Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, Nick Mangold skipping Jets OTAs

[SackExchange]

That would be a tough choice for Mac to make because then we are going into the season with no experience at backup.

But what else would he do? He'd either have to carry four QBs, or cut Petty or Hackenberg. Do you see either of those things happening?

 

[mykcuz]

But what else would he do? He'd either have to carry four QBs, or cut Petty or Hackenberg. Do you see either of those things happening?

I believe geno's pay is fully guaranteed this final year of his contract. Considering he has starting experience, he's guaranteed, his pay is minimal I think he's safe this year, unless the admin really doesn't like him. I do believe we will carry 4. If Fitz had a good year, gets hurt for 3 games, we don't want to throw the season away by not having a backup with a chance of going 1-2 or 2-1 in Fitz absence. Going 0-3 with a rookie would end the playoff race.

I think geno is safe because of his starting experience, talent, and miniscule pay. That being said, if he is cut, we will know that this admin really didn't find him redeemable.

We have to wait to find out. The thing we hate the most.

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[usapaw]

are you suggesting marshall & decker are not indeed boycotting?? because bowles has already confirmed they have been absent for the start of OTA's..

They both know they are not getting cut and why attend a voluntary camp in May? Bowles didn't say they were boycotting anything, did he? Drama Queens.

 

[mykcuz]

Or hypothetical #2 -- Fitz signs and gets hurt (realistic considering his age/history). Are these guys really stupid enough to think it's "Fitz or bust"? Do they not see the benefit of working with ALL the QBs (and mentoring the young WRs) to increase the chances that this season ISN'T a trainwreck if Fitz is removed from the equation? Idiots.

It's one thing to "stick up for your QB" against management -- it's another to do it at the expense of your other teammates . . .

These are vets missing voluntary workouts, it's not ideal. I'd love to have a complete team come together and get to work. But I do think this is telling. This is out of character for these guys, even if it's just Decker. It means they put a lot of stock in Fitz being re signed. Decker and Marshall don't want to waste 2 more years here and either retire or try to find a new team. This is it, they want to win a super bowl and they want it here.

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[OCCH]

These are vets missing voluntary workouts, it's not ideal. I'd love to have a complete team come together and get to work. But I do think this is telling. This is out of character for these guys, even if it's just Decker. It means they put a lot of stock in Fitz being re signed. Decker and Marshall don't want to waste 2 more years here and either retire or try to find a new team. This is it, they want to win a super bowl and they want it here.

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I realize we're all overreacting to OTAs, but "hypothetically" you can't be focused on a SB run and sabotage the start of the season at the same time. Sanchez is proof that ANYTHING can happen if things fall your way, so show up, do whatever you can to maximize the talent on the roster and trust the FO/CS are as dedicated to winning as you are . . .

 

[mykcuz]

I realize we're all overreacting to OTAs, but "hypothetically" you can't be focused on a SB run and sabotage the start of the season at the same time. Sanchez is proof that ANYTHING can happen if things fall your way, so show up, do whatever you can to maximize the talent on the roster and trust the FO/CS are as dedicated to winning as you are . . .

I think it just speaks to Deckers opinion of the situation. He is very professional, this is out of character, shows his opinion.

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[jetgreen13]

They both know they are not getting cut and why attend a voluntary camp in May? Bowles didn't say they were boycotting anything, did he? Drama Queens.

instead of sounding like a naive dope, he should have said nothing.. but if he was indeed asked, saying something like "we're coaching the guys that chose to be here" would have been a much better response in my book..

drama queens my ass..

 

[flgreen]

i hope bowles was asked about the trio missing the 1st two OTA's instead of offering his facetious take on it.. why BS the press/the fan base just because?? he knows good & damn well at least marshall & decker are boycotting for their guy.. mangold's kid being born was probably just a happy coincidence he hasn't been there either..

LOLz hell, the only reason petty is there is because he would have to be out of his mind not to be..

Agree 100%.

In Petty's case he probably would have been better off if he didn't show, had a very weak day.

 

[OCCH]

I think it just speaks to Deckers opinion of the situation. He is very professional, this is out of character, shows his opinion.

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You're proving my point - he's usually "very professional" and this is "out of character" so by definition his absence is not a professional decision.

The guy is free to do whatever he wants, but I root for the jersey so anything that doesn't put team success first will never sit well with me . . .

 

[flgreen]

When Fitz is signed, my guess is Geno is no longer on the roster to outplay him. Maybe through some of camp, but no way do they go into the season with 4, and he's the guy who would go.

Have to agree with this. It's a very odd precedent that a team's two star WR's, and possibly their All Pro center take such a pro active stance on who the QB should be. Major statement on how the team leadership feels about smith. smith is aware of what's going on, at this point it is best for all party's to separate. I'm sure if smith was to be honest he wants out of NYC badly

 

[flgreen]

]I believe geno's pay is fully guaranteed this final year of his contract.[/B] Considering he has starting experience, he's guaranteed, his pay is minimal I think he's safe this year, unless the admin really doesn't like him. I do believe we will carry 4. If Fitz had a good year, gets hurt for 3 games, we don't want to throw the season away by not having a backup with a chance of going 1-2 or 2-1 in Fitz absence. Going 0-3 with a rookie would end the playoff race.

I think geno is safe because of his starting experience, talent, and miniscule pay. That being said, if he is cut, we will know that this admin really didn't find him redeemable.

We have to wait to find out. The thing we hate the most.

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Contract is not guaranteed. smith's due $1,597,146. If he is cut the Jets save $1,089,491. It is time to flush the toilet on this turd.

Clearly there is more going on here then just football issues. Both Decker, and Mangold are class acts. (yes Mangold's wife had a baby, but I have a feeling he would not be here either. He's a team leader)

smith is not a popular player in the locker room, if he remains on the team there could be more trouble the team doesn't need

 

[mykcuz]

You're proving my point - he's usually "very professional" and this is "out of character" so by definition his absence is not a professional decision.

The guy is free to do whatever he wants, but I root for the jersey so anything that doesn't put team success first will never sit well with me . . .

It's in the eye of the beholder, is mo unprofessional?
I think you're a little too small picture. No offense. But think of this, Mac doesn't want this to be a blue print to getting paid for future players contracts. By team leaders standing up for Fitz, it gives mac a unique excuse to budge without enabling every negotiation to come to a holdout in the future. Maybe not. He's listening to the pulse of the leaders.

But if Decker is a true pro and not unpredictable and hotheaded. Then this shows he feels very strongly about Fitz getting signed, and the starters getting to work. Right now, the backup qb is throwing to backup wrs. If the argument is that he's hurting the backup plan, isn't it more important to have a strong plan. What good is your backup plan, if you fail on your original plan? You don't sacrifice starters for backups. Decker, Marshall, Mangold, Forte want their starter.

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[OCCH]

Have to agree with this. It's a very odd precedent that a team's two star WR's, and possibly their All Pro center take such a pro active stance on who the QB should be. Major statement on how the team leadership feels about smith. smith is aware of what's going on, at this point it is best for all party's to separate. I'm sure if smith was to be honest he wants out of NYC badly

It can't be a statement against Geno without being one against management as well. If these guys want management positions when they retire, great. But for now, just do your job . . .

 

[OCCH]

It's in the eye of the beholder, is mo unprofessional?
I think you're a little too small picture. No offense. But think of this, Mac doesn't want this to be a blue print to getting paid for future players contracts. By team leaders standing up for Fitz, it gives mac a unique excuse to budge without enabling every negotiation to come to a holdout in the future. Maybe not. He's listening to the pulse of the leaders.

But if Decker is a true pro and not unpredictable and hotheaded. Then this shows he feels very strongly about Fitz getting signed, and the starters getting to work. Right now, the backup qb is throwing to backup wrs. If the argument is that he's hurting the backup plan, isn't it more important to have a strong plan. What good is your backup plan, if you fail on your original plan? You don't sacrifice starters for backups. Decker, Marshall, Mangold, Forte want their starter.

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Agree to disagree. Mo has a personal interest in the salary he makes for his services. Decker (if true) thinks he knows how to run the team better than Macc. And as said ad naseum, he could always restructure if he thinks Fitz is that vital, so something tells me he's not as committed to his convictions as some are making him out to be.

And if you think this is doing Macc any favors, I can't imagine a worse precedent he could set than allowing team opinion to dictate FO decisions. Then Mo would just have to get Sheldon and Revis to stay home, no?

 

[mykcuz]

Agree to disagree. Mo has a personal interest in the salary he makes for his services. Decker (if true) thinks he knows how to run the team better than Macc. And as said ad naseum, he could always restructure if he thinks Fitz is that vital, so something tells me he's not as committed to his convictions as some are making him out to be.

And if you think this is doing Macc any favors, I can't imagine a worse precedent he could set than allowing team opinion to dictate FO decisions. Then Mo would just have to get Sheldon and Revis to stay home, no?

I would say teammates sitting out, and specifically respected veterans, is a rare almost non existent occurrence. Equivalent to saying impeaching a president is bad, because everyone will become easily impeached afterwards.

Not many players can replicate this scenario.

If mo is acting in self interest, it's opposite the teammates self interest in a salary capped team. He is franchised, he is getting paid what he's worth under the cba.
If Decker is sitting out voluntary otas, because he wants another player re signed who he believes will improve the team, and his numbers that's also self interest. Otherwise he could just collect his check and not care what happens win or lose.

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[jetgreen13]

Agree 100%.

In Petty's case he probably would have been better off if he didn't show, had a very weak day.

disappointed to hear petty practiced poorly..

where did you get your information??

 

[OCCH]

I would say teammates sitting out, and specifically respected veterans, is a rare almost non existent occurrence. Equivalent to saying impeaching a president is bad, because everyone will become easily impeached afterwards.

Not many players can replicate this scenario.

If mo is acting in self interest, it's opposite the teammates self interest in a salary capped team. He is franchised, he is getting paid what he's worth under the cba.
If Decker is sitting out voluntary otas, because he wants another player re signed who he believes will improve the team, and his numbers that's also self interest. Otherwise he could just collect his check and not care what happens win or lose.

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If you don't see the difference between fighting for your own contract vs. someone else's, I don't know what to tell you.

Apparently Fitz is SO important to this team that concerned teammates have to take unprecedented measures to ensure he's on the roster, steps that haven't been resorted to for any other contract holdout in NFL history.

I guess I didn't realize a SB dynasty hangs in the balance . . .

 

[mykcuz]

disappointed to hear petty practiced poorly..

where did you get your information??

Petty is practicing on field 1 with geno, he's getting the backup reps.
Hack is on field 2 with rookies and invitees, also missing throws high. I don't think we should listen to these reports quite yet.

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[mykcuz]

If you don't see the difference between fighting for your own contract vs. someone else's, I don't know what to tell you.

Apparently Fitz is SO important to this team that concerned teammates have to take unprecedented measures to ensure he's on the roster, steps that haven't been resorted to for any other contract holdout in NFL history.

I guess I didn't realize a SB dynasty hangs in the balance . . .

So holding out for your own paycheck is ok, but holding out for your starting qb is selfish? Isn't that the opposite of selfish?

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[isired]

I can't see them carrying 4 QBs - too limiting on the reps for each. Either Petty or Geno will be gone IMO. If it's Petty, I assume they try to waive/PS him, but from what I hear someone will likely grab him.