Bryce Petty hesitation reveals power problem Jets owner created

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New York Post -- Mike Maccagnan’s mid-season press conference went a lot like the 2016 Jets offense — plenty of punts, not much action and some things to make you scratch your head.

The Jets general manager never looks comfortable in these settings and was particularly evasive on Wednesday in a boardroom inside the Jets’ headquarters. He pushed off most questions to the end of the season, defended the play of struggling cornerback Darrelle Revis and expressed some level of disappointment in his 3-7 team’s performance.

But it was his answers on one subject that underscore an issue with the power structure at One Jets Drive. Maccagnan completely deferred to coach Todd Bowles on who the starting quarterback should be for the rest of the season.

The decision seems simple at 3-7. They can chase a 6-10 record by rolling Ryan Fitzpatrick back out there against the Patriots on Nov. 27, or they can turn the page to 2017 by starting Bryce Petty. Not a tough choice.

“I would say simply the decision is Todd’s,” Maccagnan said. “If Todd feels that’s the right approach to take and gives us the best chance to be successful, I’m sure he’ll do that.”

Here’s the rub: Bowles is a coach. Coaches are wired for the short term. This needs to be a long-term decision. Maccagnan needs to be able to make a decision on Petty heading into this offseason. He needs to see him play. The organization needs to see him play. Fitzpatrick has no future with the Jets. What is the point of playing him?
But Bowles surely sees a difference between 6-10 and 4-12 that fans and anyone taking the long view don’t. Bowles said this week that Maccagnan basically will be informed of his decision when he makes it.

“Just me and the coaches, and once I know what I’m thinking, I’ll run it by Woody [Johnson] and Mike,’’ Bowles said of the decision-making process.
Maccagnan took issue with that Wednesday, saying he does have input into the decision. But Bowles does not need to listen to him. Jets owner Johnson put Bowles and Maccagnan on equal footing when he hired them in January 2015. Unlike most GM-coach relationships in sports, Bowles does not work for Maccagnan. They report to Johnson as equals.

That setup has led to what feels like a leadership void with the Jets. Who is really in charge? Is Maccagnan? Well, then this team should be looking at 2017. Is Bowles? Then the Jets might still be chasing meaningless wins in 2016.

Johnson set it up this way with the best intentions. He saw the mess that was the John Idzik-Rex Ryan relationship and thought this was a better setup. It gives Bowles control over the depth chart. In most cases, that works. Maccagnan does not need to dictate who the starting right tackle should be. This quarterback decision is different, though. It has effects beyond the next six weeks.

Look at it this way: Do you think Joe Girardi wanted to blow up the Yankees at midseason this year and go with the kids? No, Girardi surely wanted to try to win as many games as possible. But Brian Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner decided to trade away assets with an eye toward the future.

Mets general manager Sandy Alderson once said, “If an organization is worth its salt — why would you turn that company over to a middle manager? … We’re not looking for someone to tell us how to run the team, or upon which theory it should be predicated. We already have that. We want someone who is going to implement it for us. That’s a very different approach.”

I think Bowles should be more than a puppet, like how the “Moneyball” approach views managers/coaches, but Alderson has a point. Why should Bowles dictate the future of a Jets organization he may not be part of? Maccagnan should be setting that course along with Johnson.

“You want to see young players play, but you want to make sure they’re ready for that,” Maccagnan said. “To me, it’s a more complicated decision than some people realize. Me personally, I’d like to see whatever’s in the best interest of the organization, both short-term and long-term.”

I guess Bowles will let him know what that is soon.
 

gastineau

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Hey gmf, right now our JETS are a disaster with no one in charge. GM making horrible decisions starting with Drafts & not getting rid of Players & Coaches that are causing problem on & off the field. Bowles lost control of Vet Players & they dont respect him at all & when other teams OC is screwing up, GM's or HC are firing them on the spot before the season goes down the toilet. So lets see...Revis comes in over weight & out of shape & it shows. So why wasnt a weight clause put into contract? Wilkerson/Richardson effort in games or I should say lack of, is disgusting! You can see their lack of effort in games & taking plays off. So whats Bowles doing about it? Nothing & in fact it took most of the season before saying something about missing meeting & being late. Its like Bowles is scared to say anything to JETS big stars in fear of them not playing hard. Guess what Bowles? They arent playing hard anyways! So why isNT JETS GM trading or cutting Revis-Wilk-Richardson? I want them traded to worst NFL team like the Browns for any draft pick, even a 7th. Now Gailey..why is he still here? Up in his sky box & doesnt know what is happening with players on the field & to top it off, he admits to not knowing what down it is when sending in plays! WTF??? You got to be kidding. Thats a reason to fire Gailey right there! 3rd & 1ft & Gailey's sending in a 20yds bomb down field with no RB on the field to make Defenses play like its a possible run which it should have. Right now with Jets GM not answering about issues & zero action towards fixing any of these problems, makes Jets GM the number 1 problem! Woody might have to clean house if Jets GM & HC cant do their jobs & take care of these problems that are getting worse. As a Jets fan I want Revis- Richardson & Gailey gone & if firing those 3 dont motivate Wilkerson? Then I want him gone also. If nothing gets done at all? Then I want MM-Bowles gone for not doing their job & making zero effort to fix this & send a message to other players & coaches that their lazy actions & lack of coaching seriously or playing 100% will not be tolerated no matter how big a star or great a coach you think you are. Mikey Mac & Bowles answers to us fans through the media ,tells me they dont care & are happy the way coaches & players being paid millions are currently working. WOODY-JETS GM OR HC DO SOMETHING.. TO SHOW US FANS THAT YOU CARE! OR MAYBE I'LL QUIT CARING FOR JETS AFTER 46 YEARS!
 

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The players you mention have them by the b*lls. Revis could care less if you cut him, same with Wilkerson. We just guaranteed him a fortune.
Mangold is just milking it too. Tell me which one of those slugs doesn't make out like a bandit if you cut them today?
As much as it would pain me, I would hire Coughlin tomorrow just to discipline these assh*les.
 

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if i'm maccagnan i say something along these lines, no later than today..

"todd, starting ryan is your call.. woody set up this ass backward chain of command, so i'm stuck with it, at least for the time being.. but know this.. if you do name ryan the starter for any other reason aside from an injury to bryce, i'm going to do everything in my power to get you fired, immediately.."

"i'm not putting myself in position to get fired along with you because you want to go 6 & plucking 10 todd.. are we clear??"
 

NYJETSDAN16

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Just playing Devils advocate here,


This is the problem Woody Johnson created by firing John Idzik after two seasons. He inadvertantly turned this regime into the Browns.

Instead of giving a GM time to build the right way he instead fed into fans and the media on how to run the business. So to Bowles defense, the guy wants to win games to build his resume for his next job. He is no dummy, if he ends the season at 3-13, 4-12 or 5-11... there is a legit chance that he will be fired after two seasons.

Sure the general consensus is to start Petty and see what you have. Though Todd will not see it that way because he knows that Woody is an erratic owner who would rather listen and read reports from Manish Mehta than make long term decisions talking with people of knowledge within the league and organization.

Woody is the problem folks, not Todd nor Mac. Both of them are in Fear of their jobs. They both want to hit lotto on their first try or they know their fate is on a short leash. The thought of playing Fitzpatrick to a die hard Jets fan is a true nightmare. Yet to Bowles, its the only viable option that gives him the best chance to possibly some what salvage this season to a 7-9 campaign that would make his record as Head coach in this league 19-17 (keep in mind he was 2-1 as interim coach in Miami).


(also keep in mind, This coach has no Balls regardless. If he wont go for it on a 4rth and 1, he sure as hell wont insert Bryce Petty to develop in real games. Bowles will put his own career first and foremost above any player)
 

mykcuz

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Just playing Devils advocate here,


This is the problem Woody Johnson created by firing John Idzik after two seasons. He inadvertantly turned this regime into the Browns.

Instead of giving a GM time to build the right way he instead fed into fans and the media on how to run the business. So to Bowles defense, the guy wants to win games to build his resume for his next job. He is no dummy, if he ends the season at 3-13, 4-12 or 5-11... there is a legit chance that he will be fired after two seasons.

Sure the general consensus is to start Petty and see what you have. Though Todd will not see it that way because he knows that Woody is an erratic owner who would rather listen and read reports from Manish Mehta than make long term decisions talking with people of knowledge within the league and organization.

Woody is the problem folks, not Todd nor Mac. Both of them are in Fear of their jobs. They both want to hit lotto on their first try or they know their fate is on a short leash. The thought of playing Fitzpatrick to a die hard Jets fan is a true nightmare. Yet to Bowles, its the only viable option that gives him the best chance to possibly some what salvage this season to a 7-9 campaign that would make his record as Head coach in this league 19-17 (keep in mind he was 2-1 as interim coach in Miami).


(also keep in mind, This coach has no Balls regardless. If he wont go for it on a 4rth and 1, he sure as hell wont insert Bryce Petty to develop in real games. Bowles will put his own career first and foremost above any player)
John idzik destroyed 2 years and 20 picks in the draft. Almost every one of his picks is out of the nfl. Firing him was the only way forward. Hiring idzik was the real problem.

Let's cool it now with hating on Mac. We're in a good financial position, his picks are developing and contributing. Hell he picked up Anderson undrafted. The fact is, mac is tight lipped,he's not telling us the real thought process.

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NYJETSDAN16

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John idzik destroyed 2 years and 20 picks in the draft. Almost every one of his picks is out of the nfl. Firing him was the only way forward. Hiring idzik was the real problem.

Let's cool it now with hating on Mac. We're in a good financial position, his picks are developing and contributing. Hell he picked up Anderson undrafted. The fact is, mac is tight lipped,he's not telling us the real thought process.

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I have no issue with mac. I honestly feel he thinks he is safe and i'am all about that. I actually like him.

It's Bowles that i feel he's making decisions on the mere fact that Woody is trigger happy when results are underwhelming. How else can we explain the choice of Fitz over developing the young QB's giving them these last 6 games as some sort of game time experience that they can build on.
 

mykcuz

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I have no issue with mac. I honestly feel he thinks he is safe and i'am all about that. I actually like him.

It's Bowles that i feel he's making decisions on the mere fact that Woody is trigger happy when results are underwhelming. How else can we explain the choice of Fitz over developing the young QB's giving them these last 6 games as some sort of game time experience that they can build on.
Sometimes when you have a shit team, every one gets blamed. Perhaps if we had an nfl ready team,Bowles would look competent,I don't know.

When you hire a first time head coach, you can not take the approach that Bowles must be a top nfl coach day one. You know there's going to be growing pains and mistakes. You hope that the coach and players can grow together.

Mac has always said this is a long term build without throwing in the towel short term. And I agree that's what must be done. He has been better at drafting than anyone in recent memory, when you consider what he gave up to get our best offense ever last year, it was genius. Basically a hand full of late round picks.

Mac is building long term through the draft, I believe a 5 year plan. Within the cracks of the build, they are assembling complimentary players. Some pan out,some don't, but you have to watch them play. If we drop in wins year 2 of a5 year plan,who cares?

The goal in year 5 is to have a good mix of talent,and a heavy percentage of home grown talent, about 35 draft picks plus undrafted free agents,etc. Hopefully in that time,Bowles takes his lumps and we find a good qb. If Bowles is a failure after 3 years, then we make a change and the new coach has 2 years with the team heading into 2019.

Why not play petty? Because he's not ready and they don't want to get him hurt in a meaningless game. If our o o line didn't suck, he might be the starter already.

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jetgreen13

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Sometimes when you have a shit team, every one gets blamed. Perhaps if we had an nfl ready team,Bowles would look competent,I don't know.
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When you hire a first time head coach, you can not take the approach that Bowles must be a top nfl coach day one. You know there's going to be growing pains and mistakes. You hope that the coach and players can grow together.

Mac has always said this is a long term build without throwing in the towel short term. And I agree that's what must be done. He has been better at drafting than anyone in recent memory, when you consider what he gave up to get our best offense ever last year, it was genius. Basically a hand full of late round picks.

Mac is building long term through the draft, I believe a 5 year plan. Within the cracks of the build, they are assembling complimentary players. Some pan out,some don't, but you have to watch them play. If we drop in wins year 2 of a5 year plan,who cares?

The goal in year 5 is to have a good mix of talent,and a heavy percentage of home grown talent, about 35 draft picks plus undrafted free agents,etc. Hopefully in that time,Bowles takes his lumps and we find a good qb. If Bowles is a failure after 3 years, then we make a change and the new coach has 2 years with the team heading into 2019.

Why not play petty? Because he's not ready and they don't want to get him hurt in a meaningless game. If our o o line didn't suck, he might be the starter already.

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if petty's health was a major concern of bowles, he wouldn't have fed him to the the wolves in preseason..

still haven't forgotten/forgiven how bowles watched petty continue to get the hell knocked out of him until he got his throwing shoulder plucked up..

the jury is still out on his arm strength, BTW.. i can't remember even one zipped pass against LA.. even the long pass to anderson was a balloon..
 

NYJETSDAN16

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Sometimes when you have a shit team, every one gets blamed. Perhaps if we had an nfl ready team,Bowles would look competent,I don't know.

When you hire a first time head coach, you can not take the approach that Bowles must be a top nfl coach day one. You know there's going to be growing pains and mistakes. You hope that the coach and players can grow together.

Mac has always said this is a long term build without throwing in the towel short term. And I agree that's what must be done. He has been better at drafting than anyone in recent memory, when you consider what he gave up to get our best offense ever last year, it was genius. Basically a hand full of late round picks.

Mac is building long term through the draft, I believe a 5 year plan. Within the cracks of the build, they are assembling complimentary players. Some pan out,some don't, but you have to watch them play. If we drop in wins year 2 of a5 year plan,who cares?

The goal in year 5 is to have a good mix of talent,and a heavy percentage of home grown talent, about 35 draft picks plus undrafted free agents,etc. Hopefully in that time,Bowles takes his lumps and we find a good qb. If Bowles is a failure after 3 years, then we make a change and the new coach has 2 years with the team heading into 2019.

Why not play petty? Because he's not ready and they don't want to get him hurt in a meaningless game. If our o o line didn't suck, he might be the starter already.

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I agree 100% with everything you stated because it has something Woody Johnson lacks, its called "Logic".

I'am convinced that Johnson will fire Bowles by the end of the season or before the '16 campaign ends. I just have this inkling that he'll appease the masses.

Just curious, what would you do with Bowles?
 

mykcuz

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I agree 100% with everything you stated because it has something Woody Johnson lacks, its called "Logic".

I'am convinced that Johnson will fire Bowles by the end of the season or before the '16 campaign ends. I just have this inkling that he'll appease the masses.

Just curious, what would you do with Bowles?
I'd let him finish the season and take stock. I think everyone looks bad now.

I've always said that this team was assembled to succeed if everyone stays healthy. Last year we were a healthy team,this year everyone is injured and we have suffered greatly from it.

As of today, I'd keep Bowles another year. We can argue about his choice to make aqb switch, but he did go to geno, he just doesn't think petty is ready.

Petty needed those pre season reps,and he was playing against 3rd stringers and bubble guys. If he can't handle that,he can't start in a regular game.

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Just playing Devils advocate here,


This is the problem Woody Johnson created by firing John Idzik after two seasons. He inadvertantly turned this regime into the Browns.

Instead of giving a GM time to build the right way he instead fed into fans and the media on how to run the business. So to Bowles defense, the guy wants to win games to build his resume for his next job. He is no dummy, if he ends the season at 3-13, 4-12 or 5-11... there is a legit chance that he will be fired after two seasons.

Sure the general consensus is to start Petty and see what you have. Though Todd will not see it that way because he knows that Woody is an erratic owner who would rather listen and read reports from Manish Mehta than make long term decisions talking with people of knowledge within the league and organization.

Woody is the problem folks, not Todd nor Mac. Both of them are in Fear of their jobs. They both want to hit lotto on their first try or they know their fate is on a short leash. The thought of playing Fitzpatrick to a die hard Jets fan is a true nightmare. Yet to Bowles, its the only viable option that gives him the best chance to possibly some what salvage this season to a 7-9 campaign that would make his record as Head coach in this league 19-17 (keep in mind he was 2-1 as interim coach in Miami).


(also keep in mind, This coach has no Balls regardless. If he wont go for it on a 4rth and 1, he sure as hell wont insert Bryce Petty to develop in real games. Bowles will put his own career first and foremost above any player)

Compare Woody Johnson to other owners of winning teams. There is no comparison. They seem to demand excellence, and to really understand what it takes. Woody seems weak and indecisive and way out of his depth.
Inheriting a fortune does not make you a genius...
 

jetgreen13

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Compare Woody Johnson to other owners of winning teams. There is no comparison. They seem to demand excellence, and to really understand what it takes. Woody seems weak and indecisive and way out of his depth.
Inheriting a fortune does not make you a genius...
agreed.. but as i'm sure you already know, we are stuck with him..

what is, is.....
 
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I have no issue with mac. I honestly feel he thinks he is safe and i'am all about that. I actually like him.

It's Bowles that i feel he's making decisions on the mere fact that Woody is trigger happy when results are underwhelming. How else can we explain the choice of Fitz over developing the young QB's giving them these last 6 games as some sort of game time experience that they can build on.

You should. You cannot honestly tell me this season's debacle is 100% Todd Boles and the rest of the coaching staff's failure?

No, this was a team effort all the way and you know it. If Mac had bothered to be even the slightest bit more responsive to need picks, this team would likely not look like the complete piece of shit that they do. Everyone knew this team needed OL. It had been mentioned many times in articles from draftniks, various sports media sources, and ALL Jets fan sites that fans visit. Hell, even Mac brought it up prior to the draft.

Instead, he said fuck the OL because I can't make the EXACT deal that I want to make to trade up and get Laremy Tunsil? No, he's so brilliant (in his own mind that is) that he's going to draft an undersized, situational linebacker. Darron Lee is never on the field when the Jets defense lines up in a 3-4 formation. Therefore he is a part time player. In other words, he THINKS this team will still be competitive despite not picking an every down player.

Even further, he says to hell with trading up in the 2nd round and getting the Tackle from Indiana (name?) and goes with a DEVELOPMENTAL QB. The pick reminds me of Mike Tannenbaum selecting Vladimir Ducasse as a DEVELOPMENTAL RT in the 2nd round.

It has already been established in our team's history that you do NOT select developmental picks utilizing a 2nd rounder when the team has so many needs to begin with. It's a waste of a pick and it was one of the big reasons Tanny got shitcanned.

But apparently Mac thinks it is a free ride for him to do whatever he deems necessary with the Jets draft picks.

All I can tell you is, Mac is to be blamed for this POS product we are forced to watch every weekend because he was the one controlling our draft picks.

But what really pisses me off is him claiming that Todd Bowles is a great HC. That is a direct insult of everyone's intelligence right there. If he actually believes that then I think he should be fired at season end also. It is so easy and plain to see that Todd Bowles is barely better as a HC than Rich Kotite......
 

NYJETSDAN16

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You should. You cannot honestly tell me this season's debacle is 100% Todd Boles and the rest of the coaching staff's failure?

No, this was a team effort all the way and you know it. If Mac had bothered to be even the slightest bit more responsive to need picks, this team would likely not look like the complete piece of shit that they do. Everyone knew this team needed OL. It had been mentioned many times in articles from draftniks, various sports media sources, and ALL Jets fan sites that fans visit. Hell, even Mac brought it up prior to the draft.

Instead, he said fuck the OL because I can't make the EXACT deal that I want to make to trade up and get Laremy Tunsil? No, he's so brilliant (in his own mind that is) that he's going to draft an undersized, situational linebacker. Darron Lee is never on the field when the Jets defense lines up in a 3-4 formation. Therefore he is a part time player. In other words, he THINKS this team will still be competitive despite not picking an every down player.

Even further, he says to hell with trading up in the 2nd round and getting the Tackle from Indiana (name?) and goes with a DEVELOPMENTAL QB. The pick reminds me of Mike Tannenbaum selecting Vladimir Ducasse as a DEVELOPMENTAL RT in the 2nd round.

It has already been established in our team's history that you do NOT select developmental picks utilizing a 2nd rounder when the team has so many needs to begin with. It's a waste of a pick and it was one of the big reasons Tanny got shitcanned.

But apparently Mac thinks it is a free ride for him to do whatever he deems necessary with the Jets draft picks.

All I can tell you is, Mac is to be blamed for this POS product we are forced to watch every weekend because he was the one controlling our draft picks.

But what really pisses me off is him claiming that Todd Bowles is a great HC. That is a direct insult of everyone's intelligence right there. If he actually believes that then I think he should be fired at season end also. It is so easy and plain to see that Todd Bowles is barely better as a HC than Rich Kotite......

But Maine,
you gotta tell us how you "REALLY" feel about Mac.
 

NYJETSDAN16

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You cannot honestly with a straight face think that you have "NO ISSUES" with Mac. That's simply not possible.

nah my man, i'am just kidding around with ya. Of course he has to harness as much of the blame as Todd. No denying that whatsoever.

I just feel, in game situations that Bowles has failed as bad or even worse than Mac:

1-Not going for it on 4rth down many times when the game is in the balance.

2-Not pulling Fitz in the KC game when it was still well within our reach when he threw his 4rth pick.

3-Kicking it to the same guy in the Dolphins game for the second time knowing that he broke off 5-6 tackles the first time he kicked off to him that was called back due to a Miami holding call.

4-Having the team play out of posiion most of the time.

5-Playing Sheldon at LB'r.
 

lounap23

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You cannot honestly with a straight face think that you have "NO ISSUES" with Mac. That's simply not possible.

This is a a hindsight is 20/20 thought process... But that is the life of being a GM you are usually judged well after your decisions. though I think the jury is still out... I do feel like the play at QB and the defensive scheme this year is why we are 3-7 and not 7-3 or 6-4. So I have some issues with Macc but I can't put more than 20% of the blame on him.... Or 100% for resigning Fitz... lol
 

Green Jets & Ham

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if i'm maccagnan i say something along these lines, no later than today..

"todd, starting ryan is your call.. woody set up this ass backward chain of command, so i'm stuck with it, at least for the time being.. but know this.. if you do name ryan the starter for any other reason aside from an injury to bryce, i'm going to do everything in my power to get you fired, immediately.."

"i'm not putting myself in position to get fired along with you because you want to go 6 & plucking 10 todd.. are we clear??"
I was just going to say the same thing, if this really is the arrangement, then the only solution is to let Bowles know that his decision to stick with Fitz will ultimately cost him his job. Mac may not have the authority to dictate roster decisions, but presumably he does have the authority to fire Todd Bowles or recommend it to Woody, who definitely does have the authority. So if they feel like Bowles is botching the QB decision and its hurting their prospects for 2017, Mac needs to drop the hammer on Bowles with Woody's approval, or Woody can do it himself ... and don't wait, do it right now so we can get Petty and/or Hack in there.
 

mykcuz

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I was just going to say the same thing, if this really is the arrangement, then the only solution is to let Bowles know that his decision to stick with Fitz will ultimately cost him his job. Mac may not have the authority to dictate roster decisions, but presumably he does have the authority to fire Todd Bowles or recommend it to Woody, who definitely does have the authority. So if they feel like Bowles is botching the QB decision and its hurting their prospects for 2017, Mac needs to drop the hammer on Bowles with Woody's approval, or Woody can do it himself ... and don't wait, do it right now so we can get Petty and/or Hack in there.
If anyone of these 3 guys had an issue worth Bowles handling of the qb, then they need to have a3 way meeting and discuss it. If Woody is ok moving to petty and record be damned, then Bowles should know that. Hopefully these guys have done this.

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