C J Spiller vs Harvin

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flgreen

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With Chan Gailey supposed to be coming as the OC brings up this question.

Gailey likes to use a spread passing attack. A lot of screens, and short passing. Get the ball to your play makers in space, and let them get the yards after the catch. Both Harvin and Spiller seem ideally suited for this role.

Gailey has worked with Spiller before in Buffalo. Spiller had some very productive years with Gailey.

Harvin, as we know, is a very explosive receiver. He also has a very explosive brain, and has been kicked off 2 teams so far. He was on good behavior last year because of his contract. He has already stated he won't take a pay cut. (of course he will, he just doesn't know it yet . Nobody is going to pay him 10.5 million.)

I would be very hesitant to give him a new contract, and new guaranteed money. Think we might get to see some "Tone" type behavior with the new contract.

Both players seem to be hurt a lot.

Who would you rather hare if both are selling for around 5-6 million? I'd rather go with Spiller.
 

Jets31

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They are both hurt a lot so they are pretty close to each other.

This. Can't we have both though?

Frankly no way in hell spiller gets 5-6 mil a year. You know he is a RB right? Guys don't get paid anymore especially one with as many question marks as he does.
 
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With Chan Gailey running offense, NY Jets could be the right fit for C.J. Spiller

The Jets averaged a run of at least 20 yards every 50 attempts this season. Spiller averages a 20-plus yard gain every 21 attempts in his five-year career.

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS /

Thursday, January 15, 2015, 10:49 PM


C.J. Spiller recalls his best years when Chan Gailey was with the Bills, and could see a reunion with Jets.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-spiller-good-jets-gailey-article-1.2080522

Chan Gailey isn’t officially on the Jets’ payroll yet, but he might be able to recruit one of the most coveted running backs on the open market this offseason.

Soon-to-be free agent C.J. Spiller would provide a dynamic game-breaking presence for Gailey, who has been targeted by new Jets head coach Todd Bowles to be the offensive coordinator.

Spiller, 27, had a breakout 2012 season in Buffalo under Gailey before getting lost in the Doug Marrone abyss the past two years. He racked up 1,703 total yards, eight touchdowns, 43 receptions and tied for a league-high 6.0 yards per carry in Gailey’s final season as Bills head coach.

Spiller would be the home-run threat in the Jets backfield that has been missing for years.

“There is that familiarity between me and him in that offense,” Spiller told the Daily News on Thursday. “So that would be a perfect match. Who knows what can happen, but I’d be foolish not to have those guys on my list. I had my best years in the league with Chan. So it’d be dumb not to give it serious thought.”

The Jets are desperate for difference makers. John Idzik signed Chris Johnson to be a big-play option in the backfield, but the former Titans star managed only 663 rushing yards this season. The Jets are expected to release Johnson, who is due $4 million in 2015, to clear a path for a game changer to team with Chris Ivory.

Ivory and Johnson combined for only five explosive runs (of at least 20 yards) in 353 attempts this season.

Spiller, who missed seven games with a broken collarbone, managed three runs of 20-plus yards on only 78 carries. The Jets averaged a run of at least 20 yards every 50 attempts this season. Spiller averages a 20-plus yard gain every 21 attempts in his five-year career.

Spiller, who has a career average of 5.0 yards per carry, is expected to be the most desirable free agent running back not named DeMarco Murray this offseason. The Jets have plenty of areas of need with more than $40 million in salary-cap space. New general manager Mike Maccagnan’s to-do list must include adding players with an explosive dimension. Spiller, undaunted by the intense spotlight in the biggest media market, fits the bill.

“I have thick skin,” Spiller said. “I don’t get sensitive to what’s said. I know what type of player I am. I know I can make plays in this league. It’s proven. It’s on tape.”

“I’m not going to let a big market or big city scare me away,” he added. “I grew up in a small town (Lake Butler, Fla.), but I can adapt very well to new environments.”

Spiller played his first three seasons for Gailey, whose flexibility and penchant for tailoring schemes to exploit mismatches by his best players was always a hit.

The Jets will find that out soon enough, Spiller said.

“When you look at guys on that roster, Chan’s going to find ways to get those guys the ball and move them around,” Spiller said. “That’s the thing that I love. He loves moving his guys around so they can keep defenses off balance.”

The Bills’ pedestrian offenses peaked with a sixth-ranked rushing attack in Spiller’s breakout 2012 season (1,244 rushing yards, six TDs). On the surface, the 63-year-old Gailey, who has been out of football for three of the past six seasons, including the past two, appears like an uninspiring choice to fix the league’s worst-ranked offense. Spiller, however, believes rust or age won’t be an issue.

“He’s not going to embarrass you,” Spiller said. “He’s going to treat you like an NFL player. He’s not going to baby you. He’s not going to treat you like you’re in college. He’s going to treat you like you’re a grown man. He’s going to give you respect.”

Spiller believes Gailey’s lessened load from head coach to offensive coordinator will only enhance the finished product. “In Buffalo, he had so much on his plate,” Spiller said. “I can only imagine the things that he’s going to be able to do now.”

Spiller admitted that he’ll formulate a detailed free agency plan in the coming weeks, but the Jets, who had the league’s third-ranked rushing attack in 2013, are intriguing with Gailey in the picture. Spiller is relatively fresh with only 668 career carries, or 1,074 fewer than Johnson when he signed a year ago.

Bills GM Doug Whaley told a local radio station on Thursday that Rex Ryan’s new team is “going to try to do our darnedest to get this guy in the fold and get him back,” but Spiller will explore all his options. Ryan’s old team might make the most sense.

“I want to be somewhere where I’m wanted,” Spiller said.

There’s no doubt Gailey will want him.
 

mykcuz

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I think the biggest factor with the run game, is that we need to draft a stud o line gut in the top two rounds, these late guys aren't developing, and mangos is only getting older
 

Elias

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I think the biggest factor with the run game, is that we need to draft a stud o line gut in the top two rounds, these late guys aren't developing, and mangos is only getting older

I agree. We need to help out Brick and Mangold before they breakdown. Mangold is already showing signs. We need to put solid guards on either side of him. That can only help us. Look at what a solid offensive line did for Tony Romo and the Cowboys.
 

Elias

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CJ Spiller has us on his list as a potential landing spot.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5566/cj-spiller

Impending free agent C.J. Spiller said he and the Jets "would be a perfect match."

"I’d be foolish not to have those guys on my list," said Spiller. "I had my best years in the league with [new Jets OC Chan Gailey]. So it’d be dumb not to give it serious thought." We agree with Spiller's assessment. The Jets should have an easy call to release Chris Johnson, and if they want to re-invest that money into another speed complement to Chris Ivory, then Spiller would be the perfect fit. Under Gailey in 2012, Spiller totaled 1,703 yards and eight touchdowns on 250 touches.
 
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Christa

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Why do we need C.J. Spiller if the Jets have Ivory? or even if the Jets resign Powell back? Powell is a complete back who can stay healthy and can pretty much do it all.

Spiller has not shown me anything other than that he's injury prone the last couple of years. I'm probably a minority that doesn't want Spiller, but you can find great RB's as UDFA's can even get a productive and possibly better back in the draft. Such as Todd Gurley, TJ Yeldon, Buck Allen, Ameer Adullah, Mike Davis, Melvin Gordon, Duke Johnson, etc..

If the Jets were a more complete team, I would consider signing him. However cap money is better spend elsewhere such as CB's, OL's, S, QB's and potential WR's if the Jets do decide to part ways with Harvin and go after ex: Thomas. Sorry, I don't believe in spending big money on RB's expectually since I've seen NFL teams have productive backs at a cheap cost.
 

Elias

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Why do we need C.J. Spiller if the Jets have Ivory? or even if the Jets resign Powell back? Powell is a complete back who can stay healthy and can pretty much do it all.

Spiller has not shown me anything other than that he's injury prone the last couple of years. I'm probably a minority that doesn't want Spiller, but you can find great RB's as UDFA's can even get a productive and possibly better back in the draft. Such as Todd Gurley, TJ Yeldon, Buck Allen, Ameer Adullah, Mike Davis, Melvin Gordon, Duke Johnson, etc..

If the Jets were a more complete team, I would consider signing him. However cap money is better spend elsewhere such as CB's, OL's, S, QB's and potential WR's if the Jets do decide to part ways with Harvin and go after ex: Thomas. Sorry, I don't believe in spending big money on RB's expectually since I've seen NFL teams have productive backs at a cheap cost.

Great post, I agree with your philosophy that big money shouldn't be spent on rbs unless they are special. CJ wouldn't command to much I think, and he's probably more of a game changer than Powell. He also returns kicks and is familiar with Chan's offense. He would be a good addition for the right money. I was against the CJ2K signing bc he was old and on the decline but I think we can have CJ at the prime of his career.

Having said all that, I am fine going into the season with Ivory and Powell but keep in mind that Ivory himself is known to be injury prone as well.
 
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Christa

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Great post, I agree with your philosophy that big money shouldn't be spent on rbs unless they are special. CJ wouldn't command to much I think, and he's probably more of a game changer than Powell. He also returns kicks and is familiar with Chan's offense. He would be a good addition for the right money. I was against the CJ2K signing bc he was old and on the decline but I think we can have CJ at the prime of his career.

Having said all that, I am fine going into the season with Ivory and Powell but keep in mind that Ivory himself is known to be injury prone as well.

Thank you, Eilas! Powell is reliable and I agree about Ivory. However he did show he can stay relatively healthy and was very productive for the Jets. I understand that Spiller is familiar with Chan's offense, however he just has not really shown me much the last couple of years. I just don't think signing a former first round pick from the Bills should be a priority, I think this draft has a lot of talented RB's available in the draft or potential great UDFA at RB.

I have to admit, I was kind of disappointed with Chris Johnson this year as well. I also part feel that the Jets did not use him right (Marty). Do not understand why almost every game he had Johnson run down the middle. Johnson is too small for that. running down the middle is for Ivory.
 

mykcuz

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If you are talking rb's, you're talking Demarco Murray, not spiller. honestly Powell can be our feature back with ivory as a change of pace. Staying the season 2 years ago Powell led the nfl in rushing through a couple weeks but didn't have the endurance to be an every down back.
 
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