, or Jim Harbaugh, I say ok, great. Give them whatever they want...but outside of those elite coaching candidates, who else is going to want to come here? Another hot coordinator? And who exactly is that going to be? None of the Pats coaches are coming here. So, give me some credible names to replace Bowles who are going to be willing to come here...and I'll be open to a change. Until then, I want to see what Bowles does to rebuild this team. Bowles needs to prove that he can turn this defense into the one he had in Arizona. If he can do that this year, that will be progress.

As far as GMs are concerned, anyone see the next Bill Polian waiting for the phone to ring? So if you fire Mac then what? Well, you start another search. Who is going to come here when you are on your third GM in the past what 7-8 years? Then, you have to rebuild the entire scouting department again, and start all over. It's a mess. Mac hasn't been perfect by any means, but overall, in my opinion he's done a solid job. The Jets have holes, especially on offense, but on defense this team can compete. I think next year's draft will be the make or break year. If he gets it right, and I think he did a very job with this year's draft, I think he deserves to stick around.

Would definitely agree that Mac has neglected the O-Line at the top of the draft. I do believe you build a roster from offensive and defensive lines out. I also believe that you need a QB, LT and Pass Rusher (or two in today's game) to win in this league. This can be fixed, but he needs to have a plan.

I get that there some on this board that are frustrated with the state of the franchise - I've read hyperbole like Bowles is as bad as Kotite. No, he's really not. He won 10 games his first season. Kotite wouldn't win 10 games in 10 seasons. So, no, terrible comparison. But I keep coming back to the same question - who are we going to get to replace them? Starting over again when you have players that are young and just buying in to the system and learning the NFL game, only to change it again causes more dysfunction, and bad play on the field. This team can't be changing regimes every three years and expect to win.

If you tell me - ok, we're gonna get Jon Gruden, or Bill Cowher, or Jim Harbaugh, I say ok, great. Give them whatever they want...but outside of those elite coaching candidates, who else is going to want to come here? Another hot coordinator? And who exactly is that going to be? None of the Pats coaches are coming here. So, give me some credible names to replace Bowles who are going to be willing to come here...and I'll be open to a change. Until then, I want to see what Bowles does to rebuild this team. Bowles needs to prove that he can turn this defense into the one he had in Arizona. If he can do that this year, that will be progress.

As far as GMs are concerned, anyone see the next Bill Polian waiting for the phone to ring? So if you fire Mac then what? Well, you start another search. Who is going to come here when you are on your third GM in the past what 7-8 years? Then, you have to rebuild the entire scouting department again, and start all over. It's a mess. Mac hasn't been perfect by any means, but overall, in my opinion he's done a solid job. The Jets have holes, especially on offense, but on defense this team can compete. I think next year's draft will be the make or break year. If he gets it right, and I think he did a very job with this year's draft, I think he deserves to stick around.

Actually, to be objective and accurate and avoid exaggerating, Rich Kotite won ELEVEN games in one season with the Eagles. So saying Kotite wouldn't win 10 games in 10 years is ridiculous. Kotite already has a BETTER single season winning total than Toilet ever will. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every so often.
 
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I'm also convinced Mike Westhoff would make an EXCELLENT HC if Woody ever hired him.
 

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LIJETFAN.... IMHO, TB is as bad as Kotite. Look no further than last year's debacle. He lost the team, didn't improve the younger players, continued to play players who "quit" and fired everyone on D except his main squeeze the DC. The team was a dysfunctional mess. Players not attending meeting, not playing period, lacked motivation and usually came out unprepared and flat.

So lets see what has he shown this year:

1) This year, the QB competition was a sham and we all knew it before it started.
2) Secondary is still poor and has not been coached up at all... players still out of position. Players still 5--7 10 yards off WR. Players missing tackles or trailing plays because they were out of position, etc. etc. etc. And they do not cut Buster Skrine it will be criminal... he terrible.
3) Has the OLB position improved? For C**** sake they still play # 31 as an OLB - wtf is that about?
4) Has the OL marginally improved over the last three years? I mean the dam LC has been there three years and WTF has he to show for it... missed assignments, poor communication between QB and L, marginal run opportunities, etc. etc etc.
5) Time management has never improved. There are NO in game adjustments to counter what other teams do. His teams are ill prepared and usually come out flat...

Do you want me to continue.

AS for a replacement.... I do not know but after 50 years watching this team and the HC, FO, etc., I do know he is not the answer.
 

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I really don't want to engage in a full blown debate about Kotite vs. Bowles, it's really irrelevant, and a rather senseless discussion. MaineJet you are correct about Kotite in Philly.

SOJ - I get your point about last season. Bowles did a piss poor job, no doubt about it. It was a bad year all around. He owns much of the blame. There were other factors, but I agree with your critique generally about the play on the field and the decision-making. The prior year the team over performed. Last year, underperformed. To his credit, he has made a lot of changes this offseason, and for the right reasons. That is a sign of growth in the role. I'm not saying the record is going to be better, but he might be a better coach now. Good coaches will learn from bad seasons. Maybe Bowles did that. Time will tell.

In my opinion, I like the coaching staff he has assembled this year. If you judge him based on this year, with all the rebuilding that is going on, you have to look past the record. However, if you are already convinced that he is not the answer - who is going to replace him? I keep coming back to that because changing coaches and GMs sets franchises back in most cases. Dan Quinn didn't want this job and wound up in Atlanta. He was my top pick too. I don't see anyone else out there that is in Quinn's class as a coordinator. Bowles was a hot name too, and a very good defensive coach. His defense in Arizona was dominant. What coordinator out there has a dominant defense or a top flight offense and is going to want to come to the Jets?

Westoff is interesting, but my guess is that he is done at this point.

If the Jets are not going to give Bowles a shot with the rebuilding process, then they need to bring in a first rate, proven HC with a great track record. Bringing in another "hot" coordinator for a complete reboot, especially with a young team sets this team back another two years at least. So instead of a three year rebuild, you are looking at 5 years. And I guarantee everyone on this Board will be complaining about how the new coach sucks because the Jets can't win. It's a vicious cycle and it needs to end. So my position stands, give me Cowher, Gruden or Harbaugh, or see this rebuild through.
 
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I really don't want to engage in a full blown debate about Kotite vs. Bowles, it's really irrelevant, and a rather senseless discussion. MaineJet you are correct about Kotite in Philly.

SOJ - I get your point about last season. Bowles did a piss poor job, no doubt about it. It was a bad year all around. He owns much of the blame. There were other factors, but I agree with your critique generally about the play on the field and the decision-making. The prior year the team over performed. Last year, underperformed. To his credit, he has made a lot of changes this offseason, and for the right reasons. That is a sign of growth in the role. I'm not saying the record is going to be better, but he might be a better coach now. Good coaches will learn from bad seasons. Maybe Bowles did that. Time will tell.

In my opinion, I like the coaching staff he has assembled this year. If you judge him based on this year, with all the rebuilding that is going on, you have to look past the record. However, if you are already convinced that he is not the answer - who is going to replace him? I keep coming back to that because changing coaches and GMs sets franchises back in most cases. Dan Quinn didn't want this job and wound up in Atlanta. He was my top pick too. I don't see anyone else out there that is in Quinn's class as a coordinator. Bowles was a hot name too, and a very good defensive coach. His defense in Arizona was dominant. What coordinator out there has a dominant defense or a top flight offense and is going to want to come to the Jets?

Westoff is interesting, but my guess is that he is done at this point.

If the Jets are not going to give Bowles a shot with the rebuilding process, then they need to bring in a first rate, proven HC with a great track record. Bringing in another "hot" coordinator for a complete reboot, especially with a young team sets this team back another two years at least. So instead of a three year rebuild, you are looking at 5 years. And I guarantee everyone on this Board will be complaining about how the new coach sucks because the Jets can't win. It's a vicious cycle and it needs to end. So my position stands, give me Cowher, Gruden or Harbaugh, or see this rebuild through.

First of all, Westhoff has made it known he is no longer interested in being a Special Teams Coordinator. He retired because his feeling was the owners made rules against everything that used to make Westy such a mad scientist. Westy is an innovator that is always creating new strategies on the football field. He really has an excellent football mind.

He's made it known though, that he would definitely entertain the idea of a Head Coaching job? And honestly I think he wants to be the HC of NYJ or else he's never going to coach again? He's probably been approached by many owners about interviewing for vacant HC positions in the past? I don't believe we hear about it because he quickly turns them down. He WANTS to coach the NYJ.

But my sense is he's also a little defensive and quite possibly hard to deal with at times? Maybe not the most amiable of people when dealing with the owner?

I really hope that whatever the problem is with Woody and Westy, that they can bury the hatchet and become teammates in overhauling this franchise? If I am going with a former coordinator, one that has no Head Coaching experience whatsoever, I want WESTY. There's never been a man that is more deserving and also HOME GROWN talent. He was a flat out GENIUS when it came to Special Teams and I could only hope he could bring that kind of ingenuity to the HC position.

But if we're talking about experienced HC's coming to NY, my first choice is to see if we can pry Cowher Power away from commentating? He's an excellent HC that I would turn over the keys to this team to.

After that, I would definitely inquire about the availability of Jim Harbaugh? But this guy could ask for and get ANY coaching he wanted probably. He's as hot a commodity as I've ever seen since like Parcells being a FA.
 
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