Attention Sheldon Richardson: DO NOT Accept Your Suspension!!

[Green Jets & Ham]

It appears that way, and in the beginning I agreed but it has been explained that the posters were being satirical to prove a point that if you complain and make ridiculous allegations, you'll get off in court due to technicalities.

THANK GOD somebody gets it!!

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

It appears that way, and in the beginning I agreed but it has been explained that the posters were being satirical to prove a point that if you complain and make ridiculous allegations, you'll get off in court due to technicalities.

That's an extremely stupid "point." It betrays a complete ignorance of the legal questions at hand. And it is ignorant to say that the reasons for the decision were "technicalities," especially if one hasn't read the decision and doesn't even know what the "technicalities" are. Those "technicalities," taken together as a whole, comprise what we know as "the law." Every case is decided on "technicalities," the law is very complex and ever changing, and it relies on courts to apply past results to novel situations. They have to make decisions on the basis of these rules, it is their very purpose and function.

There may be an argument to be made about the judge vacating the arbitrators decision, but courts DO have the power to do it when circumstances are appropriate, so people shouldn't act like this is some unconstitutional usurpation of power by the courts, because it PLAINLY and UNQUESTIONABLY is NOT.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Anyone see the cameras zoom in on Richardson last night? He was sitting there looking sloppy.

I mean the only thing missing was a joint hanging out of his mouth.

Mc, I respect you immensely, but I resent the implication that Sheldon Richardson smokes marijuana. You are repeating a vicious smear by Roger Goodell and the NFL operatives who are determined to take Sheldon Richardson down. Haters who are jealous of his success. Racially motivated? Yep, that too! Goodell's grandfather was a card carrying member of the KKK, its the dirty little secret nobody talks about, but the man clearly has racism in his DNA. Anyway, regardless of the reason, jealously or race, or both, the one thing we know for certain is that Richardson was FRAMED, and yes, the people who administered his testing were in on the conspiracy too ... FACT!!!

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

That's an extremely stupid "point." It betrays a complete ignorance of the legal questions at hand. And it is ignorant to say that the reasons for the decision were "technicalities,"

JB, the point is, this hearing had absolutely nothing to do with guilt or innocence, the judge never even considered guilt or innocence in his decision, never even cited it in his convoluted opinion, he cut Brady loose over PROCESS, yanked his entire four game suspension, despite the fact that any thinking human-being knows the muthaeffer is GUILTY AS SIN.

Do you call that justice?

NOT ME

I look at Sheldon sitting four games for smoking weed, and Brady grinning from ear to ear as he prepares for opening day, after cheating in the AFC Championship Game and everybody knows he cheated, and I see a miscarriage of justice that borders on the obscene, further evidence that this country is falling apart at the seams.

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

Mc, I respect you immensely, but I resent the implication that Sheldon Richardson smokes marijuana. You are repeating a vicious smear by Roger Goodell and the NFL operatives who are determined to take Sheldon Richardson down. Haters who are jealous of his success. Racially motivated? Yep, that too! Goodell's grandfather was a card carrying member of the KKK, its the dirty little secret nobody talks about, but the man clearly has racism in his DNA. Anyway, regardless of the reason, jealously or race, or both, the one thing we know for certain is that Richardson was FRAMED, and yes, the people who administered his testing were in on the conspiracy too ... FACT!!!

 

[Elias]

That's an extremely stupid "point." It betrays a complete ignorance of the legal questions at hand. And it is ignorant to say that the reasons for the decision were "technicalities," especially if one hasn't read the decision and doesn't even know what the "technicalities" are. Those "technicalities," taken together as a whole, comprise what we know as "the law." Every case is decided on "technicalities," the law is very complex and ever changing, and it relies on courts to apply past results to novel situations. They have to make decisions on the basis of these rules, it is their very purpose and function.

There may be an argument to be made about the judge vacating the arbitrators decision, but courts DO have the power to do it when circumstances are appropriate, so people shouldn't act like this is some unconstitutional usurpation of power by the courts, because it PLAINLY and UNQUESTIONABLY is NOT.

Thanks. I'm not going to pretend like I can come up with any type of rebuttal to your post. It wasn't even my point Lol. Anything I learned about deflategate I learned from here, for better or worse It's nice to get a perspective from all sides.

The law is very complex and people go to school for years to learn. Most of us are probably laymen and to top it all off nut job Jets fans!


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[Green Jets & Ham]

LOL

I just hope people understand that I am impersonating every Patriots fan on the planet, the shit we had to listen to for six months from these people was unreal, and the sick part is, these delusional, conspiratorial, arrogant, whining a-holes were REWARD FOR IT, in the end they were REWARDED FOR IT and got their way. That sickens me!

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

I get it.

Let's face it, if the NFL really cared about cheating, they never would have allowed Brady to play in the Superbowl. By not suspending him for the "big game", they sent a clear signal that they will tolerate cheating in order to make more money.

The whole post-Superbowl investigation, suspension, appeal and ultimate over-ruling was nothing more than a dog and pony show to allow the league to feign interest in the "integrity of the game". It was a farce.

Next Thursday night's game will have record ratings, and the printing press will be cranking out hundies for all involved.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

JB, the point is, this hearing had absolutely nothing to do with guilt or innocence, the judge never even considered guilt or innocence in his decision, never even cited it in his convoluted opinion, he cut Brady loose over PROCESS, yanked his entire four game suspension, despite the fact that any thinking human-being knows the muthaeffer is GUILTY AS SIN.

Do you call that justice?

NOT ME

I look at Sheldon sitting four games for smoking weed, and Brady grinning from ear to ear as he prepares for opening day, after cheating in the AFC Championship Game and everybody knows he cheated, and I see a miscarriage of justice that borders on the obscene, further evidence that this country is falling apart at the seams.

I'm gonna accept that you are being satirical, and assume therefore there is no real reason to argue against what you are saying here. But I would like to say this: yes, I consider it justice. I don't like the result, but it always rankles me to see people acting like procedural issues are somehow "technicalities" which shouldn't count. The constitutional requirement of due process is where these procedural "technicalities" come from. To not follow the procedure is to deny due process, something which courts cannot abide by. So, when a court (or an arbitrator in this case) is found to have rendered a decision using a process which does not comport with the due process requirement, the court is required to vacate that decision. This is not a "technicality," it is a court protecting a fundamental right. The alternative is to allow courts to ignore process violations, which would be so much more harmful to individual rights than basically anything could be. A court that need not follow procedural rules could be very arbitrary in the way it applies the law, and a fundamental value of our legal system is consistency in application of the law (a value that the system does not always live up to by any means, but it is the stated goal).

What would be much more harmful and significantly less fair would be to allow courts to disregard procedural issues so that they can reach the results that you like.

But again, since you are being satirical, please understand that my answer is directed to the satirical version of you.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

Thanks. I'm not going to pretend like I can come up with any type of rebuttal to your post. It wasn't even my point Lol. Anything I learned about deflategate I learned from here, for better or worse It's nice to get a perspective from all sides.

The law is very complex and people go to school for years to learn. Most of us are probably laymen and to top it all off nut job Jets fans!


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It is very complex, so I hate to see people boil it down like it is so simple.

 

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[jets82]

I get it.

Let's face it, if the NFL really cared about cheating, they never would have allowed Brady to play in the Superbowl. By not suspending him for the "big game", they sent a clear signal that they will tolerate cheating in order to make more money.

The whole post-Superbowl investigation, suspension, appeal and ultimate over-ruling was nothing more than a dog and pony show to allow the league to feign interest in the "integrity of the game". It was a farce.

Next Thursday night's game will have record ratings, and the printing press will be cranking out hundies for all involved.

Thank you. I've been saying it and saying it and saying it, the NFL cares only about keeping the money flowing in their pockets. This image and morality and all that other BS is irrelevant. Seems now its gotten personal because Brady found the loop hole through the BS they were making up to try and punish him. If I'm wrong in my thinking here then so be it but let's move on. If Shelton can fight his way out of his punishment then do it but it seems much more concrete to me of him committing crimes that there are rules against breaking and he also admitting he did it.

 

[jets82]

I'm done and bored with this argument. Pointless to me so I'll let you guys fight this pointless fight. Mainly against eachother because the NFL really doesn't give a shit about our feelings!

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I'm gonna accept that you are being satirical, and assume therefore there is no real reason to argue against what you are saying here. But I would like to say this: yes, I consider it justice. I don't like the result, but it always rankles me to see people acting like procedural issues are somehow "technicalities" which shouldn't count. The constitutional requirement of due process is where these procedural "technicalities" come from. To not follow the procedure is to deny due process, something which courts cannot abide by. So, when a court (or an arbitrator in this case) is found to have rendered a decision using a process which does not comport with the due process requirement, the court is required to vacate that decision. This is not a "technicality," it is a court protecting a fundamental right. The alternative is to allow courts to ignore process violations, which would be so much more harmful to individual rights than basically anything could be. A court that need not follow procedural rules could be very arbitrary in the way it applies the law, and a fundamental value of our legal system is consistency in application of the law (a value that the system does not always live up to by any means, but it is the stated goal).

What would be much more harmful and significantly less fair would be to allow courts to disregard procedural issues so that they can reach the results that you like.

But again, since you are being satirical, please understand that my answer is directed to the satirical version of you.

So basically your argument is that the CBA grants Goodell the authority to use his discretion with punishment for infractions, but in the meantime he better get back to law school and become a Constitutional Scholar, just to be sure he dots every i and crosses every t, otherwise he can suspend a player who committed a triple homicide on live TV, but if he screws up on even one procedural matter, expect some activist Judge to void the suspension?

That might sound like Justice to you, JB, but I can assure you, its not even in the same ballpark as Justice in my view. I don't think Goodell needs to be a Constitutional Scholar to know right from wrong and to punish people who break the rules, and I don't think he needs to hire Constitutional Attorney's to oversee his investigations. That too me is litigious in the extreme. Sometimes common sense needs to prevail, and common sense here is not very complicated, Brady cheated, you know it, I know it, Goodell knows it, heck, Brady's mother knows it, and because he cheated and got caught he was rightfully suspended, and IMO lawyering up and beating the rap over "procedure" is a miscarriage of justice, not justice.

My idea of justice is simple, perhaps too simple for your lawyerly mind; the guilty are punished and the innocent go free.

Anything else may be justified from a legal POV, but it is not JUSTICE.

 

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Which $1,000,000,000 corporation gives a crap about people's "feelings"

 

[Elias]

Which $1,000,000,000 corporation gives a crap about people's "feelings"

JetsFansUnited, LLC

Lol, jk. There's no LLC here.

Edit: and no money

 

[Bronx]

Lol Ham


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[flgreen]

So basically your argument is that the CBA grants Goodell the authority to use his discretion with punishment for infractions, but in the meantime he better get back to law school and become a Constitutional Scholar, just to be sure he dots every i and crosses every t, otherwise he can suspend a player who committed a triple homicide on live TV, but if he screws up on even one procedure matter, expect some activist Judge to void the suspension?

That might sound like Justice to you, JB, but I can assure you, its not even in the same ballpark as Justice in my view. I don't think Goodell needs to be a Constitutional Scholar to know right from wrong and to punish people who break the rules, and I don't think he needs to hire Constitutional Attorney's to oversee his investigations. That too me is litigious in the extreme. Sometimes common sense needs to prevail, and common sense here is not very complicated, Brady cheated, you know it, I know it, Goodell knows it, heck, Brady's mother knows it, and because he cheated and got caught he was rightfully suspended, and IMO lawyering up and beating the rap over "procedure" is a miscarriage of justice, not justice.

My idea of justice is simple, perhaps too simple for your lawyerly mind; the guilty are punished and the innocent go free.

Anything else may be justified from a legal POV, but it is not JUSTICE.

There is 1 lawyer for every 250 people, including children in the US. In order to continue making 6 figures, they have to create litigation. So of course they are always trying to over complicate what they do.

Not about justice. Like with the NFL, it''s about skinning their assigned 250 people out of as much money as they can

 

[Elias]

So basically your argument is that the CBA grants Goodell the authority to use his discretion with punishment for infractions, but in the meantime he better get back to law school and become a Constitutional Scholar, just to be sure he dots every i and crosses every t, otherwise he can suspend a player who committed a triple homicide on live TV, but if he screws up on even one procedural matter, expect some activist Judge to void the suspension?

That might sound like Justice to you, JB, but I can assure you, its not even in the same ballpark as Justice in my view. I don't think Goodell needs to be a Constitutional Scholar to know right from wrong and to punish people who break the rules, and I don't think he needs to hire Constitutional Attorney's to oversee his investigations. That too me is litigious in the extreme. Sometimes common sense needs to prevail, and common sense here is not very complicated, Brady cheated, you know it, I know it, Goodell knows it, heck, Brady's mother knows it, and because he cheated and got caught he was rightfully suspended, and IMO lawyering up and beating the rap over "procedure" is a miscarriage of justice, not justice.

My idea of justice is simple, perhaps too simple for your lawyerly mind; the guilty are punished and the innocent go free.

Anything else may be justified from a legal POV, but it is not JUSTICE.

I would say 99% of the people would agree with you but unfortunately that's not the case. The process in how evidence is retrieved plays a big role in cases. Sometimes weapons that we know the killer used cannot be introduced as evidence in the court room due to how it was obtained by the police. You ever saw Law Abiding Citizen? If not, watch it. Highly recommended. That's you in this whole argument.

 

[SackExchange]

how is this anti-jets? we weren't even supposed to play them during the suspension.

you could say it is anti-steeler (rooney family), anti-cowboys (jerry jones), anti-bills and anti-jags.

as to sheldon, i assume you also want legarette blount's suspension overturned?

All I was doing is using the very same language Patriots fans used. After all, it's incredibly effective for them getting away with indiscretions.