Are we Jets fans delusioned about this season?

[NCgreen12]

I think our offense is going to be a little better than people think and our defense is a bit over-rated. Fitz will do well because he has some weapons and if he could connect on some long passes early (his perceived weakness) to keep the defenses honest our offense could easily surprise. If he can't they will stack the zone and it will be tough.

Our defense will be better on the edge with Revis and Gilchrist will do a decent job at safety. However the big area teams can exploit (especially the Pats) is that middle zone where our very slow linebackers roam. That has been an achilles for us for some time now and again good teams know how to take advantage of it.

I see us at somewhere between 6-10 and 9-7.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Just one point fan is short for fanatic so IMHO all fans are delusional. Lets not just single out Jets Fans.

Some of them single themselves out.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I think our offense is going to be a little better than people think and our defense is a bit over-rated. Fitz will do well because he has some weapons and if he could connect on some long passes early (his perceived weakness) to keep the defenses honest our offense could easily surprise. If he can't they will stack the zone and it will be tough.

Our defense will be better on the edge with Revis and Gilchrist will do a decent job at safety. However the big area teams can exploit (especially the Pats) is that middle zone where our very slow linebackers roam. That has been an achilles for us for some time now and again good teams know how to take advantage of it.

I see us at somewhere between 6-10 and 9-7.

I think Bowles knows this and will use more safeties and CB's to cover Gronk. I think Bowles won't be stupid enough to let Coples cover anyone.

 

[Savage69]

the OL is the unit i feel the least confident about going into the season..

if they can keep fitzpatrick upright & he plays at the level he did last year i got us winning 10+ games..

if that's delusional in the eyes of media, so be it..

+1 Last year as bad as the DB's were they held Gronk to 99 yds on 11 catches and just 1 td in the 2 Pat games we lost by a total of 3 points..

 

[johnnysd]

I think we are getting no respect whatsoever. and the media seems to think Suh alone is a bigger upgrade than all the additions on defense the Jets have made which is ridiculous.

On the other hand, I do not believe Fitzpatrick is an upgrade at all on any level over what Geno would have provided. He is NOT a good QB at all.

I am not optimistic because of the QB unlike some other posters here.

 

[jetgreen13]

I think we are getting no respect whatsoever. and the media seems to think Suh alone is a bigger upgrade than all the additions on defense the Jets have made which is ridiculous.

On the other hand, I do not believe Fitzpatrick is an upgrade at all on any level over what Geno would have provided. He is NOT a good QB at all.

I am not optimistic because of the QB unlike some other posters here.

of course you realize fitzpatrick would need to substantially regress not to be an upgrade from what we've gotten from smith..

but your point is the light finally turns on for smith & he becomes a legitimate starting NFL QB??

 

[jetgreen13]

+1 Last year as bad as the DB's were they held Gronk to 99 yds on 11 catches and just 1 td in the 2 Pat games we lost by a total of 3 points..

this year's OL > last year's secondary..

 

[Savage69]

this year's OL > last year's secondary..

We got the guard from the Seahawks and drafted a OL-man this year.. This O-line is nowhere as bad as last years secondary.. Bad QB play can make the O-line look worse then it is like Geno holding the Ball for 4 seconds plus..

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

I think we win between 6-9 games. The success of the season however will be contingent upon the following;

1) Is a legitimate #2 CB currently on the roster?
2) Is a legitimate OLB who can put consistent pressure on opposing QBs on the roster?
3) Do any of the dozens of young OL pan out and man the right side of the line?
4) Does Sheldon Richardson turn his life around and become a permanent contributor?
5) Does Pryor become a force at SS?
6) Does Coples find a home in a more suitable defense?

If the answer is yes to 5-6 of these questions, the season will be a big success regardless of record.
If the answer is yes to 4, the season will be a success.
If it's 3 or less, the team will be in a somewhat rebuilding mode next offseason.


If Coples and Richardson work out, it puts Mac in a great position to maneuver and trade one of them or Wilkerson for a QB.

 

[jetgreen13]

We got the guard from the Seahawks and drafted a OL-man this year.. This O-line is nowhere as bad as last years secondary.. Bad QB play can make the O-line look worse then it is like Geno holding the Ball for 4 seconds plus..

or flat out panicking & running into a sack like a deer running across a busy highway..

it's something (the panicking) [MENTION=9]flgreen[/MENTION] pointed out a couple of months ago & man does it resinate with me!!

if your first instinct is flight i don't believe you can be coached out of "panicking" when the lights get to bright for you..

 

[jetgreen13]

I think we win between 6-9 games. The success of the season however will be contingent upon the following;

1) Is a legitimate #2 CB currently on the roster?
2) Is a legitimate OLB who can put consistent pressure on opposing QBs on the roster?
3) Do any of the dozens of young OL pan out and man the right side of the line?
4) Does Sheldon Richardson turn his life around and become a permanent contributor?
5) Does Pryor become a force at SS?
6) Does Coples find a home in a more suitable defense?

If the answer is yes to 5-6 of these questions, the season will be a big success regardless of record.
If the answer is yes to 4, the season will be a success.
If it's 3 or less, the team will be in a somewhat rebuilding mode next offseason.


If Coples and Richardson work out, it puts Mac in a great position to maneuver and trade one of them or Wilkerson for a QB.

if bolwes can light a fire under coples into having a career year he would have the most value on the open market, IMO.. richardson redeeming himself trade wise is way down the road if ever.. he's an idiot who to still doesn't see it that way.. & i'm very concerned with wilkerson's lingering big to issues & i would imagine GMs would be as well at this point.. is it know officially a debilitating chronic injury or a contract negotiation tool??

solid list, BTW..

 

[johnnysd]

of course you realize fitzpatrick would need to substantially regress not to be an upgrade from what we've gotten from smith..

but your point is the light finally turns on for smith & he becomes a legitimate starting NFL QB??

I would say his expectation is higher than what Geno showed last year, but Geno DID improve and I think we would have seen a big jump (or hoped) under Gailey. All of our QBs have looked good in Gailey's system actually so Geno taking that leap is even more likely. Below seem to forget that Fitz in addition to being limited in his ability to make plays has a career sub 80 QB rating and really is not that much better in turnovers than Geno (better but Fitz has a close to 1 to 1 QB/INT ration and people forget Geno actually had that last year. So I guess yes I think we would see the light go on for Geno, and I think at a minimum he would be no worse than Fitz and likely better.

 

[Bigmoe]

Well it's a last to first place league so it's really not being delusional

I think we know a last place team in 2014

The following is a list of National Football League teams that finished in first place in their division the season following finishing last place in their division. Currently, as of 2003 at least one team has gone from last place to first place in their division in the span of just one season.

Season Team Division Record Prior Season
1967 Houston Oilers AFL Eastern 9-4-1 3-11a
1968 Minnesota Vikings NFL Central 8-6 3-8-3
1970 Cincinnati Bengals AFC Central 8-6 4-9-1
1970 San Francisco 49ers NFC West 10-3-1 4-8-2
1972 Green Bay Packers NFC Central 10-4 4-8-2
1975 Baltimore Colts AFC East 10-4 2-12
1979 Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFC Central 10-6 5-11
1981 Cincinnati Bengals AFC Central 12-4 6-10
1987 Indianapolis Colts AFC East 9-6 3-13
1988 Cincinnati Bengals AFC Central 12-4 4-11
1990 Cincinnati Bengals AFC Central 9-7 8-8
1991 Denver Broncos AFC West 12-4 5-11
1992 San Diego Chargers AFC West 11-5 4-12
1993 Detroit Lions NFC Central 10-6 5-11
1997 New York Giants NFC East 10-5-1 6-10
1999 Indianapolis Colts AFC East 13-3 3-13
1999 St. Louis Rams NFC West 13-3 4-12
2000 New Orleans Saints NFC West 10-6 3-13
2001 Chicago Bears NFC Central 13-3 5-11
2001 New England Patriots AFC East 11-5 5-11
2003 Kansas City Chiefs AFC West 13-3 8-8b
2003 Carolina Panthers NFC South 11-5 7-9
2004 Atlanta Falcons NFC South 11-5 5-11
2004 San Diego Chargers AFC West 12-4 4-12b
2005 Chicago Bears NFC North 11-5 5-11
2005 Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFC South 11-5c 5-11
2006 New Orleans Saints NFC South 10-6 3-13
2006 Philadelphia Eagles NFC East 10-6 6-10
2006 Baltimore Ravens AFC North 13-3 6-10
2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFC South 9-7 4-12
2008 Miami Dolphins AFC East 11-5 1-15
2009 New Orleans Saints NFC South 13-3e 8-8
2010 Kansas City Chiefs AFC West 10-6 4-12
2011 Houston Texans AFC South 10-6 6-10
2012 Washington Redskins NFC East 10-6 5-11
2013 Philadelphia Eagles NFC East 10-6 4-12
a This was in the American Football League.
b Tied for last place.
c Tied for first place.
d Conference Champion.
e Super Bowl Champion.
Contents
References
References Edit

2005 NFL Record and Fact Book (ISBN 1-932994-36-X)

 

[Savage69]

I would say his expectation is higher than what Geno showed last year, but Geno DID improve and I think we would have seen a big jump (or hoped) under Gailey. All of our QBs have looked good in Gailey's system actually so Geno taking that leap is even more likely. Below seem to forget that Fitz in addition to being limited in his ability to make plays has a career sub 80 QB rating and really is not that much better in turnovers than Geno (better but Fitz has a close to 1 to 1 QB/INT ration and people forget Geno actually had that last year. So I guess yes I think we would see the light go on for Geno, and I think at a minimum he would be no worse than Fitz and likely better.

Geno career is 25 tds and 34 picks Fitz career is 123 and 101.. Now if you just want to use last year Geno was 13-13 in 13 games and Fitz was 17-8 in 12 games..

 

[mykcuz]

I think we are getting no respect whatsoever. and the media seems to think Suh alone is a bigger upgrade than all the additions on defense the Jets have made which is ridiculous.

On the other hand, I do not believe Fitzpatrick is an upgrade at all on any level over what Geno would have provided. He is NOT a good QB at all.

I am not optimistic because of the QB unlike some other posters here.

Interesting thoughts, what is your opinion on qb play based on?

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[mykcuz]

I think our offense is going to be a little better than people think and our defense is a bit over-rated. Fitz will do well because he has some weapons and if he could connect on some long passes early (his perceived weakness) to keep the defenses honest our offense could easily surprise. If he can't they will stack the zone and it will be tough.

Our defense will be better on the edge with Revis and Gilchrist will do a decent job at safety. However the big area teams can exploit (especially the Pats) is that middle zone where our very slow linebackers roam. That has been an achilles for us for some time now and again good teams know how to take advantage of it.

I see us at somewhere between 6-10 and 9-7.

You mean where Pryor will be playing with authority? In his natural position? Line up for a blitz, blitz, or drop back to the middle

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[johnnysd]

Geno career is 25 tds and 34 picks Fitz career is 123 and 101.. Now if you just want to use last year Geno was 13-13 in 13 games and Fitz was 17-8 in 12 games..

If we take out the outliers, the best and worst game, then last season Fitz had 10 TDs and 7 ints and 10 TDs and 10 ints in 10 games. Really not that different.

 

[mykcuz]

I would say his expectation is higher than what Geno showed last year, but Geno DID improve and I think we would have seen a big jump (or hoped) under Gailey. All of our QBs have looked good in Gailey's system actually so Geno taking that leap is even more likely. Below seem to forget that Fitz in addition to being limited in his ability to make plays has a career sub 80 QB rating and really is not that much better in turnovers than Geno (better but Fitz has a close to 1 to 1 QB/INT ration and people forget Geno actually had that last year. So I guess yes I think we would see the light go on for Geno, and I think at a minimum he would be no worse than Fitz and likely better.

I'm sorry, how did geno improve? GENO threw a tantrum because he wasn't drafted in the first round fired his agent and threatened to not show up day 2 until someone un twisted his panties. (This is the point when I realized he would never lead any nfl team )
His rookie year we were fed bs stories about how great he looked in camp. Come regular season he was our weakest position and down right awful. He would look good for a couple plays then throw 4 interceptions. Then the final few games of the year he had good stats when our season was over but Rex loyalists were playing for rexs job.we played teams eliminated from the playoffs who were playing half ass to get a better draft position. Proving why no one took him in the first round.

His second year:
Wait for it. ...
We were fed bs stories about how great he looked in camp. Come regular season he was our weakest position and down right awful. He would look good for a couple plays then throw 4 interceptions. Then the final few games of the year he had good stats when our season was over but Rex loyalists were playing for rexs job.we played teams eliminated from the playoffs who were playing half ass to get a better draft position. Proving why no one took him in the first round.

This year:
We were fed bs stories about how great he looked in camp. Then IK became this season's MVP.

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[mykcuz]

Geno career is 25 tds and 34 picks Fitz career is 123 and 101.. Now if you just want to use last year Geno was 13-13 in 13 games and Fitz was 17-8 in 12 games..

It's people like you who ruin this board. Who cares about facts?

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[Savage69]

It's people like you who ruin this board. Who cares about facts?

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Excellent point and not the first time I've heard it..